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« on: October 05, 2004, 01:04:55 PM »

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By Matthew Mosk
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Wednesday, September 22, 2004; Page B01

Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. announced yesterday that Maryland will be the first state to spend a portion of its federal homeland security allotment safeguarding Jewish schools, saying the religious institutions present a soft target for terrorists.

"Unfortunately, this is a function of the era we live in," Ehrlich said after addressing high school students gathered in the gym at the Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School in Rockville. "This is a very nontraditional war. Projects such as this will make us safer."

Ehrlich (R) said the state will spend $100,000 on security measures at the school. Its sizable student body -- there are 1,500 students in kindergarten through 12th grade on two campuses in Rockville -- and proximity to Washington placed it high on his list of priorities, he said. School officials said the money would be spent on "external security" but would not elaborate.

"We are very grateful for the support," said Nancy Hamburger, president of the school's board of directors. "This is something that has parents concerned, and we need to make a special effort to make them feel comfortable that their children are safe."

The governor's decision came after aggressive lobbying from the school and local and national Jewish groups that have been urging Congress to allocate a special pool of homeland security money for nonprofit groups.

The U.S. Senate passed an appropriations bill this month that included $50 million in homeland security funding for nonprofits, but the funding was missing from the House version. The proposal is now before a conference committee.

Robyn G. Judelsohn, a spokeswoman for the United Jewish Committee, said the group has argued that the special allotment is needed because nonprofits have been unable to compete with fire and police agencies for the homeland security funds being distributed by state leaders.

"Maryland is the only exception that I'm aware of," she said.

One factor giving Maryland Jewish leaders an edge in obtaining the funds has been Ehrlich's visible efforts to court Jewish voters. His first overseas trip as governor was to Israel, and his schedule over the past two years has been loaded with appearances before Jewish groups.

While he has not been shy about his interest in forging strong ties with Baltimore and Washington area Jewish groups, Ehrlich rejected the idea that yesterday's funding announcement was part of a broader strategy for his reelection campaign.

"Anyone who makes that statement makes it out of ignorance," he said, responding to a reporter's question.

Ehrlich's aides said concerns about security for religious groups, including not only Jews but also Muslims, helped spur the initiative. They cited the 1999 shooting at the North Valley Jewish Community Center outside Los Angeles, in which three boys and two center workers were wounded, as an example of the threat. Last month, Ehrlich briefed Jewish leaders from Baltimore on homeland security issues, and pledged $97,900 in homeland security money to pay for bulletproof glass, security cameras and an alarm system at a Baltimore Jewish community center.

Ronald J. Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Council, said the Rockville organization has made security a priority since Sept. 11, 2001.

"I don't think it's politics," Halber said. "I think it's extraordinarily practical. Security has become the highest priority to the Jewish community."

Still, politics lurked at yesterday's event. While Ehrlich's marketing specialist helped orchestrate an event that would be appealing to television news cameras, Montgomery County Executive Douglas M. Duncan's top political aide watched from the back of the gymnasium.

Jerry Pasternak, who attended in his capacity as a member of the board of the Charles E. Smith school, noted that Ehrlich was not the first official in Maryland to direct public funds to security for Jewish institutions. Pasternak said Duncan (D) has approved more than $2.5 million in grants since 2001 to bulk up security at facilities run by Jewish groups, and has directed some homeland security money to a Catholic school for increased security. Duncan is weighing a run for governor in 2006.

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2004, 01:08:40 PM »

I don't know.
I'm against it anyway., why should Jews get a higher priority than us?
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2004, 01:19:07 PM »

Yeah, Tom, that $0.0003 of your federal tax money could have gone elsewhere than helping to possibly keep some citizens of Maryland away from an elevated level of danger.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2004, 01:19:39 PM »

why should Jews get a higher priority than us?

Why?? Because they are God's CHOSEN people! Remember we are just the dogs wanting scraps from THEIR table! Better go read that Good Book again.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2004, 01:21:26 PM »

Yeah, Tom, that $0.0003 of your federal tax money could have gone elsewhere than helping to possibly keep some citizens of Maryland away from an elevated level of danger.

