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« on: February 24, 2012, 08:45:20 PM »

A priest and I were talking one time about some of the ways confession was done in the ancient days of Christianity.   Oftentimes the participant would stand before the entire congregation and make a confession of sins.   The priest asked me if my faith was "that strong" where I could confess in front of everybody... Of course, I met him with a smile and laughter.  But I have to admit, it does eat at me some. Though many sins have been absolved, I'd be curious if any of our faith is strong enough as the ancients?  But here, online, many of us are anonymous to each other (and some not), so arguably, its not as bad... 

Is our faith strong enough, and our repentance strong enough (even after absolution) to announce to everybody on this forum right here and now our WORST SINS that we have ever committed and how much we regret and repent?      Roll Eyes  Now who would like to START?  Grin  Any brave souls?  Come on it's only online to probably mostly anonymous people!!!!  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2012, 08:52:16 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 08:54:54 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 08:57:54 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 09:01:51 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

You started the thread.

What do you want to know. What you think is worst thing most people would judge as the worst? Or what people themselves found to have separated them from God and their neighbor?

You like to be cute around here. Frankly, I find your angle less bothersome than most, but just plain attention seeking.

So quit being cute. You want people to pour out their hearts and you remain oblique.

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 09:02:36 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.


Stop BSing and people might take you more seriously.
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 09:07:40 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.


Stop BSing and people might take you more seriously.

The sin I wear in bouts of Atheism was a direct denial of God and the existence of the Holy Trinity.   I wear this sin heavily, and I regret that I allowed my weakness to be influenced by things that I have read and saw.   I have prayed on this sin for years.
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 09:11:06 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.


Stop BSing and people might take you more seriously.

The sin I wear in bouts of Atheism was a direct denial of God and the existence of the Holy Trinity.   I wear this sin heavily, and I regret that I allowed my weakness to be influenced by things that I have read and saw.   I have prayed on this sin for years.

No heart. But keep lying to yourself.

Ain't you glad you ain't gotta confess to me?
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 09:11:23 PM »

Whenever we hate our brothers or sisters, we have murdered them in our souls.

Whenever we lust after another in our thoughts, we have committed heinous sexual sins.

May the Lord have mercy on us and save us.

We fail in thought, word, and deed, knowingly and unknowingly, deliberately and indeliberately.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 09:14:52 PM »

Tell me, son, how many women have you slept with since your last confession?
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 09:17:13 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.   Any berating or insulting me over it would be correct and deserved.

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.


Stop BSing and people might take you more seriously.

The sin I wear in bouts of Atheism was a direct denial of God and the existence of the Holy Trinity.   I wear this sin heavily, and I regret that I allowed my weakness to be influenced by things that I have read and saw.   I have prayed on this sin for years.

No heart. But keep lying to yourself.

Ain't you glad you ain't gotta confess to me?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.  Any berating or insulting for this would be well deserved.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2012, 09:19:03 PM »

Tell me, son, how many women have you slept with since your last confession?

Sleep with? Absolutely none.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2012, 09:19:49 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.   Any berating or insulting me over it would be correct and deserved.

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.


Stop BSing and people might take you more seriously.

The sin I wear in bouts of Atheism was a direct denial of God and the existence of the Holy Trinity.   I wear this sin heavily, and I regret that I allowed my weakness to be influenced by things that I have read and saw.   I have prayed on this sin for years.

No heart. But keep lying to yourself.

Ain't you glad you ain't gotta confess to me?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.  Any berating or insulting for this would be well deserved.

Have you made an appointment with an Orthodox Priest?
That would be the best action.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2012, 09:21:31 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.   Any berating or insulting me over it would be correct and deserved.

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.


Stop BSing and people might take you more seriously.

The sin I wear in bouts of Atheism was a direct denial of God and the existence of the Holy Trinity.   I wear this sin heavily, and I regret that I allowed my weakness to be influenced by things that I have read and saw.   I have prayed on this sin for years.

