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Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« on: April 09, 2012, 02:12:03 PM »
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2012, 02:18:26 PM »
Depends on their contents, IMO.

Orthodox: Easter eggs, jelly beans, caramels, kit kats and various other candy bars, peeps, dark milk chocolate bunnies
Semi-Orthodox: Easter eggs, jelly beans, caramels, kit kats and various other candy bars, peeps, hollow chocolate bunnies
Heretical:  Easter eggs, jelly beans, caramels, kit kats and various other candy bars, peeps, white chocolate bunnies
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 02:26:51 PM »
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Orthodox: Easter eggs, jelly beans, caramels, kit kats and various other candy bars, peeps, dark milk chocolate bunnies
Yum

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i-Orthodox: Easter eggs, jelly beans, caramels, kit kats and various other candy bars, peeps, hollow chocolate bunnies
Yum

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Heretical:  Easter eggs, jelly beans, caramels, kit kats and various other candy bars, peeps, white chocolate bunnies
Yum

Is outrage?

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 02:44:32 PM »
Is outrage?

Fear not! The Holy Chrism will wash away godless passion for heretical chocolate bunnies.

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2012, 02:49:07 PM »
Is outrage?

Fear not! The Holy Chrism will wash away godless passion for heretical chocolate bunnies.
Which is just a few days away! Less than a week of living in hollow chocolate sin!

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2012, 03:01:57 PM »
But semi-seriously now it seems like it's one of the things that crept into Orthodoxy, as you know, the neo-patristic revival would put it, with Petru Movila's Euchologion. Part and parcel with the heretical, Latin formula of absolution.  :o
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2012, 04:00:36 PM »
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2012, 04:16:20 PM »

All good things are of God.

Paska bread, eggs, kovbasa, candy, etc.....are all good things in my book....and God has provided them for us.
We wait for these items to be blessed and with the Grace of God upon them, we break our fast sharing these food items with friends and loved ones.  There's nothing godless here.


However, if your Easter basket contains only jelly beans, bunny's and video games.....then perhaps it is godless, in that the giver, and perhaps the receiver, of that basket forgot about God altogether....and thereby, that basket can be considered to be godless.
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 04:28:16 PM »
I hope I don't have to constantly remind the honorable members of this forum that I am not serious most of the times.

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2012, 04:30:47 PM »
I hope I don't have to constantly remind the honorable members of this forum that I am not serious most of the times.

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2012, 04:46:52 PM »

All good things are of God.

Paska bread, eggs, kovbasa, candy, etc.....are all good things in my book....and God has provided them for us.
We wait for these items to be blessed and with the Grace of God upon them, we break our fast sharing these food items with friends and loved ones.  There's nothing godless here.




And all the contents of the traditional Ukrainian basket brought to church to be blessed all have symbolic meanings.

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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2012, 04:50:45 PM »
My basket contains a nice assortment of wursts and cheeses, along with some bottles of fine beer.  Who needs chocolate and jelly beans . . .
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2012, 06:49:34 PM »
I don't have one of those basket things.   :-[ :'(
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2012, 07:01:51 PM »
My basket contains a nice assortment of wursts and cheeses, along with some bottles of fine beer. 
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2012, 07:22:08 PM »
I don't have one of those basket things.   :-[ :'(

The Dollar store sells them...  8)
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2012, 08:16:02 PM »
Heretical:  ... white chocolate bunnies

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2012, 08:55:09 PM »
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2012, 03:56:43 AM »
My basket contains a nice assortment of wursts and cheeses, along with some bottles of fine beer.

Is outrage! Our Lord used bread and wine, not beer and sausage!

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2012, 05:24:50 AM »
An Easter basket without samohon?!?  Liza's parish ain't really Ukrainian.  I'm always amused by the people slamming vodka right in front of the church on Easter.   

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2012, 10:42:21 AM »

...I just chose not to mention it!   ;)

Now here's the true innocent, spirit of Easter, reflected in the children enjoying the afternoon, gathering multi-colored eggs!

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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2012, 12:08:42 PM »
My basket contains a nice assortment of wursts and cheeses, along with some bottles of fine beer.

Is outrage! Our Lord used bread and wine, not beer and sausage!

I don't think that Our Lord walked around with a basket.  If I have to walk around with a basket, it will have to contain the above items to make it worth my while.
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2012, 12:19:26 PM »

All good things are of God.