Hey. That's THEIR problem. Not mine. I could give a ....
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2004, 01:29:08 PM »

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Hey. That's THEIR problem. Not mine. I could give a ....

"Their" problem?  "They" are still citizens of Maryland and pay taxes as well.

This is about public safety.  Not about "us and them".  You've been reading that racist's posts on the cafe too much, man.

Contrary to what some people may say, Jews are people too.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2004, 01:34:46 PM »

You've been reading that racist's posts on the cafe too much, man.

Nope. These are PRIVATE schools - they should up the tuition of their students if they feel they need to provide additional security.

I would have the same objection if this was about Catholic schools.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2004, 01:36:50 PM »

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I would have the same objection if this was about Catholic schools.

but saying something like this:

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Why?? Because they are God's CHOSEN people! Remember we are just the dogs wanting scraps from THEIR table! Better go read that Good Book again.

...most definitely makes it seem like you're bitching about this because these are Jewish schools and not privately funded ones.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2004, 01:38:32 PM »

They are private schools, yes, but the students and officials are also residents of the state.  This isn't funding education, but security.  I don't know if I have a problem with this.  Who is petitioning for the extra funds?  Would you have a problem if a heavily Arab Antiochian church had to be guarded by cops because of a perceived threat to its security and that of its parishioners?
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2004, 01:44:40 PM »

Never mind, I read the article again and saw that the school and other Jewish groups were petitioning for the funds.  But it says "nonprofit groups".  That doesn't sound like it is only applicable to Jewish groups.  Or does it?
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2004, 01:51:33 PM »

Would you have a problem if a heavily Arab Antiochian church had to be guarded by cops because of a perceived threat to its security and that of its parishioners?  

Absolutely. Unless the Church reimbursed the state for the cost of providing these services.

I mean, c'mon, there ARE private security firms with guards licensed to carry firearms that could be hired to do this.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2004, 01:52:03 PM »

Since when are Jews God's chosen people? They forfeited that title around 33 AD.

The Church is the new Israel.

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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2004, 01:57:06 PM »

Since when are Jews God's chosen people? They forfeited that title around 33 AD.

The Church is the new Israel.


I like that interpretation. Are the Orthodox the only ones who interpret it that way?
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2004, 01:59:11 PM »

No, the Catholics do as well.

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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2004, 02:00:36 PM »

A good explanation of this is (gasp) by the Roman Catholic biblical scholar Scott Hahn (my Roman Catholic apologetics days are returning, lol!).  It's a study on Romans Ch. 8-11 called, "All Israel will be saved."  It's a four-tape set.  If I can think of it Tom, next time I see you I will lend it to you. Replace "Catholic Church" with "Orthodox Church" in the lectures and you will get the point Smiley

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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2004, 02:03:03 PM »

Mor, right now, it is only applying to Jewish schools.  There is only mention of 1 Catholic school being helped in any way by tax $ for security.  All schools are dangerous places... if the terrorists wanted to hit home, they would do some research into where the children of government officials go.  At this point, it doesn't seem that terrorists see a difference between Jews & Christians, we are all heathens to them.
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2004, 02:07:23 PM »

Since when are Jews God's chosen people? They forfeited that title around 33 AD.

The Church is the new Israel.

But wait a minute -- How do you explain Jesus' referance to Gentiles as dogs? Following that interpretation, didnt she BECOME a child of Israel when she believed in him and came to ask for his help?

I have heard that one interpretation is that it was a way to teach us to be persistant in our prayers. Is that the only one?

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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2004, 02:15:04 PM »

Jesus was not yet speaking of the Church age.  In the Church, the lost tribes of Israel (who mixed with the Gentiles) are restored with the remaining two tribes.  Hence, all Israel will be saved.