No heart. But keep lying to yourself.

Ain't you glad you ain't gotta confess to me?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.  Any berating or insulting for this would be well deserved.

Have you made an appointment with an Orthodox Priest?
That would be the best action.

I'll take a scintilla of sincerity or humor.

Either will do.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 09:26:59 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.   Any berating or insulting me over it would be correct and deserved.

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.


Stop BSing and people might take you more seriously.

The sin I wear in bouts of Atheism was a direct denial of God and the existence of the Holy Trinity.   I wear this sin heavily, and I regret that I allowed my weakness to be influenced by things that I have read and saw.   I have prayed on this sin for years.

No heart. But keep lying to yourself.

Ain't you glad you ain't gotta confess to me?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.  Any berating or insulting for this would be well deserved.

Have you made an appointment with an Orthodox Priest?
That would be the best action.

I'll take a scintilla of sincerity or humor.

Either will do.

James 5:16
Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.


I don't know why I allowed myself to be influenced in that time of the atheist arguments.  I feel that at that time I betrayed God heavily.  Though it was well over a decade ago, I've confessed this to many people, and still pray on the issue and regret it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 09:29:48 PM »

A priest and I were talking one time about some of the ways confession was done in the ancient days of Christianity.   Oftentimes the participant would stand before the entire congregation and make a confession of sins.   The priest asked me if my faith was "that strong" where I could confess in front of everybody... Of course, I met him with a smile and laughter.  But I have to admit, it does eat at me some. Though many sins have been absolved, I'd be curious if any of our faith is strong enough as the ancients?  But here, online, many of us are anonymous to each other (and some not), so arguably, its not as bad... 

Is our faith strong enough, and our repentance strong enough (even after absolution) to announce to everybody on this forum right here and now our WORST SINS that we have ever committed and how much we regret and repent?      Roll Eyes  Now who would like to START?  Grin  Any brave souls?  Come on it's only online to probably mostly anonymous people!!!!  Smiley
There's a reason why the practice of confession to the entire congregation was abandoned in favor of private confession to a priest, and it's probably not what you think.
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2012, 09:33:12 PM »

I've taken "many confessions". You would be surprised at what people think is the "worst" thing they have done versus others.

I've known people who killed others and it was no big deal. And something they said once to another was killing them.

So, what do you want to know?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.   Any berating or insulting me over it would be correct and deserved.

How brave and faithful we are.  Smiley

I'll start with one.  I've had bouts of atheism several times in my life.  Like I just wanted to give up on everything religious at all.   I wanted to believe that I didn't need God, and that when I died it would just be nothing.  I allowed myself to be convinced by things I saw on TV, documentaries I saw, and being stubborn.   I heavily regret it and hope God will forgive me.


Stop BSing and people might take you more seriously.

The sin I wear in bouts of Atheism was a direct denial of God and the existence of the Holy Trinity.   I wear this sin heavily, and I regret that I allowed my weakness to be influenced by things that I have read and saw.   I have prayed on this sin for years.

No heart. But keep lying to yourself.

Ain't you glad you ain't gotta confess to me?

I don't mind if I did confess to you.  Any berating or insulting for this would be well deserved.

Have you made an appointment with an Orthodox Priest?
That would be the best action.

I'll take a scintilla of sincerity or humor.

Either will do.

James 5:16
Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.


I don't know why I allowed myself to be influenced in that time of the atheist arguments.  I feel that at that time I betrayed God heavily.  Though it was well over a decade ago, I've confessed this to many people, and still pray on the issue and regret it.

And yet you remain about as bland an internet persona as ever. No heart. You want others to open themselves to you, try showing a little openness first.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2012, 09:34:54 PM »

A priest and I were talking one time about some of the ways confession was done in the ancient days of Christianity.   Oftentimes the participant would stand before the entire congregation and make a confession of sins.   The priest asked me if my faith was "that strong" where I could confess in front of everybody... Of course, I met him with a smile and laughter.  But I have to admit, it does eat at me some. Though many sins have been absolved, I'd be curious if any of our faith is strong enough as the ancients?  But here, online, many of us are anonymous to each other (and some not), so arguably, its not as bad... 

