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Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?

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Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« on: April 07, 2012, 11:11:19 PM »
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2012, 11:23:25 PM »
I pick and choose, just like the Fathers on Athos.

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2012, 11:24:16 PM »
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2012, 11:30:31 PM »
Your first option is excessive, the other four are all pretty much the same.  I would not consider myself 'Hyperdox' but I do consider myself serious.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2012, 11:43:51 PM »
Your first option is excessive, the other four are all pretty much the same.  I would not consider myself 'Hyperdox' but I do consider myself serious.

basically isn't good?

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2012, 11:53:19 PM »
I hinted at this on another thread, but to expand a bit...

- Authorities: How seriously I take Christian authorities (sacred texts, iconography, etc.) varies, but for the most part I try to respect their integrity.

- General Ideas: I take the general concepts (free will, divinity, etc.) grappled with in Christianity very seriously... much more seriously than I would take any one authority (e.g. the Bible), which are merely tools.

- Specified Doctrines/Dogmas: I take these (trinity, two natures, etc.) less seriously than the general concepts, but still try to approach them with respect.

- Theories: what might be considered fringe ideas or theologoumena; how seriously I take them varies widely. Some I don't think much of (to be kind), others I think are more theologically sound than the standard/mainstream Orthodox answer.

- People: I respect people and take them seriously if they are sincere and/or knowledgable. However, I often make jokes, and one of the reasons is that people are usually wrong to some extent. I think it's a mistake to take ourselves too seriously, or our understanding too seriously. If we constantly spoke of serious things in a serious manner we would become full of ourselves IMO. Or perhaps it's just that I have often let myself get a big head, and want to try to avoid it. One of those.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2012, 11:57:45 PM »
how about living the christian (orthodox) life in general?

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2012, 12:01:04 AM »
how about living the christian (orthodox) life in general?

When I'm Orthodox I take it very seriously, too seriously really. When I'm not Orthodox... I guess I think it has some good ideas to live by, but on the whole I don't see a point in living like an Orthodox if you aren't actually Orthodox...
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2012, 12:04:15 AM »
how about living the christian (orthodox) life in general?

When I'm Orthodox I take it very seriously, too seriously really. When I'm not Orthodox... I guess I think it has some good ideas to live by, but on the whole I don't see a point in living like an Orthodox if you aren't actually Orthodox...

What about general christian virtues and principles of moral thought and action? This is the aspect that interests me the most of anything.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2012, 12:10:26 AM »
how about living the christian (orthodox) life in general?

When I'm Orthodox I take it very seriously, too seriously really. When I'm not Orthodox... I guess I think it has some good ideas to live by, but on the whole I don't see a point in living like an Orthodox if you aren't actually Orthodox...

What about general christian virtues and principles of moral thought and action? This is the aspect that interests me the most of anything.

Not sure. I was chrismated over 10 years ago, and I still find my approach to be a mixed bag, even when I'm trying my hardest to be Orthodox. One thing I have an issue with is the general approach to homosexuality. Other things I have an opposite view of and try to follow regardless of my ecclesiastical status, such as the concept that you should do the right thing even if it costs you greatly (even to the point of death). Then yet other things are in the middle, such as what to do about lust.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2012, 12:15:45 AM »
I'm your average Hyperdox Herman, considering that I am a new convert and from what I have heard and experienced, we are usually like this our first year.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2012, 12:36:47 AM »

Is this a "serious" question, "Do we take Orthodoxy seriously"?

If you don't take it "seriously", than you aren't truly Orthodoxy, are you?

The Church is not a game, nor is it a local super market where you can pick and choose what you put in your cart.

IF you are having an issue with one particular aspect, I would venture to say that you don't completely understand the "why" behind it.

Personally, I take my Faith completely seriously - the whole kit and caboodle!  :)

Now, does that mean that I am the perfect Orthodox Christian?  Not by a long shot!!!! 

However, just because I fall short of the mark, doesn't mean that I should question the Church or her dogmas, beliefs, rules, doctrines, etc.

