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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #720 on: April 22, 2012, 01:11:57 PM »
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I have been away for a few days, and now I am lost...!

What happened here  ???
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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #721 on: April 22, 2012, 01:12:37 PM »
I have been away for a few days, and now I am lost...!

What happened here  ???

You don't want to know.   :'( :'(
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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #722 on: April 22, 2012, 01:18:28 PM »
Χριστος ανεστη.

I have been away for a few days, and now I am lost...!

What happened here  ???

That which happens to all too many threads on this forum, I'm afraid.  :(

But...be of good cheer...

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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #723 on: April 22, 2012, 01:26:05 PM »
I genuinely don't get it. You're told that only people who consciously reject Orthodoxy are heretics or apostates (a la reply 702) but then when you use those terms in that context to make a theological point you're somehow still using them wrong. Weird how that works.  ???

On topic: looks like Orthodoxy is pretty open to reuniting if you can now leave her without consequence.
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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #724 on: April 22, 2012, 01:57:32 PM »
I genuinely don't get it. You're told that only people who consciously reject Orthodoxy are heretics or apostates (a la reply 702) but then when you use those terms in that context to make a theological point you're somehow still using them wrong. Weird how that works.  ???

On topic: looks like Orthodoxy is pretty open to reuniting if you can now leave her without consequence.

Depends on where you are "looking" from.

What is there we do in this life that is "without consequence"?
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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #725 on: April 22, 2012, 02:29:53 PM »
On topic: looks like Orthodoxy is pretty open to reuniting if you can now leave her without consequence.

I've never heard of such a situation.  ???

Can an ex-Orthodox Christian still receive communion? If they can't, then that sounds like a "consequence" to me.
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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #726 on: April 22, 2012, 02:52:14 PM »
Can an ex-Orthodox Christian still receive communion? If they can't, then that sounds like a "consequence" to me.

I suppose it depends on a number of factors, including what is meant by "ex-Orthodox". Are we talking about someone who just stops going for a year and then shows up on Easter? In that case I don't know. If we're talking about someone that specifically makes a decision to leave the Church, then I would hope they'd have enough integrity to go through a process of reconciliation, though I don't know how individual priests might handle it.

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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #727 on: April 22, 2012, 04:57:52 PM »
Can an ex-Orthodox Christian still receive communion? If they can't, then that sounds like a "consequence" to me.

I suppose it depends on a number of factors, including what is meant by "ex-Orthodox". Are we talking about someone who just stops going for a year and then shows up on Easter? In that case I don't know. If we're talking about someone that specifically makes a decision to leave the Church, then I would hope they'd have enough integrity to go through a process of reconciliation, though I don't know how individual priests might handle it.

I was thinking of the latter. (For the former I would tend to say lapsed rather than ex.)

Not trying to change the subject, but I recall one or more ex-Catholic posters who still expected to be allowed to receive communion from Catholic ministers (I don't recall what thread this was on, or even whether it was on OCnet or a different forum).
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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #728 on: April 22, 2012, 09:22:44 PM »
I genuinely don't get it. You're told that only people who consciously reject Orthodoxy are heretics or apostates (a la reply 702) but then when you use those terms in that context to make a theological point you're somehow still using them wrong. Weird how that works.  ???

On topic: looks like Orthodoxy is pretty open to reuniting if you can now leave her without consequence.

I genuinely don't get it. You're told that only people who consciously reject Orthodoxy are heretics or apostates (a la reply 702) but then when you use those terms in that context to make a theological point you're somehow still using them wrong. Weird how that works.  ???

On topic: looks like Orthodoxy is pretty open to reuniting if you can now leave her without consequence.

Depends on where you are "looking" from.

What is there we do in this life that is "without consequence"?

This personal back-and-forth between you two is what I had in mind when I posted my "Knock it off!" warning a few posts ago. Any more of this, and you'll both receive a Green Dot for driving this thread off topic.
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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #729 on: April 23, 2012, 03:43:07 AM »
It seems to of crashed and burned 3 or 4 pages back, Way off track!

I genuinely don't get it. You're told that only people who consciously reject Orthodoxy are heretics or apostates (a la reply 702) but then when you use those terms in that context to make a theological point you're somehow still using them wrong. Weird how that works.  ???

On topic: looks like Orthodoxy is pretty open to reuniting if you can now leave her without consequence.

I genuinely don't get it. You're told that only people who consciously reject Orthodoxy are heretics or apostates (a la reply 702) but then when you use those terms in that context to make a theological point you're somehow still using them wrong. Weird how that works.  ???

On topic: looks like Orthodoxy is pretty open to reuniting if you can now leave her without consequence.

Depends on where you are "looking" from.

What is there we do in this life that is "without consequence"?

This personal back-and-forth between you two is what I had in mind when I posted my "Knock it off!" warning a few posts ago. Any more of this, and you'll both receive a Green Dot for driving this thread off topic.
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Re: Which church is more open to reuniting??
« Reply #730 on: April 23, 2012, 08:16:53 AM »
It seems to of crashed and burned 3 or 4 pages back, Way off track!

In terms of going back to an earlier point in this thread, I wonder if anyone has any more to say on the discussion about 1204 etc.

What then would you give as the exact date of the East West Schism?

In the strong sense of the word schism, I would have to say not until the Council of Florence.

I'd say more around 1204 when your kind invaded and sacked Constantinople; there are still Greeks I know to this day who have not gotten over that.

Yeah you're right; both sides screwed up big time. Either way, those events did sort of set the schism in stone though. I remember reading that prior to these events, most people were not even aware of the schism.
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