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« on: February 26, 2012, 02:18:53 AM »

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On Easter Monday the women had a right to strike their husbands, on Tuesday the men struck their wives, as in December the servants scolded their masters....In the northern parts of England the men parade the streets on Easter Sunday and claim the privilege of lifting every woman three times from the ground, receiving in payment a kiss or a silver sixpence. The same is done by the women to the men on the next day. In the Neumark (Germany) on Easter Day the men servants whip the maid servants with switches; on Monday the maids whip the men. They secure their release with Easter eggs. These customs are probably of pre-Christian origin....
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 12:16:10 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 12:18:17 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Agreed. It should be mandatory free day like in Poland.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 12:19:37 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 12:24:47 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 12:29:25 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

Not unheard of. My grandmother died on Pascha,
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 12:30:23 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

And here I thought it was if you died during *Holy Week*, or especially on **Pascha** that you'd go straight to Heaven.  But, I guess with Pittsburgh being a world of its own, and maybe even the whole of PA, too, things are "different" there  Wink.  

Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 01:35:19 PM »

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That is done every Sunday in the South after Nascar and a case of Budweiser....


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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2012, 01:47:45 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 01:48:42 PM »

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That is done every Sunday in the South after Nascar and a case of Budweiser....


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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 01:50:38 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 01:52:00 PM »

Old and strange custom:

Eating the ears of the chocolate bunny first...  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2012, 02:22:34 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2012, 03:09:15 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss)  (Maybe you mean *this* Eighth Ecumenical Council---http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/const4.asp?)

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?  (Or do they not exist in Orthodoxy?)
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2012, 03:24:06 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss)  

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2012, 03:26:57 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
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Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2012, 03:29:27 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
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Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2012, 03:39:32 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
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Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).
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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2012, 03:43:34 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2012, 03:50:25 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2012, 03:54:57 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2012, 03:59:21 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2012, 04:03:34 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2012, 04:10:22 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077

You're way too kind (don't worry, I won't tell anyone else  Grin).  And, a mathematician to boot!  Oh, the wonders of the internet  Roll Eyes.
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2012, 04:10:54 PM »

On the Monday after Pascha,  Egyptians go have picnics in cemetaries and eat rotten fish. Fiseekh, bleah  Tongue.  More modern types eat canned tuna.

On a related note, I just found out I liked tilapia for decades:turns out bulty is a cichlids like tilapia.
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« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2012, 04:14:04 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077

You're way too kind (don't worry, I won't tell anyone else  Grin).  And, a mathematician to boot!  Oh, the wonders of the internet  Roll Eyes.

It was fun, but couldn't let you go away with too wrong of a misconception. Wink
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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2012, 04:14:15 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).
The Eighth Ecumenical Council Constantinople IV, 879-80, which voided your council.
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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2012, 04:20:05 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
The statement listed as "4" (is it canon IV?) of the holy regional Council which assembled in Carthage in the year 418 or 419  that I see says: "4. It is decided that Bishops, Presbyters, and Deacons, and all men who handle sacred articles, being guardians of sobriety, must abstain from women.

(Ap. c. V; cc. XII, XIII, XXX, XLVIII of the 6th; c. IV of Gangra; cc. Ill, XIII, XXXIII of Carthage.)."

However, does  the Orthodox Church follow this sacred canon IV?
I don't see the canon IV that says everyone will be automatically saved if they die during Holy Week?


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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2012, 04:27:05 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
I see in your list the Council of Gangra which appears to endorse slavery: "3. If anyone, on the pretext of godliness, teach a slave to scorn his master, and to leave his service, and not to afford his services to his own master with favor and all honor, let him be anathema."

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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2012, 04:32:36 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
I see in your list the Council of Gangra which appears to endorse slavery: "3. If anyone, on the pretext of godliness, teach a slave to scorn his master, and to leave his service, and not to afford his services to his own master with favor and all honor, let him be anathema."