The problem is NOT with the Church, it is with me, and my weakness.


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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2012, 12:51:15 AM »
I pick and choose, just like the Fathers on Athos.

 Mhm. I'll need to see something that backs this assertion up if you please. 
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2012, 12:56:17 AM »
I'm your average Hyperdox Herman, considering that I am a new convert and from what I have heard and experienced, we are usually like this our first year.

i should have made that my first poll option

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 12:58:30 AM »
I'm your average Hyperdox Herman, considering that I am a new convert and from what I have heard and experienced, we are usually like this our first year.

Not all of us. Even when we were catechumens.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2012, 01:37:21 AM »
As long as it doesn't mean that I have to know what I'm talking about or doing, then yes, I take Orthodoxy seriously. In my daily practice, it's more about setting a prayer rule and sticking to it, fasting, blahblahblahblah than...I don't know...memorizing canons to throw in other people's faces or something. I guess I'm not that type of serious. I try to learn that stuff because I'm a dummy so I'm impressed when people can rattle off stuff like "as St. X wrote in his 'A Disputation Against the Pnevnophlebotomists' in 4 AD...", but I can't help but feel like that's not a very good reason to learn that stuff. It kind of takes away from the more simple and immediately relatable stuff mentioned earlier.

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2012, 02:03:00 AM »
how about living the christian (orthodox) life in general?

When I'm Orthodox I take it very seriously, too seriously really. When I'm not Orthodox... I guess I think it has some good ideas to live by, but on the whole I don't see a point in living like an Orthodox if you aren't actually Orthodox...

What about general christian virtues and principles of moral thought and action? This is the aspect that interests me the most of anything.


Personally, I think those are the least interesting things about Orthodoxy. I don't see a significant difference between Orthodox morality and that of most other mainstream Christian faiths (speaking collectively, not about individual denominations).

The important difference, regarding virtues and morality, is in its intent. Too often I hear secular minded people espousing support for Christianity because it 'produces moral behavior' or 'good citizens'. This moral behavior is seen as the end product of Christianity. Or, conversely, condemning Christianity because Christian morals preclude behavior which they view as acceptable, or at least not detrimental to society.

But, morality is not the goal of Christianity, nor is it to produce good citizens, although those are worthwhile side benefits. The virtues and moral behaviors Orthodox Christians are called to are merely necessary stepping stones to the single goal of Christianity; Theosis; being united to God.

If a person has no interest in this union, what does their behavior matter, so long as it does not harm others? If one wants seek this union, then they must adapt their behavior accordingly (or, at least strive to, and pray like mad for Grace!).

Anyway, that's how I see it. I'm typing this at the end of a long, eventful day. Hope I'm being at least halfway coherent. I chose "basically" since it was one step down from 'too serious'. "Serious but falling short" would be my pick if it was up there.



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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2012, 03:28:23 AM »

Is this a "serious" question, "Do we take Orthodoxy seriously"?

If you don't take it "seriously", than you aren't truly Orthodoxy, are you?

The Church is not a game, nor is it a local super market where you can pick and choose what you put in your cart.

IF you are having an issue with one particular aspect, I would venture to say that you don't completely understand the "why" behind it.

Personally, I take my Faith completely seriously - the whole kit and caboodle!  :)

Now, does that mean that I am the perfect Orthodox Christian?  Not by a long shot!!!! 

However, just because I fall short of the mark, doesn't mean that I should question the Church or her dogmas, beliefs, rules, doctrines, etc.

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2012, 03:35:25 AM »
Mostly I try to not to take anything too seriously.

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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2012, 04:29:49 AM »
Yes, I take all of what our Holy Orthodoxy offers us seriously, but I don't mean to imply that my practice reflects that belief.
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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2012, 12:56:00 PM »
It depends on what part of "Orthodoxy" you are discussing.