Is our faith strong enough, and our repentance strong enough (even after absolution) to announce to everybody on this forum right here and now our WORST SINS that we have ever committed and how much we regret and repent?      Roll Eyes  Now who would like to START?  Grin  Any brave souls?  Come on it's only online to probably mostly anonymous people!!!!  Smiley
There's a reason why the practice of confession to the entire congregation was abandoned in favor of private confession to a priest, and it's probably not what you think.
And public confessions were of sins that resulted in excommunication, not your everyday run of the mill sinning.

And I am not going to confess to you jokers, because you would find me both appalling and boring. Mentally I am quite the sinner, but my penchant for sloth has in some ways been a grace.

Tell me, son, how many women have you slept with since your last confession?

Sleep with? Absolutely none.
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2012, 09:35:24 PM »

A priest and I were talking one time about some of the ways confession was done in the ancient days of Christianity.   Oftentimes the participant would stand before the entire congregation and make a confession of sins.   The priest asked me if my faith was "that strong" where I could confess in front of everybody... Of course, I met him with a smile and laughter.  But I have to admit, it does eat at me some. Though many sins have been absolved, I'd be curious if any of our faith is strong enough as the ancients?  But here, online, many of us are anonymous to each other (and some not), so arguably, its not as bad... 

Is our faith strong enough, and our repentance strong enough (even after absolution) to announce to everybody on this forum right here and now our WORST SINS that we have ever committed and how much we regret and repent?      Roll Eyes  Now who would like to START?  Grin  Any brave souls?  Come on it's only online to probably mostly anonymous people!!!!  Smiley
There's a reason why the practice of confession to the entire congregation was abandoned in favor of private confession to a priest, and it's probably not what you think.

It was never abandoned. It says so in the Bible. Or at least it doesn't say that it was. Cogito ergo sum!
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2012, 09:37:19 PM »

This isn't a good idea. Too tempting for people to puff themselves up (either with their sin or lack thereof). It's between a person and his or her confessor (and most importantly, God, who sees all).

PS If THAT'S your worst, yeshuaisiam, you would be part of the "lack thereof" category. I go through that every other day. See! I'm bragging!
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2012, 09:39:47 PM »

This isn't a good idea. Too tempting for people to puff themselves up (either with their sin or lack thereof). It's between a person and his or her confessor (and most importantly, God, who sees all).

PS If THAT'S your worst, yeshuaisiam, you would be part of the "lack thereof" category. I go through that every other day. See! I'm bragging!

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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2012, 09:45:13 PM »

This isn't a good idea. Too tempting for people to puff themselves up (either with their sin or lack thereof). It's between a person and his or her confessor (and most importantly, God, who sees all).

PS If THAT'S your worst, yeshuaisiam, you would be part of the "lack thereof" category. I go through that every other day. See! I'm bragging!

Well, its one of my worst.

Another would be that over 15 years ago, my brother (yes real brother), called me and asked for me to fund an abortion between him and his girlfriend.  While I was very against abortion and had the money, I did not give it to him.  But I tried to remain a "cool brother", and did not emphasize for him not to do it.  I didn't explain the scriptures of God knowing the child before he formed it in the womb.  I do feel to this day had I had not been such a "punk" worrying about "what's cool" or "what's not", and heavily emphasized the reason not to kill the baby, that I would have had a niece or nephew in this world today.   I pray on this all the time brothers and sisters, and for the soul of the reposed baby.
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2012, 09:46:47 PM »

This isn't a good idea. Too tempting for people to puff themselves up (either with their sin or lack thereof). It's between a person and his or her confessor (and most importantly, God, who sees all).

PS If THAT'S your worst, yeshuaisiam, you would be part of the "lack thereof" category. I go through that every other day. See! I'm bragging!

