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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2012, 10:14:13 PM »
This is an internal affair in Russia and Madonna should mind her own business.

Should human rights, such as freedom of speech, not exist worldwide?

In accordance with my usual policy, I didn't read any further than your words "human rights".
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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2012, 10:41:50 PM »
This is an internal affair in Russia and Madonna should mind her own business.

Should human rights, such as freedom of speech, not exist worldwide?
Entry into Russia isn't a human right.  Madonna can stay home.  After all, besides telling the Russians what to do, she couldn't give a sh@t about them.  Or is she in the market for another kid?
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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2012, 03:26:41 AM »
This is an internal affair in Russia and Madonna should mind her own business.

Should human rights, such as freedom of speech, not exist worldwide?
Entry into Russia isn't a human right.  Madonna can stay home.  After all, besides telling the Russians what to do, she couldn't give a sh@t about them.  Or is she in the market for another kid?

It could be a lot more scary, she could be trying to make another comeback....!   :o
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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2012, 10:35:36 AM »
This is an internal affair in Russia and Madonna should mind her own business.

Should human rights, such as freedom of speech, not exist worldwide?
Entry into Russia isn't a human right.  Madonna can stay home.  After all, besides telling the Russians what to do, she couldn't give a sh@t about them.  Or is she in the market for another kid?

It could be a lot more scary, she could be trying to make another comeback....!   :o

I hate to break it to you, but Madonna never went away. In fact, her concerts make more money than just about anyone. Here's a snippet from wiki about her:

"The Drowned World Tour was followed by the 2004 Re-Invention World Tour. Madonna was inspired to create the tour after taking part in an art installation called X-STaTIC PRo=CeSS, directed by photographer Steven Klein. Billboard awarded Madonna the "Backstage Pass Award" in recognition of having the top-grossing tour of the year, with ticket sales of nearly US $125 million. Madonna's next two tours broke world records, with the 2006 Confessions Tour grossing over US $194.7 million, becoming the highest-grossing tour ever for a female artist at that time. This feat was surpassed in 2008 with the Sticky & Sweet Tour, which went on to become the highest-grossing tour ever by a solo artist, and the second highest-grossing tour of all time, with approximately US $408 million in ticket sales"

this is the page I took it from :)
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Things really haven't gone down hill since then. Not that I'm particularly happy with any of this...
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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2012, 02:13:39 PM »
He didn't condone the sin but stood up for the person and showed them love.

He then said "Go and sin no more."

Hardly the case here!

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2012, 02:16:27 PM »
I don't think i am, i think we (the church) are essentially bigoted and are using religion to justify it.

Aren't you the judgmental one!  :police:

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2012, 04:02:09 PM »
This is an internal affair in Russia and Madonna should mind her own business.

Should human rights, such as freedom of speech, not exist worldwide?
Entry into Russia isn't a human right.  Madonna can stay home.  After all, besides telling the Russians what to do, she couldn't give a sh@t about them.  Or is she in the market for another kid?

It could be a lot more scary, she could be trying to make another comeback....!   :o

I hate to break it to you, but Madonna never went away. In fact, her concerts make more money than just about anyone. Here's a snippet from wiki about her:

"The Drowned World Tour was followed by the 2004 Re-Invention World Tour. Madonna was inspired to create the tour after taking part in an art installation called X-STaTIC PRo=CeSS, directed by photographer Steven Klein. Billboard awarded Madonna the "Backstage Pass Award" in recognition of having the top-grossing tour of the year, with ticket sales of nearly US $125 million. Madonna's next two tours broke world records, with the 2006 Confessions Tour grossing over US $194.7 million, becoming the highest-grossing tour ever for a female artist at that time. This feat was surpassed in 2008 with the Sticky & Sweet Tour, which went on to become the highest-grossing tour ever by a solo artist, and the second highest-grossing tour of all time, with approximately US $408 million in ticket sales"

Things really haven't gone down hill since then. Not that I'm particularly happy with any of this...

Yes, but right now I am seldom forced to hear her on the radio.
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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2012, 06:33:12 PM »
maybe this encounter will bring her to repentance... ;)

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2012, 08:13:37 PM »
This is an internal affair in Russia and Madonna should mind her own business.