I was raised in a Christian Church and have worshiped the Christian God all of my life.  I converted to Orthodoxy based on certain theological principles that I take dead serious, serious enough to split from my family and friends (as many converts here have).  As to "living the Christian Life", I saw more of that in the Protestant Churches that I attended, so I do not take that aspect of Orthodoxy at all seriously.  Fasting and long prayers are of no use when they do not spur you on to serve your fellow man.  Likewise the plethora of pious customs that have become "Tradition", but not followed by all Orthodox.  Same with the Councils.  The decrees and theology of the Seven Pillars of Christianity I take dead serious.  The various canons that seem to be entirely optional when it is convenient for a certain Bishop to not want to follow them I take as seriously as those Bishops who do not want to follow them.  So, I had a hard time answering that question.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2012, 01:08:20 PM »
Without quibbling about what you mean by "Orthodoxy"...

I take Orthodoxy seriously. I do not take seriously Netodoxy or Hyperdoxy (twin cousins, I hear).

From another angle: I am very pious on the inside.

From another angle, this:

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As to "living the Christian Life", I saw more of that in the Protestant Churches that I attended, so I do not take that aspect of Orthodoxy at all seriously.  Fasting and long prayers are of no use when they do not spur you on to serve your fellow man.  Likewise the plethora of pious customs that have become "Tradition", but not followed by all Orthodox.  Same with the Councils.  The decrees and theology of the Seven Pillars of Christianity I take dead serious.  The various canons that seem to be entirely optional when it is convenient for a certain Bishop to not want to follow them I take as seriously as those Bishops who do not want to follow them.  So, I had a hard time answering that question.

From another angle: Orthodoxy helps me sleep easy at night, instead of sitting up late drinking my 13th beer and sweating about going to Hell. The language of healing I have heard in the Church has always resonated with me. I take that seriously.

I could go on, but I fear I would only muddy the waters.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2012, 01:19:52 PM »
It depends on what part of "Orthodoxy" you are discussing.

I was raised in a Christian Church and have worshiped the Christian God all of my life.  I converted to Orthodoxy based on certain theological principles that I take dead serious, serious enough to split from my family and friends (as many converts here have).  As to "living the Christian Life", I saw more of that in the Protestant Churches that I attended, so I do not take that aspect of Orthodoxy at all seriously.  Fasting and long prayers are of no use when they do not spur you on to serve your fellow man.  Likewise the plethora of pious customs that have become "Tradition", but not followed by all Orthodox.  Same with the Councils.  The decrees and theology of the Seven Pillars of Christianity I take dead serious.  The various canons that seem to be entirely optional when it is convenient for a certain Bishop to not want to follow them I take as seriously as those Bishops who do not want to follow them.  So, I had a hard time answering that question.

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2012, 01:42:36 PM »
Orthodoxy or death!
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2012, 01:56:00 PM »
For some reason this thread reminds me of Rev 3:14-19.



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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2012, 02:01:43 PM »
I'm scared to take Orthodoxy seriously in case people think I'm weird. I was so embarrassed when a family friend asked my mom where I was one Wednesday night and she answered by saying "at a Presanctified liturgy" instead of just saying "at church."  :-[
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2012, 02:04:29 PM »
As to "living the Christian Life", I saw more of that in the Protestant Churches that I attended, so I do not take that aspect of Orthodoxy at all seriously.

I don't understand this. Other people aren't doing it, so you're not going to try to, either? I hope I've got you wrong here.

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I'm scared to take Orthodoxy seriously in case people think I'm weird.

Reminds me of St. Anthony the Great telling us that a time will come when everyone will be crazy but we will be looked at as the crazy ones for not being like them. It's life, I guess.

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2012, 02:13:27 PM »

Is this a "serious" question, "Do we take Orthodoxy seriously"?

If you don't take it "seriously", than you aren't truly Orthodoxy, are you?

The Church is not a game, nor is it a local super market where you can pick and choose what you put in your cart.

IF you are having an issue with one particular aspect, I would venture to say that you don't completely understand the "why" behind it.

Personally, I take my Faith completely seriously - the whole kit and caboodle!  :)

Now, does that mean that I am the perfect Orthodox Christian?  Not by a long shot!!!! 

