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In 1938, some months after the initial publication of The Hobbit, J. R. R. Tolkien and his British publisher, Stanley Unwin, opened talks with Rütten & Loening, a Berlin-based publishing house who were keen to translate the novel for the German market. All was going well until, in July, they wrote to Tolkien and asked for proof of his Aryan descent. Tolkien was furious, and forwarded their letter to his publisher along with two possible replies — one in which their question was delicately side-stepped, and one, seen below, in which Tolkien made his displeasure known with considerable style. Sweet. |
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 11:00:14 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer.  |
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 01:33:35 AM » |
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In 1938, some months after the initial publication of The Hobbit, J. R. R. Tolkien and his British publisher, Stanley Unwin, opened talks with Rütten & Loening, a Berlin-based publishing house who were keen to translate the novel for the German market. All was going well until, in July, they wrote to Tolkien and asked for proof of his Aryan descent. Tolkien was furious, and forwarded their letter to his publisher along with two possible replies — one in which their question was delicately side-stepped, and one, seen below, in which Tolkien made his displeasure known with considerable style. Sweet. Sweet it is! |
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 06:42:26 AM » |
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I'm sure I'm reading too much into them, but Tolkien's novels strike me as pretty race-conscious, to say the least.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 04:03:35 PM » |
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It is OK to be racist against Indians, Kenyans, Ugandans, Zulu, Bantu and the like. Just don't be racist against the Joos. That be real bad.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2012, 07:14:40 PM » |
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It is OK to be racist against Indians, Kenyans, Ugandans, Zulu, Bantu and the like. Just don't be racist against the Joos. That be real bad.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2012, 07:15:11 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? |
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2012, 07:26:57 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2012, 07:29:32 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I think the Nazis would have viewed the Indians as, at best, degenerated Nordics who had interbred with inferior races. The Nazi approach to the Gypsies (who originally come from northwest India) was one of extermination. |
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"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2012, 07:31:50 PM » |
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It is OK to be racist against Indians, Kenyans, Ugandans, Zulu, Bantu and the like. Just don't be racist against the Joos. That be real bad.
Um, relevance? An English author upset about German racism. When it comes to racism, the English wrote the book. Look who coined the term "Consentration Camp" and when. |
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2012, 07:34:11 PM » |
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It is OK to be racist against Indians, Kenyans, Ugandans, Zulu, Bantu and the like. Just don't be racist against the Joos. That be real bad.
Um, relevance? An English author upset about German racism. When it comes to racism, the English wrote the book. Look who coined the term "Consentration Camp" and when. Pot, meet kettle. |
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2012, 07:38:53 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. |
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2012, 07:59:55 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Amen. As one who has known Nazis first hand, and I do not mean the modern poseurs. |
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2012, 08:28:57 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. |
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2012, 08:30:01 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Certainly explains why, on December 11, 1941, three days after the U.S. declared war on Japan, Germany declared war on the U.S. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2012, 08:50:23 PM » |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Wouldn't this be for convenience sake, rather than spreading yourself out thin? I mean, if Hitler had the choice and power, he'd probably turn against the Japs too. |
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2012, 09:48:16 PM » |
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Check out the Wikipedia entry for the term "Aryan" for more information.
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Wouldn't this be for convenience sake, rather than spreading yourself out thin? I mean, if Hitler had the choice and power, he'd probably turn against the Japs too. You obviously didn't understand what the Third Reich was about. Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indische_Legion |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Wouldn't this be for convenience sake, rather than spreading yourself out thin? I mean, if Hitler had the choice and power, he'd probably turn against the Japs too. You obviously didn't understand what the Third Reich was about. Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. How so? |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Wouldn't this be for convenience sake, rather than spreading yourself out thin? I mean, if Hitler had the choice and power, he'd probably turn against the Japs too. You obviously didn't understand what the Third Reich was about. Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. How so? Why? |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Wouldn't this be for convenience sake, rather than spreading yourself out thin? I mean, if Hitler had the choice and power, he'd probably turn against the Japs too. You obviously didn't understand what the Third Reich was about. Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. How so? Why? I don't know. You were the one who said Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. I've never seen this point of view expressed before, so I'm curious to know what you mean by saying it. |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Wouldn't this be for convenience sake, rather than spreading yourself out thin? I mean, if Hitler had the choice and power, he'd probably turn against the Japs too. You obviously didn't understand what the Third Reich was about. Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. How so? Why? I don't know. You were the one who said Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. I've never seen this point of view expressed before, so I'm curious to know what you mean by saying it. First hyperbole. And if the British didn't get involved in the affairs of the Germans peoples, the costs and ravages of war would not have made work and annihilation camps the method of choice for enforcing the Aryanization of the German World. For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan#In_Nazi_Germany |
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I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Wouldn't this be for convenience sake, rather than spreading yourself out thin? I mean, if Hitler had the choice and power, he'd probably turn against the Japs too. You obviously didn't understand what the Third Reich was about. Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. How so? Why? I don't know. You were the one who said Churchill was the worst thing that happened to the Jews. I've never seen this point of view expressed before, so I'm curious to know what you mean by saying it. First hyperbole. And if the British didn't get involved in the affairs of the Germans peoples, the costs and ravages of war would not have made work and annihilation camps the method of choice for enforcing the Aryanization of the German World. For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan#In_Nazi_Germany From the wikipedia article: "How the native Malagasy population of Madagascar was to fit in with this plan was never elaborated upon." I wonder if the Malagasy would have gotten off better than the Palestinians? |
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Getting rid of the Japs was in the plans. I like how he subtly have shown how being Aryan means sharing ancestry with those who they possibly might have had some bigotry against. This is nice. And the fact that it happened on July 25th (my birthday) makes it even nicer. Were the Nazis anti-Indian? I honestly don't know, but I can imagine so...i mean if one is already bigotted as it is within your own race, one's bigotry doesn't stop against the Jews. Reduction of Nazi racial theory to a singular statement is difficult. Even more difficult is what "Nazi" praxis would be in a simple statement. Indeed. For instance, I've read in several reliable places that Hitler had the goal of Japan ruling Asia. Wouldn't this be for convenience sake, rather than spreading yourself out thin? I mean, if Hitler had the choice and power, he'd probably turn against the Japs too. |
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Is it that difficult to type Japanese rather than Jap?
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