Should human rights, such as freedom of speech, not exist worldwide?
Entry into Russia isn't a human right.  Madonna can stay home.  After all, besides telling the Russians what to do, she couldn't give a sh@t about them.  Or is she in the market for another kid?

It could be a lot more scary, she could be trying to make another comeback....!   :o

I hate to break it to you, but Madonna never went away. In fact, her concerts make more money than just about anyone. Here's a snippet from wiki about her:

"The Drowned World Tour was followed by the 2004 Re-Invention World Tour. Madonna was inspired to create the tour after taking part in an art installation called X-STaTIC PRo=CeSS, directed by photographer Steven Klein. Billboard awarded Madonna the "Backstage Pass Award" in recognition of having the top-grossing tour of the year, with ticket sales of nearly US $125 million. Madonna's next two tours broke world records, with the 2006 Confessions Tour grossing over US $194.7 million, becoming the highest-grossing tour ever for a female artist at that time. This feat was surpassed in 2008 with the Sticky & Sweet Tour, which went on to become the highest-grossing tour ever by a solo artist, and the second highest-grossing tour of all time, with approximately US $408 million in ticket sales"

Things really haven't gone down hill since then. Not that I'm particularly happy with any of this...

I know you put "wiki" here, but could you please either give the link, or cite it properly?  Thank you.  :police:
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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2012, 08:16:29 PM »
Sorry about that, this is the page I took it from :)

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2012, 08:21:58 PM »
maybe this encounter will bring her to repentance... ;)

I believe she had her youngest child baptized.

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2012, 09:34:37 PM »
maybe this encounter will bring her to repentance... ;)

I believe she had her youngest child baptized.

RC? and was this child one of the adopted ones from Africa?

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2012, 01:43:00 AM »
Yes, but right now I am seldom forced to hear her on the radio.

Ok, fair enough... I wasn't aware because I don't really listen to the radio... for me, radio killed the radio star :)

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2012, 09:14:38 AM »
He didn't condone the sin but stood up for the person and showed them love.

He then said "Go and sin no more."

Hardly the case here!

Jesus had every right to tell another to go and sin no more as he was perfect -- we are not. We need to be concerned with our own sin in our own lives and keep our noses out of other people's situations unless they have directly asked us for our input. We need to earn the right to be able to speak into a person's life.

More importantly and a point which has clearly escaped your attention, without love in the context of a relationship, our words rightly fall on deaf ears no matter how correct. How can the church possibly effect a change by supporting legislation like this? The context from which the church speaks is love, there's no love in this, no relationship, no backdrop to saying "go and sin no more", just empty words like a resounding gong.
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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2012, 09:18:18 AM »
I don't think i am, i think we (the church) are essentially bigoted and are using religion to justify it.

Aren't you the judgmental one!  :police:

Not really, no. Saying "we" i have included myself.

Unlike your.... um... own sentence /sigh
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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2012, 06:18:08 PM »
I don't think i am, i think we (the church) are essentially bigoted and are using religion to justify it.

Aren't you the judgmental one!  :police:

Not really, no. Saying "we" i have included myself.

Unlike your.... um... own sentence /sigh

Ah, a grand case of projection, then.

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2012, 08:02:10 AM »
In accordance with my usual policy, I didn't read any further than your words "human rights".
Then why did you feel the need to post an answer?

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2012, 08:02:55 AM »
This is an internal affair in Russia and Madonna should mind her own business.

Should human rights, such as freedom of speech, not exist worldwide?
Entry into Russia isn't a human right.  Madonna can stay home.  After all, besides telling the Russians what to do, she couldn't give a sh@t about them.  Or is she in the market for another kid?

I meant freedom of speech for Russian LGBT people.

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2012, 12:36:26 PM »
I don't think i am, i think we (the church) are essentially bigoted and are using religion to justify it.

Aren't you the judgmental one!  :police:

Not really, no. Saying "we" i have included myself.

Unlike your.... um... own sentence /sigh

Ah, a grand case of projection, then.

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2012, 11:17:28 AM »
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I don't think i am, i think we (the church) are essentially bigoted and are using religion to justify it.
No, I believe there is a definitive right and a definitive wrong. If that makes me a bigot, then gimme the membership card. I'll be in good company.

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Re: Singer Madonna vs. the Russian Orthodox Church, on gay status law
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2012, 03:06:16 PM »
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