However, just because I fall short of the mark, doesn't mean that I should question the Church or her dogmas, beliefs, rules, doctrines, etc.

The problem is NOT with the Church, it is with me, and my weakness.




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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2012, 02:14:52 PM »

Is this a "serious" question, "Do we take Orthodoxy seriously"?

If you don't take it "seriously", than you aren't truly Orthodoxy, are you?

The Church is not a game, nor is it a local super market where you can pick and choose what you put in your cart.

IF you are having an issue with one particular aspect, I would venture to say that you don't completely understand the "why" behind it.

Personally, I take my Faith completely seriously - the whole kit and caboodle!  :)

Now, does that mean that I am the perfect Orthodox Christian?  Not by a long shot!!!! 

However, just because I fall short of the mark, doesn't mean that I should question the Church or her dogmas, beliefs, rules, doctrines, etc.

The problem is NOT with the Church, it is with me, and my weakness.




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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2012, 02:16:34 PM »
Do I take Orthodoxy seriously?

I am trying to.  :angel:
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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2012, 02:26:01 PM »
As to "living the Christian Life", I saw more of that in the Protestant Churches that I attended, so I do not take that aspect of Orthodoxy at all seriously.

I don't understand this. Other people aren't doing it, so you're not going to try to, either? I hope I've got you wrong here.

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I'm scared to take Orthodoxy seriously in case people think I'm weird.

Reminds me of St. Anthony the Great telling us that a time will come when everyone will be crazy but we will be looked at as the crazy ones for not being like them. It's life, I guess.

Ya, what's up with that?  ??? Punch, explain yourself! ;)

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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2012, 03:54:06 PM »
As to "living the Christian Life", I saw more of that in the Protestant Churches that I attended, so I do not take that aspect of Orthodoxy at all seriously.

I don't understand this. Other people aren't doing it, so you're not going to try to, either? I hope I've got you wrong here.

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I'm scared to take Orthodoxy seriously in case people think I'm weird.

Reminds me of St. Anthony the Great telling us that a time will come when everyone will be crazy but we will be looked at as the crazy ones for not being like them. It's life, I guess.

Not quite sure what you are talking about.  No, I am NOT going to try to be like they are, or do you think that I should?  I am going to try to be like the Orthodoxy that I read about, not what I see.  Not that I succeed much.  But I do at least try.  Does this make it clearer?
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2012, 04:01:27 PM »
I'm not sure I understand you. I take it from your subsequent explanation that you mean to say you actually do take living a Christian life seriously? In that you won't follow the majority of Orthodox that you know who do not take it seriously. I agree, but I read your other post as saying essentially the opposite. My apologies.

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2012, 04:10:19 PM »
For some reason this thread reminds me of Rev 3:14-19.

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2012, 04:24:32 PM »
The faith and sacraments I take dead serious.

Practices like fasting and metanies I take semi-serious- I fast however my current parish/jurisdiction fasts and don't stress about Russians eating fish or what have you, and I obey just enough of the pious practice so as not to draw attention to myself without asserting anything foreign to the parish.

Ecclesiastical politics and inter-jurisdiction debates I take about as seriously as a hit of nitrous oxide.
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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2012, 04:58:50 PM »
Sometimes I don't understand things.
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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2012, 04:59:30 PM »
Quit breaking the internet with all your scrolly, starry nonsense, you nerds.

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2012, 05:10:27 PM »
Where is the "yes seriously but not seriously enough" option?

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2012, 05:14:33 PM »
Where is the "yes seriously but not seriously enough" option?

you just made it... ;)

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2012, 05:16:46 PM »
Sometimes I don't understand things.

in this thread, or in Orthodoxy in general?

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2012, 05:23:59 PM »
Where is the "yes seriously but not seriously enough" option?

you just made it... ;)

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Re: Do you take Orthodoxy seriously?
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2012, 05:32:29 PM »
If I asked "do you Orthodoxy as a way of life seriously" would your response be any different? Does that any different meaning/connotation to you?