Well, its one of my worst.

Another would be that over 15 years ago, my brother (yes real brother), called me and asked for me to fund an abortion between him and his girlfriend.  While I was very against abortion and had the money, I did not give it to him.  But I tried to remain a "cool brother", and did not emphasize for him not to do it.  I didn't explain the scriptures of God knowing the child before he formed it in the womb.  I do feel to this day had I had not been such a "punk" worrying about "what's cool" or "what's not", and heavily emphasized the reason not to kill the baby, that I would have had a niece or nephew in this world today.   I pray on this all the time brothers and sisters, and for the soul of the reposed baby.

You are getting warmer, but no cigar (yes I am aware of the polysemy, I said I was a jerk).
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2012, 09:48:14 PM »

This thread is a bad idea. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 09:57:57 PM »

This thread is a bad idea. 

You think?
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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 10:06:06 PM »

Could we imagine a church where the congregation as brothers and sisters, spilled out their hearts and souls to one another in their weakness and confessed to one another as it was early on?

James 5:16 Confess therefore your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The supplication of a righteous man availeth much in its working.

Then after the confession, the church congregation would humble itself again and:
John 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet.

Anyway, I am a sinner, and those two things I just admitted to everybody here are two of some of my worst sins.   I think I'm going to try to confess these things more often to people that I am near.   
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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2012, 10:08:52 PM »

I once had an egg during Great Lent. I always weep calling to remembrance that sin.
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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 10:16:32 PM »

Could we imagine a church where the congregation as brothers and sisters, spilled out their hearts and souls to one another in their weakness and confessed to one another as it was early on?

Yes, I go to such a parish. People develop relationships and such things happen, believe it or not. We just don't take the mic and freestyle it every Sunday during the celebration of the Death and Resurrection and Ascension and Second Coming and Eternal Reigning of the Messiah.

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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2012, 10:18:06 PM »

The Epistle of James says that if we have broken one commandment, we have broken them all; therefore, there is no such thing as one list being worse than the other.
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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2012, 10:22:10 PM »

Could we imagine a church where the congregation as brothers and sisters, spilled out their hearts and souls to one another in their weakness and confessed to one another as it was early on?

Yes, I go to such a parish. People develop relationships and such things happen, believe it or not. We just don't take the mic and freestyle it every Sunday during the celebration of the Death and Resurrection and Ascension and Second Coming and Eternal Reigning of the Messiah.


Cool, do you humble yourselves before each other and wash each other's feet?
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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 10:22:30 PM »

Yeshuaisiam, you have deluded yourself.  When you left the Church you turned from worship of Christ to the worship of self.  Your thinking is all mixed up.  You are all over the place.  Your ever-fracturing mind can only find healing in the Church.  
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2012, 10:25:21 PM »

Could we imagine a church where the congregation as brothers and sisters, spilled out their hearts and souls to one another in their weakness and confessed to one another as it was early on? 

Such a church would be amazing. However, a public internet forum is not that church. I'm glad I'll get extra opportunities during Lent to confess my sins to Almighty God with my priest present as witness on behalf of the Church.
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2012, 10:26:33 PM »

And once, unwittingly, had a cookie that contained some milk and eggs. This sin of mine was revealed to my Spiritual Father, Elder Onuphrius the Stylite, the clairvoyant, otherwise it would have been a dangerous thing to carry through the aerial tolls.
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2012, 10:27:01 PM »

Yeshuaisiam, you have deluded yourself.  When you left the Church you turned from worship of Christ to the worship of self.  Your thinking is all mixed up.  You are all over the place.  Your ever-fracturing mind can only find healing in the Church.  

My worship and my God is the Father in heaven, YHWH, and his son, Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ, and the holy spirit.  

The open confession was practiced in the early church where you laid out your sins before your brothers and sisters in Christ.
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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2012, 10:33:48 PM »

Yeshuaisiam, you have deluded yourself.  When you left the Church you turned from worship of Christ to the worship of self.  Your thinking is all mixed up.  You are all over the place.  Your ever-fracturing mind can only find healing in the Church.  

