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« on: March 04, 2012, 11:00:03 AM »

Do any Orthodox Christians here use non-Orthodox materials (Breviary, Missal, Hymnals, Prayer Books) for there devotions at home? 
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2012, 04:18:45 PM »

no. i used to use the catholic booklet that came out every lent, coz it was nearly orthodox, and indeed, i gave one to a protestant friend to give her an idea of my spiritual journey.
but i would still read it through to check for any theology i thought was incorrect before praying from it. with orthodox stuff, i tend to pray it and then check if it's correct afterwards (if i find something that's hard to understand, and in that case it's usually me that's wrong).

the danger of using non orthodox stuff in yr private prayers is that u tend to take it all in without checking if u r praying something that makes sense. so u can end up confusing yourself about what u believe.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2012, 04:52:10 PM »

i would still read it through to check for any theology i thought was incorrect before praying from it. with orthodox stuff, i tend to pray it and then check if it's correct afterwards (if i find something that's hard to understand, and in that case it's usually me that's wrong).

I generally stick to Orthodox material, but this is my general attitude that I take towards "stealing Egyptian gold".

My patron saint is St Patrick and I will sometimes pray a version of the RC chaplet to him, though I tend to substitute the Nicene Creed instead of the Apostles Creed and use the eastern "now and ever..." instead of the western "as it was in the beginning..." out of familiarity and regular use, though there is nothing really objectionable to those two things which I believe are used by WRO.

Anyway I find it best to trust and stick with Orthodox material and double check anything else before using it if you are going to.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2012, 05:27:55 PM »

egyptian gold that's free for you to take:
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2012, 05:29:27 PM »

Do any Orthodox Christians here use non-Orthodox materials (Breviary, Missal, Hymnals, Prayer Books) for there devotions at home? 

 Are you talking to Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox?

 As an Eastern Orthodox, I don't feel the need or interest to use non-Orthodox materials as they pale in comparison.  Especially when compared to "The Ladder of Divine Ascent" and "The Path to Salvation" by St. Theophan the Recluse.  
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2012, 06:45:53 PM »

egyptian gold that's free for you to take:
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it's a prayer book.

I have a copy.  It is quite beautiful.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 06:56:15 PM »

Do any Orthodox Christians here use non-Orthodox materials (Breviary, Missal, Hymnals, Prayer Books) for there devotions at home? 

 Are you talking to Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox?

 As an Eastern Orthodox, I don't feel the need or interest to use non-Orthodox materials as they pale in comparison.  Especially when compared to "The Ladder of Divine Ascent" and "The Path to Salvation" by St. Theophan the Recluse.  

I have always considered the OO to be fully and completely Orthodox.  With that out of the way, I would disagree that some of the non-Orthodox materials "pale" in comparison.  I have a translation of a German breviary (Lutheran) where nearly every word predates the Schism since it is based on the old Latin books in use at the time of the Reformation.  In fact, in the short time that I have been using it, I have yet to sing a hymn from it that was written later than 1000 AD, making them fully Orthodox.  And since half of it contains the full Psaltar set to Gregorian Chant, the writings of David did not give up their beauty and power just because they were not translated by HTM. 

I have been using this Breviary and the Roman Missal for my weekday devotions since I have everything in two books, unlike the Eastern services which require many books to properly conduct.  I have not checked into any of the Orthodox Western Rite materiel yet since I have heard from some people that it is lacking.  However, if someone has some suggestions, I would be willing to look into them.

BTW - I have most all of the Eastern Orthodox service books, or should say that I had them since I donated most of them to the Church which had very little in English.  I was just looking for something a bit more compact.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2012, 07:53:42 PM »

I have been using this Breviary and the Roman Missal for my weekday devotions since I have everything in two books, unlike the Eastern services which require many books to properly conduct. 

Only if you're doing Matins or Vespers. All the other services (with the exception of the Sunday midnight office) only need the Horologion, most versions of which contain the Apolytikion and Kontakion for every day of the year.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 07:54:59 PM »

I suppose a good question could be what do you mean by "non-Orthodox" materials? The Western Rite Orthodox have a wide selection of pre-schism sources to call upon and a version of the Anglican BCP. I've been thinking of using one of their resources for much the same reason you mentioned in the above post- though I suppose an Anglican Missal or pre Edwardian BCP would do in a pinch.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 08:46:45 PM »

Ooops, I misread the question. Sorry.
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2012, 05:56:32 AM »

In private devotions, I see no reason to not use non-Orthodox materials, as long as the person using them understands them in an Orthodox way.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 08:27:39 AM »

I think belivers could pray in their own words which had been received from different sources.
It is very important that such prayers must be clear, sincere and don’t containe materials which contradinc to Orthodox Holy Tradition and Scriptures.

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 12:11:24 PM »

I think belivers could pray in their own words which had been received from different sources.
It is very important that such prayers must be clear, sincere and don’t containe materials which contradinc to Orthodox Holy Tradition and Scriptures.

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 12:11:42 PM »

I have some non-Orthodox devotional materials that were passed down to me from a beloved family member (a few books from early last century, a couple of hymnals) , but I keep them for sentimental reasons and do not use them beyond an occasional flip-through.

I have an RC "Lives of the Saints" that is good for reference, and English and Spanish versions of the same 25-page pocket prayer book that I lifted out of a literature rack in a Catholic church years ago. I don't use the prayer books, because I don't. No reason, really.

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2012, 12:41:36 PM »

Do any Orthodox Christians here use non-Orthodox materials (Breviary, Missal, Hymnals, Prayer Books) for there devotions at home? 

I do, but I only use what is Orthodox from them, whether from an ancient Orthodox source, or from a non-Orthodox source with a text that conforms to Orthodox understanding.
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