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« on: March 31, 2012, 03:27:57 PM »

(ROAA) - On March 29, 2012, the Canadian Conference of Orthodox Bishops had a meeting at the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto. On the agenda were the reports of the dialogue with the Catholic Bishops, pastoral, canonical and liturgical issues, a Directory of all Canonical Orthodox Hierarchs, jurisdictions and parishes. It was discussed the update on the petition addressed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to approve the constituency of the Assembly of Orthodox Bishops of Canada. There were also discussed plans for joint-ministry and fraternal cooperation in the future. An important topic was the discussion of the situation of persecuted Christians in the World and the position of the Orthodox in Canada...
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 10:02:03 AM »

The following is the real source of the article:
http://www.romarch.org/news.php?id=3253

Should we make this a policy: to cite the original source of an article and not someone's blog?
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 12:50:18 PM »

(ROAA) - On March 29, 2012, the Canadian Conference of Orthodox Bishops had a meeting at the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto. On the agenda were the reports of the dialogue with the Catholic Bishops, pastoral, canonical and liturgical issues, a Directory of all Canonical Orthodox Hierarchs, jurisdictions and parishes. It was discussed the update on the petition addressed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to approve the constituency of the Assembly of Orthodox Bishops of Canada. There were also discussed plans for joint-ministry and fraternal cooperation in the future. An important topic was the discussion of the situation of persecuted Christians in the World and the position of the Orthodox in Canada...
This takes this long?
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 01:11:03 PM »

(ROAA) - On March 29, 2012, the Canadian Conference of Orthodox Bishops had a meeting at the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto. On the agenda were the reports of the dialogue with the Catholic Bishops, pastoral, canonical and liturgical issues, a Directory of all Canonical Orthodox Hierarchs, jurisdictions and parishes. It was discussed the update on the petition addressed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to approve the constituency of the Assembly of Orthodox Bishops of Canada. There were also discussed plans for joint-ministry and fraternal cooperation in the future. An important topic was the discussion of the situation of persecuted Christians in the World and the position of the Orthodox in Canada...
This takes this long?
Yes, of course. Communications take a while in the more-or-less-frozen north. You have to wait for winter to set in (too late for this year) so the dog sleds can cross the rivers.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 01:16:54 PM »

(ROAA) - On March 29, 2012, the Canadian Conference of Orthodox Bishops had a meeting at the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto. On the agenda were the reports of the dialogue with the Catholic Bishops, pastoral, canonical and liturgical issues, a Directory of all Canonical Orthodox Hierarchs, jurisdictions and parishes. It was discussed the update on the petition addressed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to approve the constituency of the Assembly of Orthodox Bishops of Canada. There were also discussed plans for joint-ministry and fraternal cooperation in the future. An important topic was the discussion of the situation of persecuted Christians in the World and the position of the Orthodox in Canada...
This takes this long?

Actually it is taking a long time because Patriarch Bartholomew does not want to make this decision without consultation with the other Orthodox mother churches. The regions were decided by the whole church and not just the Patriarchate of Constantinople so any change needs to be made by the same process. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 01:26:24 PM »

(ROAA) - On March 29, 2012, the Canadian Conference of Orthodox Bishops had a meeting at the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto. On the agenda were the reports of the dialogue with the Catholic Bishops, pastoral, canonical and liturgical issues, a Directory of all Canonical Orthodox Hierarchs, jurisdictions and parishes. It was discussed the update on the petition addressed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to approve the constituency of the Assembly of Orthodox Bishops of Canada. There were also discussed plans for joint-ministry and fraternal cooperation in the future. An important topic was the discussion of the situation of persecuted Christians in the World and the position of the Orthodox in Canada...
This takes this long?

Actually it is taking a long time because Patriarch Bartholomew does not want to make this decision without consultation with the other Orthodox mother churches. The regions were decided by the whole church and not just the Patriarchate of Constantinople so any change needs to be made by the same process. 
Maybe HAH can consult with Met. Jonah this time, in whose jurisdiction Canada lays:
http://oca.org/history-archives/tomos-of-autocephaly
Ordinances of the Northwest Territories, Canada
http://books.google.com/books?id=9l4vAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA183&dq=%22successors+in+office+having+iurisdiction+over+the+said+church+in+Canada%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=X-F5T7DwCOSU0QHC8ZTIDQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22successors%20in%20office%20having%20iurisdiction%20over%20the%20said%20church%20in%20Canada%22&f=false
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 11:11:22 PM »

(ROAA) - On March 29, 2012, the Canadian Conference of Orthodox Bishops had a meeting at the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto. On the agenda were the reports of the dialogue with the Catholic Bishops, pastoral, canonical and liturgical issues, a Directory of all Canonical Orthodox Hierarchs, jurisdictions and parishes. It was discussed the update on the petition addressed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to approve the constituency of the Assembly of Orthodox Bishops of Canada. There were also discussed plans for joint-ministry and fraternal cooperation in the future. An important topic was the discussion of the situation of persecuted Christians in the World and the position of the Orthodox in Canada...
This takes this long?

Actually it is taking a long time because Patriarch Bartholomew does not want to make this decision without consultation with the other Orthodox mother churches. The regions were decided by the whole church and not just the Patriarchate of Constantinople so any change needs to be made by the same process. 