Agreed. I would also add that his constant appeal to ideal Christianity is in reality an attempt  to justify himself. Something like "The Church is not perfect. No one is perfect. But, at least I am striving to define and reach perfection." As a result, he is not going anywhere.
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2012, 10:39:02 PM »

And once, unwittingly, had a cookie that contained some milk and eggs. This sin of mine was revealed to my Spiritual Father, Elder Onuphrius the Stylite, the clairvoyant, otherwise it would have been a dangerous thing to carry through the aerial tolls.
Once, a raindrop fell into my mouth as I was walking into Church, and I communed that day. My priest at the time told me it was ok, but I knew better; he was a heretic, and Satan was trying to trick me through his liberal ways.

For this horrible sin, I have wept tears of contrition for thirty years. Ten more years shall likely pass before I once again feel worthy of communion.
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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2012, 10:57:27 PM »

Even though I love Pelagianism and idea of sinlessness, I am not sinless... Sad

My sins include atheism, lusting(masturbation), morally(but not spiritually) justified semi-hatred of some people and laziness... (And liking some heretics like Theodore and Aetius. Cheesy)


On the other hand, I have never violated 10 commandments, except in early childhood(like stealing stupid things and making mother angry)...

My greatest mistake was becoming an atheist and engulfing into laziness... If I stayed, I could have become 99% sinless, but I didn't want to be in the Church which violated the canons, had become liberal and the so-called Christians in the society committed lots of sins, with justification: "no one is sinless, just have fun, priest will forgive"... And I always prefered moral perfection...

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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2012, 11:02:34 PM »

Yeshuaisiam, you have deluded yourself.  When you left the Church you turned from worship of Christ to the worship of self.  Your thinking is all mixed up.  You are all over the place.  Your ever-fracturing mind can only find healing in the Church.  

Agreed. I would also add that his constant appeal to ideal Christianity is in reality an attempt  to justify himself. Something like "The Church is not perfect. No one is perfect. But, at least I am striving to define and reach perfection." As a result, he is not going anywhere.

If the scriptures are delusional, the practice of early Christians confessing in front of others is delusional, then I am guilty as charged.   Confession in front of one another as foot washing, is a lesson in humbleness and humility.  Neither of which the EO laymen will engage in.  It also grants bonds between the brothers and sisters in the church.   It helps us to turn from sin, as our sins will be made known to all and not just absolved in privacy.

I do not believe the EO faith is perfect (even the EO have more arguments and schisms than a bail of hay has straw) (guilty as charged).  I do not believe that anybody is perfect, much including myself (guilty as charged).   I am striving to find something that once existed in Christianity, yet no longer does.

But I disagree, I'm going somewhere, and God will be the judge of that destination.
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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2012, 11:09:27 PM »


If the scriptures are delusional, the practice of early Christians confessing in front of others is delusional, then I am guilty as charged.   Confession in front of one another as foot washing, is a lesson in humbleness and humility.  Neither of which the EO laymen will engage in.  It also grants bonds between the brothers and sisters in the church.   It helps us to turn from sin, as our sins will be made known to all and not just absolved in privacy.


I agree to this. But then it should be mandatory for everyone to tell their their sins in public, which will often get people into other sin - sin of lying.

In general, this is not the cure for the lay people in lot of societies... Unless they become pure spiritually, there is no way you can make them better with such confessions.
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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2012, 11:11:50 PM »

Could we imagine a church where the congregation as brothers and sisters, spilled out their hearts and souls to one another in their weakness and confessed to one another as it was early on?
Yes, I go to such a parish. People develop relationships and such things happen, believe it or not. We just don't take the mic and freestyle it every Sunday during the celebration of the Death and Resurrection and Ascension and Second Coming and Eternal Reigning of the Messiah.
Cool, do you humble yourselves before each other and wash each other's feet?

