Look, yesh, don't let your fear of what may happen keep you from fulfilling your responsibility to back up what you assert on this forum. Let me repeat what biro and I have both said: YOU made the claim, YOU back it up. As it stands now, the only way we're going to think you made this stuff up is if you hold to the status quo by NOT doing anything to back up your claims.
No, you're still asking us to do your dirty work for you. You ask them, then relay to us what they say.
Well, give them to us, and let us decide how credible they are.
The point of the ecumenism comment was because the OCA gets payoffs by the WCC.Payoffs by the WCC? What kind of payoffs?
I'm sorry, but this is a charge you're going to have to prove.
I say payoffs... Because I feel they sold themselves out to the WCC and ecumenism. Also they have been the benefactors of money from the NCC. Rather than making me prove it where web sites would be called "a blog" or discredited, research it with google at sites you'd find appropriate for information. I mean this stuff is not secretive or anything. It's known. Some of the old school ROCOR people (before ROCOR accepted ecumenism) probably know about this info.
They would call it "donations or funding". There has been a lot of money transferred, and I'm sure there are others on this forum who know about this as well.
No, you made the claim, you show your work.
Thank goodness you didn't decide to become an attorney. You don't know what libel is.
What source would satisfy you?
I've been told on this forum
1) Wikipedia is not a source
2) Internet sites are not a source
3) Blogs are not a source
4) Some web site of some guy is not a source
Well, guess what, all I can do is give web sites.
But I've witnessed this. It's not secretive either. There are people on this forum that absolutely know that the WCC gives money to the OCA.Name them.
It's not like this big bad secret that I'm making claim to. If you don't know about it, you haven't looked into the WCC much. It may even state it on the WCC web site. Look around. Use google. No, you made the claim, you back it up. We're not going to do your job for you just because you're too lazy to do it yourself.
I'll give you the best source I can.
Go there. There is a contact button. You can simply email them and ask them about donations from the WCC to the OCA. From the "mouth" of WCC should satisfy a source. A web site could easily be shot down again or discredited. If you really want to know, ask them. They are pretty open about stuff... It's not a big secret guys... This information was open in the 80's into the 90's.
Heh, its a simple email, direct from the source. The worst they could do is bite you. It's not dirty work, it was very open and known. I bet ya they won't send thugs to your place to break your knees
The thing is if I relayed, then responses could be like "yeah right or you made it up". If any of you care to do it, you have it directly from the source.
I've backed up so much stuff on here, only to have sources routinely slapped.
Email them. It's faster than responding on the forum. I witnessed it, and I don't need to prove it to myself. Nobody believes sources I cite anyway... Including sources such as Wikipedia. Shall I paste at least 20 examples since joining this forum examples of people discrediting my sources, including BISHOPS who were ordained. Such as when I posted Archbishop Gregory in CO, and people all go "he's a radical, and that doesn't count". When I cite sources such as Wikipedia "It's a dumb web site and doesn't count".
So no, if you are going to believe I made it up, I guess I don't care because I know the truth. I witnessed it happen with my own two eyes. So, all it takes is a simple email. Here I'll type it up for you. Just so any source I may give you won't be the subject of scrutiny and ridicule.
I already gave the link for the WCC site. All you have to do is click the "contact us" button and paste this.
I am curious if the WCC ever makes contributions to its members financially. I'm also specifically curious if the WCC ever contributes or has contributed financially to the Orthodox Church in America. Has the WCC ever contributed financially to the OCA since its membership in 1953?
It's not a big secret. I'm not giving links, they just get slapped or the author ridiculed. If its a blog, "oh whatever, its just some blog". If I paste a response from them (the WCC) "That's made up". Hear it from them if you so desire. I can state "the sky is blue" without giving a source because I witnessed it. I have nothing to prove, and I know the truth. If you want to know the truth email the source. The WCC is pretty open about stuff. Getting an email from them would be ultimately a definitive source beyond anything I could give.