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« on: April 01, 2012, 03:26:12 AM »
Do you think its a good thing that there are priests celebration in Byzantin as well as in Western Rite?

I am wondering when I see Vicar Bishop Jerome Shaw in a modernist (post Vatican II, that means a soutan shaped according the papal Instruction Ut sive sollicite from 1969). (By the way, it doesn't fit; the mitre neither.)

My opinion: An orthodox bishop and monk (cf. can. 16 of Nicea II) shouldn't wear this.
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2012, 04:29:52 PM »
Quote from: Caelestinus on April 01, 2012, 03:26:12 AM
Do you think its a good thing that there are priests celebration in Byzantin as well as in Western Rite?

I am wondering when I see Vicar Bishop Jerome Shaw in a modernist (post Vatican II, that means a soutan shaped according the papal Instruction Ut sive sollicite from 1969). (By the way, it doesn't fit; the mitre neither.)

My opinion: An orthodox bishop and monk (cf. can. 16 of Nicea II) shouldn't wear this.

You can't pontificate about Western Rite Orthodoxy unless you're Orthodox. It's in the canons.
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2012, 05:15:11 PM »
Not sure how you applying Canon 16 of Nicea II, which speaks of showy clothes.  The Western cassock and Old Rite Cassock are strikingly similar and not any more showy thatn cassok and riassa.  And if we speak of clothes made of silk or with colored ornaments how do you excuse the mantiya?
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 08:54:16 AM »
Quote from: Caelestinus on April 01, 2012, 03:26:12 AM
Do you think its a good thing that there are priests celebration in Byzantin as well as in Western Rite?

For practicality it is necessary that all WR clergy are bi-ritual. There is no WR ordination service so all the clergy are ordained with Byzantine vestments in Byzantine liturgies. Also, in order for WR clergy to fully participate with the rest of the Orthodox world they need to be familiar with the Byzantine services.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 08:55:31 AM »
Quote from: Caelestinus on April 01, 2012, 03:26:12 AM
My opinion: An orthodox bishop and monk (cf. can. 16 of Nicea II) shouldn't wear this.

And how does Canon 16 of Nicea II apply here?
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 08:56:55 AM »
It looks like Armenians aren't the only one group whose hats can be discussed about.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 12:15:58 PM »
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Do you think its a good thing that there are priests celebration in Byzantin as well as in Western Rite?
Why not? It just solidifies the fact that as Orthodox, it does not matter what your rite is, but what your faith is.

Personally, I love the western rite, but when I go to visit my brother in Tennessee, I'll be going to a ER parish in Nashville.

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