Paska bread, eggs, kovbasa, candy, etc.....are all good things in my book....and God has provided them for us.
We wait for these items to be blessed and with the Grace of God upon them, we break our fast sharing these food items with friends and loved ones.  There's nothing godless here.


However, if your Easter basket contains only jelly beans, bunny's and video games.....then perhaps it is godless, in that the giver, and perhaps the receiver, of that basket forgot about God altogether....and thereby, that basket can be considered to be godless.

how are jelly beans and video games (depending on content) more godless than eggs, other candy and kovbasa?
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2012, 12:20:16 PM »
Is outrage?

Fear not! The Holy Chrism will wash away godless passion for heretical chocolate bunnies.
I like to bite their heads off.
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2012, 12:31:15 PM »
An Easter basket without samohon?!?  Liza's parish ain't really Ukrainian.  I'm always amused by the people slamming vodka right in front of the church on Easter.   

You may not be aware of this, but moonshine is made and sold legitimately in the States. Couple of brands to come to mind are "Georgia Moon Corn Whiskey" and "White Dog - Mash #1" by a respected bourbon maker, Buffalo Trace.

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2012, 12:37:36 PM »

All good things are of God.

Paska bread, eggs, kovbasa, candy, etc.....are all good things in my book....and God has provided them for us.
We wait for these items to be blessed and with the Grace of God upon them, we break our fast sharing these food items with friends and loved ones.  There's nothing godless here.


However, if your Easter basket contains only jelly beans, bunny's and video games.....then perhaps it is godless, in that the giver, and perhaps the receiver, of that basket forgot about God altogether....and thereby, that basket can be considered to be godless.

how are jelly beans and video games (depending on content) more godless than eggs, other candy and kovbasa?

Well....because the items that are placed in a Paschal basket, brought to church and blessed....are meant as a way to "break" our fast together as one family - this being our physical family, our parish family and those who have departed.  This is VERY God-like.  We fasted to become closer to God, and we therefore, break our fast with items blessed by God - which our to our salvation, not our determent.

Now, the jelly bean, video game, barbie doll, etc..."Easter" baskets....never make it to church....God is often not even mentioned, thought of, or meant to be a part of these baskets....they are simply "fun".  Many non-Christians even make and give baskets of this nature.  The jelly beans, while food, are not meant to "break a fast"...only to feed the passions.  Granted I LOVE jellybeans...and also put them in my basket (because I am NOT perfect)....and the video games only serve to brainwash our kids' minds...where they love "gaming" more than God....and it becomes a false god to them, an idol of sorts...which is against the Commandment of making no false gods.

Therefore, the two baskets, while both considered "Easter" baskets have completely different meanings and goals behind them.  :)

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2012, 07:24:22 PM »
Heretical:  ... white chocolate bunnies

 :-[

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Actually, come to think of it, consider my stomach as eternal damnation for the heretical bunnies!  :angel:
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2012, 07:38:05 PM »

All good things are of God.

Paska bread, eggs, kovbasa, candy, etc.....are all good things in my book....and God has provided them for us.
We wait for these items to be blessed and with the Grace of God upon them, we break our fast sharing these food items with friends and loved ones.  There's nothing godless here.


However, if your Easter basket contains only jelly beans, bunny's and video games.....then perhaps it is godless, in that the giver, and perhaps the receiver, of that basket forgot about God altogether....and thereby, that basket can be considered to be godless.

how are jelly beans and video games (depending on content) more godless than eggs, other candy and kovbasa?

Well....because the items that are placed in a Paschal basket, brought to church and blessed....are meant as a way to "break" our fast together as one family - this being our physical family, our parish family and those who have departed.  This is VERY God-like.  We fasted to become closer to God, and we therefore, break our fast with items blessed by God - which our to our salvation, not our determent.

Now, the jelly bean, video game, barbie doll, etc..."Easter" baskets....never make it to church....
Ours always did.  Though, having boys, we never had barbie dolls.

God is often not even mentioned, thought of, or meant to be a part of these baskets....they are simply "fun".  Many non-Christians even make and give baskets of this nature.  The jelly beans, while food, are not meant to "break a fast"...only to feed the passions.  Granted I LOVE jellybeans...and also put them in my basket (because I am NOT perfect)....and the video games only serve to brainwash our kids' minds...where they love "gaming" more than God....and it becomes a false god to them, an idol of sorts...which is against the Commandment of making no false gods.