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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2004, 03:46:17 PM »

A good explanation of this is (gasp) by the Roman Catholic biblical scholar Scott Hahn (my Roman Catholic apologetics days are returning, lol!).  It's a study on Romans Ch. 8-11 called, "All Israel will be saved."  It's a four-tape set.  If I can think of it Tom, next time I see you I will lend it to you. Replace "Catholic Church" with "Orthodox Church" in the lectures and you will get the point Smiley


Just to stick up for my alma mater, Scott got that argument during his days at Westminster Seminary.  Its the standard Covenantal reading of that text.  He's kept it because its solid exegesis and it fits the Roman Catholic view.

But I bring it up to point out that its not just the Orthodox and Rome, its the Orthodox, Rome, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, Calvinism, Methodism, and all particular and Covenantal/Reformed Baptists who teach that.  Evangelicals who believe in Dispensationalism and Chiliasm are a tiny minority in terms of world Christianity, and their particular view doesn't antedate the 19th Century.  

It does make for compelling fictional drama however.  Just ask Tim LaHaye.

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Just to stick up for my alma mater, Scott got that argument during his days at Westminster Seminary.  Its the standard Covenantal reading of that text.  He's kept it because its solid exegesis and it fits the Roman Catholic view.

But I bring it up to point out that its not just the Orthodox and Rome, its the Orthodox, Rome, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, Calvinism, Methodism, and all particular and Covenantal/Reformed Baptists who teach that.  Evangelicals who believe in Dispensationalism and Chiliasm are a tiny minority in terms of world Christianity, and their particular view doesn't antedate the 19th Century.  

It does make for compelling fictional drama however.  Just ask Tim LaHaye.

I totally agree. As a former protestant I was in the reformed/covenantal camp. On this topic, there are striking similiarities in regards to the beleif of the "church" as the "new israel" & God's judgement on old israel which relevations & Mathew 24 & Mark 13 deal with. I still have basically retained these beleifs seeing that it has always had much weight in church history. It's pretty obvious also revelations & mathew 24 dealt mostly with God's judgement on old israel & the passing of the mantle onto the "true jews" of the new israel the christian church. I have Scott Hahn's tape series on revelations & it is excellent.
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Sorry to get a little of topic, but a couple of you mentioned you used to be in the Reformed church.  Could you respond to my predestination thread (it's in the Faith section)?  That whole issue has been causing me a lot of trouble as of late.  It would be greatly appreciated. Smiley
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Just to stick up for my alma mater, Scott got that argument during his days at Westminster Seminary.  Its the standard Covenantal reading of that text.  He's kept it because its solid exegesis and it fits the Roman Catholic view.

But I bring it up to point out that its not just the Orthodox and Rome, its the Orthodox, Rome, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, Calvinism, Methodism, and all particular and Covenantal/Reformed Baptists who teach that.  Evangelicals who believe in Dispensationalism and Chiliasm are a tiny minority in terms of world Christianity, and their particular view doesn't antedate the 19th Century.  

It does make for compelling fictional drama however.  Just ask Tim LaHaye.



Unfortunately LaHaye's propaganda has worked on many in those major protestant groups as well.  My foster parents (long story) go to an ELCA church and she has read most of those books.  I hear her mentioning them with other family members (who go to a "Bible" church).  Of course, the parents wouldn't even say they're Lutherans if pressed - just that they're "Christian" and that is where they belong.
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2004, 05:41:08 PM »

So let me get this straight...while one purpose of the state is to protect its citizens, it is not acceptable for the state to protect a particular ethnic/religious group?  

This is silly.  I lived in Brooklyn Heights on 9/11 and I remember the NYPD standing out in front of the local synagogues and walking down Atlantic Ave (major center of Arab life in NYC).  If a citizen receives a threat and gets police protection he/she does not have to reimburse the city for the protection.  We pay taxes to protect citizens.  If the Klan threatens to kill Jewish people, must a synagogue reimburse the city for protection?  Of course not.  

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2004, 06:09:48 PM »

Yeah, Tom, that $0.0003 of your federal tax money could have gone elsewhere than helping to possibly keep some citizens of Maryland away from an elevated level of danger.

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Too much! The Peoples' Republic of Maryland..they can't even grow good Greeks there...Agnew, Sarbanes...

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