And St. Paul, and Jesus, etc. Come on, let not the pot call the kettle black, only to ignore the elephant in the room.
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« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2012, 04:35:18 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077

You're way too kind (don't worry, I won't tell anyone else  Grin).  And, a mathematician to boot!  Oh, the wonders of the internet  Roll Eyes.

It was fun, but couldn't let you go away with too wrong of a misconception. Wink

Misconception?  Of.........?  Oh.....you being too kind for a mathematician!  Got it!  Grin
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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2012, 04:37:28 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
I see in your list the Council of Gangra which appears to endorse slavery: "3. If anyone, on the pretext of godliness, teach a slave to scorn his master, and to leave his service, and not to afford his services to his own master with favor and all honor, let him be anathema."



And St. Paul, and Jesus, etc. Come on, let not the pot call the kettle black, only to ignore the elephant in the room.

There's an **elephant** in the room??  Eeeek!  And here I thought it was a mathematician!  And it's in a black kettle.  Er...pot.
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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2012, 04:50:11 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).
The Eighth Ecumenical Council Constantinople IV, 879-80, which voided your council.


Did I have a council?  I know I'm older than dirt, and memory ain't what it used to be, but I shore don't remember havin' a council.  Hmm...  But I guess I *could*--y'all are all invited and we'll call it whatever you want.  Then we can void it.  (That sounds unpleasant--the voiding, that is.)  I'll bring the beer!
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« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2012, 05:09:45 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
I see in your list the Council of Gangra which appears to endorse slavery: "3. If anyone, on the pretext of godliness, teach a slave to scorn his master, and to leave his service, and not to afford his services to his own master with favor and all honor, let him be anathema."



And St. Paul, and Jesus, etc. Come on, let not the pot call the kettle black, only to ignore the elephant in the room.
It wasn't I who said that if you die during Bright week, you go straight to heaven. And that this is supposed to be a canon of the Church?
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« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2012, 05:15:41 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
I see in your list the Council of Gangra which appears to endorse slavery: "3. If anyone, on the pretext of godliness, teach a slave to scorn his master, and to leave his service, and not to afford his services to his own master with favor and all honor, let him be anathema."



And St. Paul, and Jesus, etc. Come on, let not the pot call the kettle black, only to ignore the elephant in the room.
It wasn't I who said that if you die during Bright week, you go straight to heaven. And that this is supposed to be a canon of the Church?

As far as I know, Stanley, it's just a pious belief based on wishful thinking.  Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but....how would we *know*?  And I'm *still* curious about whether an unrepentant mass murdering atheist who dies then would "go straight to heaven".  No one seems to know, except perhaps the elephant, er...mathematician in the room.

And...from reply #12 onward, just about everything was nonsense.  Except, of course, reply #32!
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« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2012, 05:19:02 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
I see in your list the Council of Gangra which appears to endorse slavery: "3. If anyone, on the pretext of godliness, teach a slave to scorn his master, and to leave his service, and not to afford his services to his own master with favor and all honor, let him be anathema."



And St. Paul, and Jesus, etc. Come on, let not the pot call the kettle black, only to ignore the elephant in the room.
It wasn't I who said that if you die during Bright week, you go straight to heaven. And that this is supposed to be a canon of the Church?

As far as I know, Stanley, it's just a pious belief based on wishful thinking.  Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but....how would we *know*?  And I'm *still* curious about whether an unrepentant mass murdering atheist who dies then would "go straight to heaven".  No one seems to know, except perhaps the elephant, er...mathematician in the room.

And...from reply #12 onward, just about everything was nonsense.  Except, of course, reply #32!
I can't seem to find canon 4 of the Council referenced above.
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« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2012, 05:48:21 PM »

I think it relates more to the toll houses than to the iconostasis doors being open or to any canon.
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« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2012, 05:53:14 PM »

I think it relates more to the toll houses than to the iconostasis doors being open or to any canon.