Therefore, the two baskets, while both considered "Easter" baskets have completely different meanings and goals behind them.  :)
Though the idea of two baskets is fine, I still dispute that one is categorically in one or the other, although I hate jelly beans.
Many non-Christians have baskets with sausage, cheese, sweet bread etc. You can go to Swiss Farm and get them, no confession of faith necessary.
Even the idea of fasting does not distinguish: many don't watch videos, play video games, or listen to the radio during Great Lent.
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2012, 09:28:41 PM »

Yes....but, the main difference between the two types of baskets are 1) People who celebrate the risen Lord, 2) People who celebrate the Easter bunny.

This is the same with Christmas.  Folks exchange gifts, but, never go to church....and just like the cuteness of the holiday celebration...never mentioning, or even thinking about the birth of Christ.

I've put games and toys in baskets for the kids....but, that is not the MAIN Easter basket that went to church and got blessed.  That was simply for fun....after everyone got a couple of hours of sleep after being in church all night and morning.

Christ's Resurrection was celebrated....and THEN did the games begin.
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2012, 10:32:48 PM »
i dont have enough money to make an easter basket...i would inevitably spend at least 20 bucks...i think i will just head home and grab a big mac...lol

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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2012, 10:52:54 PM »

Yes....but, the main difference between the two types of baskets are 1) People who celebrate the risen Lord, 2) People who celebrate the Easter bunny.
You are putting the difference into the baskets.

This is the same with Christmas.  Folks exchange gifts, but, never go to church....and just like the cuteness of the holiday celebration...never mentioning, or even thinking about the birth of Christ.
Yes, again the holiday baskets from Swiss Valley.  Not a material difference, just one you make.

I've put games and toys in baskets for the kids....but, that is not the MAIN Easter basket that went to church and got blessed.  That was simply for fun....after everyone got a couple of hours of sleep after being in church all night and morning.

Christ's Resurrection was celebrated....and THEN did the games begin.
Is there a canon against toys?
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2012, 11:06:49 PM »

I'm really find it hard to believe you aren't grasping my meaning.

My point in the difference is not so much the basket or what is in it, as it is a secular approach to Easter versus a spiritual one.
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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2012, 11:11:46 PM »
Could we put an end to this disagreement if the video game in the basket was Left Behind?





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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2012, 11:13:37 PM »
A bunch of guys checking out each other's baskets. hmmm..
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2012, 02:48:20 AM »

I'm really find it hard to believe you aren't grasping my meaning.

My point in the difference is not so much the basket or what is in it, as it is a secular approach to Easter versus a spiritual one.

If it's traditional Ukrainian, it's spiritual.  That's the only meaning I've come up with.  Candy or video games are a great thing for children to give up during lent to introduce the concept of fasting.  I'm not even sure our basket will have salo in it this year - my wife and I enjoyed lent so much that we're thinking of becoming pesco-vegetarians.  I'm not sure how everyone else would react if we put some pickled herring in our basket  :D 


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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2012, 03:07:29 AM »
An Easter basket without samohon?!?  Liza's parish ain't really Ukrainian.  I'm always amused by the people slamming vodka right in front of the church on Easter.   

You may not be aware of this, but moonshine is made and sold legitimately in the States. Couple of brands to come to mind are "Georgia Moon Corn Whiskey" and "White Dog - Mash #1" by a respected bourbon maker, Buffalo Trace.

Your post has single-handedly restored my faith in America  :)

I'd imagine the taste is a bit different than Ukrainian moonshine since corn in the main ingredient in the American version.  Here the best moonshines are made mostly from wheat.  The problem with moonshine and vodka is that there isn't a great deal of food that goes well with it.  Pickled herring on rye bread and salo with raw hunks of garlic are about it.   

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Re: Pascha baskets are a godless Latinization
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2012, 05:21:35 AM »
Is there a canon against toys?

Are toys food?

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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2012, 04:13:03 PM »
Is there a canon against toys?
only against toy cannons.
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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2012, 04:50:19 PM »
Is there a canon against toys?

Are toys food?
As far as I am concerned, neither are eggs.
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