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altar server wearing cassock
« on: March 07, 2012, 03:36:36 AM »
I visited the Greek parish in my city and served in the altar. i was asked to wear a cassock, which I thought was pretty cool. But is this common? The usual is a sticharion.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 04:16:51 AM »
I visited the Greek parish in my city and served in the altar. i was asked to wear a cassock, which I thought was pretty cool. But is this common? The usual is a sticharion.

Yes, it is common in Greek practice for those serving to "vest" I'm exorassa (outer cassock). The garment itself subtly differs from the Russian equivalent.

Sure someone else here can say more ...
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 04:22:17 AM »
In Greek churches, it is not unusual for the most senior altar server (or more than one, if there are, say, two lads of equal age and length of service) to wear a black cassock instead of a colored stikharion. They would be in their mid-to late-teens when given this honor.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2012, 04:40:17 AM »
It was actually an inner cassock. Well, actually a Roman cassock from a western church supplier.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 04:55:24 AM »
It was actually an inner cassock. Well, actually a Roman cassock from a western church supplier.

I assume that was just because that was all that's available.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2012, 04:56:37 AM »
In Greek churches, it is not unusual for the most senior altar server (or more than one, if there are, say, two lads of equal age and length of service) to wear a black cassock instead of a colored stikharion. They would be in their mid-to late-teens when given this honor.

I would prefer the sticharion.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2012, 05:37:26 AM »
Some readers while serving as altar servers do not put sticharions on cassocks.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 05:41:16 AM »
If I am remembering correctly, and I may well not be, the altar servers at my parish wear cassocks.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 06:16:58 AM »
Those tonsured as readers in order to serve in the altar as acolytes often wear inner cassocks with a sticharion over the top. Psalts and readers who actually read, and therefore stay outside the altar during the service, only wear a black exorasson.

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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 03:09:17 PM »
If I am remembering correctly, and I may well not be, the altar servers at my parish wear cassocks.
Where are you? St. Nicholas Cathedral (OCA) Washington,DC, has altar servers, as well as tonsured clergy, wear podryasniki (undercassocks) under their sticharia. I know this from personal experience, haveing worn a podryasnik while serving.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 07:39:57 PM »
If I am remembering correctly, and I may well not be, the altar servers at my parish wear cassocks.
Where are you? St. Nicholas Cathedral (OCA) Washington,DC, has altar servers, as well as tonsured clergy, wear podryasniki (undercassocks) under their sticharia. I know this from personal experience, haveing worn a podryasnik while serving.

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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 02:19:16 PM »
Cool! I didn't know that that was a local tradition there as well.

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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 01:18:21 PM »


Why are they wearing paliums?
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 03:54:59 PM »
Do you have any more context for this picture?

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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2013, 04:04:45 PM »
GOA, some procession, a while ago?
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2013, 04:13:43 PM »


Why are they wearing paliums?

1. To spite the Pope.

2. They are bishops in training.

3. Role-playing.


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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2013, 04:16:12 PM »


Why are they wearing paliums?

Because it looks awesome?
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2013, 04:35:38 PM »
At one local Latin parish, they still wear the ghastly hooded albs that came into fashion in the 70's, whereas the church next town over goes cassock and surplice- I know, as I've served at both. They supposedly have one cassock and surplice on hand at the other parish, but it's supposed to be just for the most senior server. *chuckles* I've been serving on the altar there for the past 9 years, singing in the church's trio- not choir, trio- for the past 7 years, and cantoring for 3 years now, and I have yet to see it used.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2013, 04:39:42 PM »
The hooded albs...yuck.  Amice, alb, and cincture all the way. 
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2013, 04:42:25 PM »
The hooded albs...yuck.  Amice, alb, and cincture all the way. 

Yes- while I don't approve of Anglican notions nowadays, Percy Dearmer got it right in the vesture department.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 07:23:58 PM »
In Greek churches, it is not unusual for the most senior altar server (or more than one, if there are, say, two lads of equal age and length of service) to wear a black cassock instead of a colored stikharion. They would be in their mid-to late-teens when given this honor.

I would prefer the sticharion.
Me too. The cassock is inner attire for clergymen, even those of lower orders, and monastics. Wearing one if you do not belong to one of those orders is mal apropos in my opinion.  Unless the Bishop has a valid reason for having his servers wear cassocks, I would reserve wearing a cassock to tonsured acolytes/readers.

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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 08:16:13 PM »


Why are they wearing paliums?
except for the dome, this church looks like St. Andrew's, on Sheridan  in Chicago. That's what I first thought it was.

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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2013, 03:06:04 AM »
It's LA AFAIK.
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2013, 08:37:11 AM »


Why are they wearing paliums?
except for the dome, this church looks like St. Andrew's, on Sheridan  in Chicago. That's what I first thought it was.

Does that make it a Palliumdome?
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2013, 04:02:31 PM »
It's LA AFAIK.

That explains it. Probably donated by someone who had their own idea for what to get the Church.  It happens in many, many places, but LA has a history (icons, etc.) of this kind of stuff. 
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2013, 04:22:20 PM »
It's LA AFAIK.

That explains it. Probably donated by someone who had their own idea for what to get the Church.  It happens in many, many places, but LA has a history (icons, etc.) of this kind of stuff.  

Is this picture an old shot of St. Sophia Greek Orthodox Cathedral in downtown Los Angeles?
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Re: altar server wearing cassock
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2013, 04:34:46 PM »


Why are they wearing paliums?
except for the dome, this church looks like St. Andrew's, on Sheridan  in Chicago. That's what I first thought it was.

I thought it was Holy Spirit Byzantine Catholic church in Binghamton, NY



or St. Mary's Byzantine Catholic Church in Cleveland.



There is also churches in Pittsburgh and Perth Amboy, NJ that look very similar.

All built between 1945-1950.

The architect must have been running a church special.