The Canadian bishops agreed to this course of action back at the first North American Episcopal Assembly--it's coming up on two years. Even carrier pigeons aren't that slow!
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2012, 12:18:08 AM »

(ROAA) - On March 29, 2012, the Canadian Conference of Orthodox Bishops had a meeting at the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto. On the agenda were the reports of the dialogue with the Catholic Bishops, pastoral, canonical and liturgical issues, a Directory of all Canonical Orthodox Hierarchs, jurisdictions and parishes. It was discussed the update on the petition addressed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to approve the constituency of the Assembly of Orthodox Bishops of Canada. There were also discussed plans for joint-ministry and fraternal cooperation in the future. An important topic was the discussion of the situation of persecuted Christians in the World and the position of the Orthodox in Canada...
This takes this long?

Actually it is taking a long time because Patriarch Bartholomew does not want to make this decision without consultation with the other Orthodox mother churches. The regions were decided by the whole church and not just the Patriarchate of Constantinople so any change needs to be made by the same process.  

The Canadian bishops agreed to this course of action back at the first North American Episcopal Assembly--it's coming up on two years. Even carrier pigeons aren't that slow!
The EP is in constant contact with the branches of the Greek Church (Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Cyprus, CoG).  The Church of Albania is in constant contact with the EP and the CoG.  Constantinople, Antioch, Moscow, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania and the OCA are on the proposed Canadian EA, at least according to the Chambesy accords, and according to the same accords should have already decided this issue.  Constantinople has a jurisdiction in the Canada whose homelands are the Czech Lands and Slovakia, and also in the American ACOBNCA where it is joined by another jurisdiction whose homeland is in Albania (whose roots are in the OCA), and whose bishop was present at this meeting.

That leaves Georgia and Poland.  The EA in South America had a problem with the Polish, and the EP took 1504 years to recognize Georgia's autocephaly.  It has to speed things up.

There is no reason for this to not to be a done deal, except that I suspect that Met. Soter would rather be through with the OCA, and the Phanar would like to redirect the Chambasy towards its goal of having its canon 28 myth adopted, and the other Churches are refusing to go along to get along on on both issues.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2012, 02:57:04 AM »

(ROAA) - On March 29, 2012, the Canadian Conference of Orthodox Bishops had a meeting at the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto. On the agenda were the reports of the dialogue with the Catholic Bishops, pastoral, canonical and liturgical issues, a Directory of all Canonical Orthodox Hierarchs, jurisdictions and parishes. It was discussed the update on the petition addressed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to approve the constituency of the Assembly of Orthodox Bishops of Canada. There were also discussed plans for joint-ministry and fraternal cooperation in the future. An important topic was the discussion of the situation of persecuted Christians in the World and the position of the Orthodox in Canada...
This takes this long?

Actually it is taking a long time because Patriarch Bartholomew does not want to make this decision without consultation with the other Orthodox mother churches. The regions were decided by the whole church and not just the Patriarchate of Constantinople so any change needs to be made by the same process.  

The Canadian bishops agreed to this course of action back at the first North American Episcopal Assembly--it's coming up on two years. Even carrier pigeons aren't that slow!
The EP is in constant contact with the branches of the Greek Church (Constantinople, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Cyprus, CoG).  The Church of Albania is in constant contact with the EP and the CoG.  Constantinople, Antioch, Moscow, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania and the OCA are on the proposed Canadian EA, at least according to the Chambesy accords, and according to the same accords should have already decided this issue.  Constantinople has a jurisdiction in the Canada whose homelands are the Czech Lands and Slovakia, and also in the American ACOBNCA where it is joined by another jurisdiction whose homeland is in Albania (whose roots are in the OCA), and whose bishop was present at this meeting.

That leaves Georgia and Poland.  The EA in South America had a problem with the Polish, and the EP took 1504 years to recognize Georgia's autocephaly.  It has to speed things up.

There is no reason for this to not to be a done deal, except that I suspect that Met. Soter would rather be through with the OCA, and the Phanar would like to redirect the Chambasy towards its goal of having its canon 28 myth adopted, and the other Churches are refusing to go along to get along on on both issues.

If I was to deal in idle speculation, I would imagine that the Slavs who dominate out here in the west don't want to get close and present a united front to the Greeks who dominate out east. Of course, I admit that is a rather simplistic generalisation, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was accurate.

I feel things should/could be moving much faster...a website, a joint statement here or there (especially with the upcoming personhood debate in Parliament), finding common ground on some issues.

Church politics aside, I think actual unity will be easy--especially here in the West. Find a new bishop or two to lessen the load, establish an agreement for parishes to retain the local traditions, culture, and language (with the intention of gradually increasing English content) and voila. But alas, we are held up by Ontario, who can't seem to get their ducks in a row. Story of Canadian life.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 04:06:11 AM »

Sometimes I wonder... do Orthodox bishops know what Skype is? I wonder just how many of these things could be resolved if they could just set up a video conference call every other week instead of oh-so-slowly going through interminable sequences of "preparatory committees" and subcommittees of committees formed from the undersynod of the archdiocese of the EP to study the concordance agreement of the EP with the MP that a council is needed to agree on procedures for granting autocephaly in the future with regards to developing a framework for the solution of the North American situation with a possible unification in a single North American Church by the year 2936 A.D.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2012, 04:37:52 AM »

Sometimes I wonder... do Orthodox bishops know what Skype is? I wonder just how many of these things could be resolved if they could just set up a video conference call every other week instead of oh-so-slowly going through interminable sequences of "preparatory committees" and subcommittees of committees formed from the undersynod of the archdiocese of the EP to study the concordance agreement of the EP with the MP that a council is needed to agree on procedures for granting autocephaly in the future with regards to developing a framework for the solution of the North American situation with a possible unification in a single North American Church by the year 2936 A.D.

Several hierarchs are on Skype, and I'm told it is precisely to facilitate such meetings.
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