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« on: December 06, 2013, 07:02:50 PM »

Hello, I was wondering what was the status of the Christians and the Orthodox Church during the time of the World War II Hitler's holocaust? ...
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 09:57:46 PM »

Hello, I was wondering what was the status of the Christians and the Orthodox Church during the time of the World War II Hitler's holocaust? ...

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 11:03:01 PM »

Be more specific please

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 10:53:27 AM »

During the time of Hitler and World War II.

Whatever happened to Orthodox Christians?

What was the status of the Orthodox Church while WWII was ongoing? What was happening at that time?..
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2013, 11:32:33 AM »

During the time of Hitler and World War II.

Whatever happened to Orthodox Christians?

What was the status of the Orthodox Church while WWII was ongoing? What was happening at that time?..

It varies from country to country. Apart from the Orthodox in the Soviet Union, Orthodox Christians of Romania, Greece, Bulgaria, and other countries were all involved in and affected by the war in different ways.

The Serbian Orthodox of Bosnia and Croatia faced genocide by the Nazi-allied Croatian ustashe.

The Greek church was also oppressed by the Nazi occupation and the archbishop saved many Jews' lives.

The Church of Russia was allowed to reopen by the Soviet authorities in order to boost morale.

Just some examples. You're asking about a huge and complex topic. Google is your friend.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2013, 08:00:40 PM »

Hitler actually allowed the Church (in ROCOR variety) to flourish since he hoped he gain support from the people being persecuted by Stalin for being religious. It also coincides with emergence of "autocephalous" Ukrainian or Belarusian Churches.

On the other hand, the Church was decimated by Hitler in the Czech lands for being connected to Heydrich assassination.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 08:20:18 PM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 11:08:02 PM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

You just asked about what happened to Orthodox Christians in WWII. If you don't want to hear about it, don't ask.

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In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

You want to move on to Buddhism because Christians are persecuted? That makes no sense. In any case, Buddhist have been persecuted (and have persecuted others) throughout history.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 11:23:45 PM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else


Many Orthodox Christians perished in the Nazi concentration camps. Some are known to us as saints, such as New-martyr Maria of Paris and Ravensbruck, and those with her. Rather than saying "I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed", you would do well to find out more about these people.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2013, 12:11:15 AM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

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Please consult your priest and your physician. Are you watching your diet, getting enough sleep, and taking your medications faithfully?

Know that I am praying for you.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2013, 12:15:54 AM »

The Orthodox in Alaska also suffered in the war, both under the Japanese, who occupied and also removed many Aleutian Islanders to concentration camps in Japan, and under the American troops, who desecrated at least one Orthodox church while they were stationed there during the war. One faithful Orthodox Aleut had charge of the parish money box. He was carried off to Japan, but managed to keep the parish's money hidden from the Japanese all during his captivity.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2013, 12:18:32 AM »

The Orthodox in Alaska also suffered in the war, both under the Japanese, who occupied and also removed many Aleutian Islanders to concentration camps in Japan, and under the American troops, who desecrated at least one Orthodox church while they were stationed there during the war. One faithful Orthodox Aleut had charge of the parish money box. He was carried off to Japan, but managed to keep the parish's money hidden from the Japanese all during his captivity.

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2013, 07:13:31 PM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

WPM,

Please consult your priest and your physician. Are you watching your diet, getting enough sleep, and taking your medications faithfully?

Know that I am praying for you.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2013, 07:15:59 PM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

You just asked about what happened to Orthodox Christians in WWII. If you don't want to hear about it, don't ask.

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In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

You want to move on to Buddhism because Christians are persecuted? That makes no sense. In any case, Buddhist have been persecuted (and have persecuted others) throughout history.


Well, the history of persecution makes me question if that religion is really widespread or influential. (And not just a small minority group)
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Does History and the Churches have a parallel relationship? .. As if History were confluent to the Afterlife? ...
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2013, 07:55:25 PM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

You just asked about what happened to Orthodox Christians in WWII. If you don't want to hear about it, don't ask.

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In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

You want to move on to Buddhism because Christians are persecuted? That makes no sense. In any case, Buddhist have been persecuted (and have persecuted others) throughout history.