Podkarpatska once tried to interest me in toll houses.  I told him that at my stage of life I'm more interested in senior condominiums  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin.
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« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2012, 08:18:18 PM »

Strange American custom unheard of; taking off the monday after easter from work.

Don't the Orthodox in Pittsburgh (you know, that city that's in a world of its own) take the day off to celebrate Bright Monday with Divine Liturgy and a parish picnic?   Grin

I dunno.  I can find out.  Probably.  There is always a reason for a parish dinner.  You know the PA custom that if you die during bright week you go straight to Heaven, that's why they keep the royal doors open.
No pun intended, that is a true belief.

I've heard the same thing...only not just Bright Week, but, during the 40 days after Pascha.


Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered about that belief in Orthodoxy.  Does that mean that a totally unrepentant sinner, an atheistic mass murderer who dies during Holy Week, on Pascha, or during Bright Week, or the 40 days after Pascha (which is it, guys??) goes straight to Heaven?  Or is this just a "pious belief"?

No. It's a Canon of the Eighth Ecumenical Council.



Which canon?  (Do let me know if you find it, okay?   Kiss

And what about the case of the unrepentant sinner?

Canon IV

*This* Canon IV--CANON 4

"Summary. Photius was never bishop, hence those ordained by him must be deposed.

Text. We declare that Photius never was bishop nor is now and that those ordained or promoted by him may not retain the dignity to which he raised them; furthermore, that those elevated by him through the solemn rite of benediction to the office of superiors (of monasteries) shall be deposed," and that the churches consecrated and altars erected by him or by bishops ordained by him, must be consecrated and erected anew. "
  ??

Funny, I don't see anything about dying during Holy Week/Pascha/Bright Week, etc.  Hmmm......

No, that's the fourth canon from what the Latins consider the Eighth Oecumenical Council.

Oh my...Silly me.  But he *did* say the Eighth Ecumenical Council (Constantinople IV, 869-70), didn't he?  That's the only one I know of that goes by "Eighth Ecumenical Council" (your use of the "O" is redundant--or at least unecessary).

For those Orthodox who believe that some of the Councils after Nicea II are oecumenical (I know it's unnecessary, just personal preference...old habits die hard Wink), they usually refer to Fourth Council of Constantinople held in Hagia Sophia between 879 and 880 to be the Eighth Council (though, of course, councils after the 7th are not universally accepted as oecumenical).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................So he means Canon IV of the Council of <#>#$! which is considered by all to be the Eighth Ecumenical Council convened by ## ## the First held (or...was it? Hmm...) at Buildenopolis in Lower Grandozia. (I think that's actually a suburb of Pittsburgh.)  That one, right?  Got it!

That's the one, but not sure if you got it. Wink

Faith, my brother.  Faith.  That's how you can be sure.  Wink

Nah, maybe for some things, but not to answer this question. I hate to do all your homework for you, but here's a link to the canons of the council:

http://www.holytrinitymission.org/books/english/councils_local_rudder.htm#_Toc72635077
I see in your list the Council of Gangra which appears to endorse slavery: "3. If anyone, on the pretext of godliness, teach a slave to scorn his master, and to leave his service, and not to afford his services to his own master with favor and all honor, let him be anathema."



And St. Paul, and Jesus, etc. Come on, let not the pot call the kettle black, only to ignore the elephant in the room.
It wasn't I who said that if you die during Bright week, you go straight to heaven. And that this is supposed to be a canon of the Church?

As far as I know, Stanley, it's just a pious belief based on wishful thinking.  Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but....how would we *know*?  And I'm *still* curious about whether an unrepentant mass murdering atheist who dies then would "go straight to heaven".  No one seems to know, except perhaps the elephant, er...mathematician in the room.

And...from reply #12 onward, just about everything was nonsense.  Except, of course, reply #32!
I can't seem to find canon 4 of the Council referenced above.

In modern mainstream orthodox canon law, you won't find many references to an eighth oecumenical council either.
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