Well, the history of persecution makes me question if that religion is really widespread or influential. (And not just a small minority group)

Every religion is a small, persecuted minority somewhere.
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2013, 09:40:49 PM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

You just asked about what happened to Orthodox Christians in WWII. If you don't want to hear about it, don't ask.

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In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

You want to move on to Buddhism because Christians are persecuted? That makes no sense. In any case, Buddhist have been persecuted (and have persecuted others) throughout history.

Some of the worst atrocities committed against civilians in War War Two were done by Japanese Buddhists..  fyi
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2013, 03:23:33 AM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

You just asked about what happened to Orthodox Christians in WWII. If you don't want to hear about it, don't ask.

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In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

You want to move on to Buddhism because Christians are persecuted? That makes no sense. In any case, Buddhist have been persecuted (and have persecuted others) throughout history.

Some of the worst atrocities committed against civilians in War War Two were done by Japanese Buddhists..  fyi

You mean Shintoists?
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2013, 08:07:27 AM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

You just asked about what happened to Orthodox Christians in WWII. If you don't want to hear about it, don't ask.

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In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

You want to move on to Buddhism because Christians are persecuted? That makes no sense. In any case, Buddhist have been persecuted (and have persecuted others) throughout history.

Some of the worst atrocities committed against civilians in War War Two were done by Japanese Buddhists..  fyi

You mean Shintoists?

No, the Japanese Buddhist establishment was almost totally complicit with the state. Dissenting voices were pretty rare. There's a book out called Zen at War about how the Japanese Zen sects twisted Zen into fascist ideology: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-at-War-Daizen-Victoria/dp/0834804050/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

That's just an example. It was happening with all the Buddhist sects.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2013, 09:09:30 AM »

I would be interested if anyone had any book titles or documentaries about what happened during WWII to the Japanese Orthodox Church.
Wiki gives this blurb:
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During the Fifteen Years War (1930–1945), which from 1939 to 1945 was part of World War II, the Christians in Japan suffered severe conditions, the Orthodox Church especially. In 1945 after the Japanese surrender the Allied Occupation leaders had a generous attitude to Christian groups, given their predominantly American connections. As the majority of the Slavic- and Greek-Americans would attend local Orthodox Christian parishes, the Orthodox Christian community in Japan took a step forward. During the war the Japanese Orthodox Church had had almost no foreign contact. After the war instead of the Russian Orthodox Church the precursors of the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) helped re-invigorate the Japanese Orthodox Church. The Japanese Orthodox Church became governed by bishops from the Orthodox Church in America,[2] and several youths who studied at the OCA's Saint Vladimir’s Orthodox Theological Seminary, then in New York City, are now leaders of the Japanese Orthodox Church
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2013, 12:53:17 PM »

Based on what I understand, I am tired of hearing stories of Christians being persecuted and killed. Please report that news to someone else

You just asked about what happened to Orthodox Christians in WWII. If you don't want to hear about it, don't ask.

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In some News Reports why do hear of Christians being persecuted and killed in the Middle East?  Nothing like that ever happens in Texas or America because Christians are a lot more influential in this country (USA) than reports of small minorities being mistreated somewhere in the Middle East (Syria) ...  

Frankly, it makes me want to move on to Buddhism.

You want to move on to Buddhism because Christians are persecuted? That makes no sense. In any case, Buddhist have been persecuted (and have persecuted others) throughout history.

Some of the worst atrocities committed against civilians in War War Two were done by Japanese Buddhists..  fyi

You mean Shintoists?

No, the Japanese Buddhist establishment was almost totally complicit with the state. Dissenting voices were pretty rare. There's a book out called Zen at War about how the Japanese Zen sects twisted Zen into fascist ideology: http://www.amazon.com/Zen-at-War-Daizen-Victoria/dp/0834804050/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

That's just an example. It was happening with all the Buddhist sects.

The sad fact is that when ultra-nationalism and religion meet up. there will always be those willing to merge the two into an efficient killing machine.(Of course there will always be courageous resistors as well.)  That is why we  are to beware of wolves in sheeps' clothing and that not all who cry out "Lord, Lord" shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
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