He can start with mine. They're pretty disgusting, especially considering I'm working saturday night this week and will be wearing boots all night.

And to answer your question, the point of absolution and forgiveness is to not bring them up like this.
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« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2012, 11:18:32 PM »

Even though I love Pelagianism and idea of sinlessness, I am not sinless... Sad

My sins include atheism, lusting(masturbation), morally(but not spiritually) justified semi-hatred of some people and laziness... (And liking some heretics like Theodore and Aetius. Cheesy)


On the other hand, I have never violated 10 commandments, except in early childhood(like stealing stupid things and making mother angry)...

My greatest mistake was becoming an atheist and engulfing into laziness... If I stayed, I could have become 99% sinless, but I didn't want to be in the Church which violated the canons, had become liberal and the so-called Christians in the society committed lots of sins, with justification: "no one is sinless, just have fun, priest will forgive"... And I always prefered moral perfection...



My brother, I too am guilty of liking some of the heretical teachings along with heretics.  At times I would justify these things to myself.  I have also broken many of the 10 commandments especially early on as have you.  I have shown disrespect many times towards my parents especially as a teen when I've stolen things a few times, I've taken the Lord's name in vain more times than I can remember.

I also as stated previously, have bouts with atheism.

I've also violated the two greatest commandments in my atheism as I did not love the Lord...  

At one time my reaction to my home being burglarized was to become horrendously racist and had a hatred towards black people, who are my brothers and sisters.   Rather than extending my hand in forgiveness, turning the cheek, and love - I reacted in hatred, anger, and it left me as a racist for many years.   The bouts of atheism were for very short durations, but the racism extended for a very long time.  I refused to see black people as the children of God who we are supposed to love, but rather in a racist stereotype, where all I could see were dishonest and violent criminals.  I've repented and prayed for this sin for a long time.

I just can't believe how ironic it is that when I was calling myself a Christian and was studying the scriptures so much seeking fulfillment, I was really so hollow inside, hating those who were formed by God.   It was a long journey for me and often pray for forgiveness for my hatred and weak faith by not following the advice of the word.

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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2012, 11:21:48 PM »

Could we imagine a church where the congregation as brothers and sisters, spilled out their hearts and souls to one another in their weakness and confessed to one another as it was early on?
Yes, I go to such a parish. People develop relationships and such things happen, believe it or not. We just don't take the mic and freestyle it every Sunday during the celebration of the Death and Resurrection and Ascension and Second Coming and Eternal Reigning of the Messiah.
Cool, do you humble yourselves before each other and wash each other's feet?

He can start with mine. They're pretty disgusting, especially considering I'm working saturday night this week and will be wearing boots all night.

And to answer your question, the point of absolution and forgiveness is to not bring them up like this.

Disgusting is fine, of course the point of foot washing isn't to make feet clean... But I think you know that.
Absolution & Forgiveness does not mean that one can not repent, and still confess.

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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2012, 11:22:46 PM »

Such a church would be amazing. However, a public internet forum is not that church. I'm glad I'll get extra opportunities during Lent to confess my sins to Almighty God with my priest present as witness on behalf of the Church.
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2012, 11:27:33 PM »


If the scriptures are delusional, the practice of early Christians confessing in front of others is delusional, then I am guilty as charged.   Confession in front of one another as foot washing, is a lesson in humbleness and humility.  Neither of which the EO laymen will engage in.  It also grants bonds between the brothers and sisters in the church.   It helps us to turn from sin, as our sins will be made known to all and not just absolved in privacy.


I agree to this. But then it should be mandatory for everyone to tell their their sins in public, which will often get people into other sin - sin of lying.

In general, this is not the cure for the lay people in lot of societies... Unless they become pure spiritually, there is no way you can make them better with such confessions.

I wonder what it would be like if it was not mandatory, but rather an expression of humbleness to one another.  An expression that not only shows the repentance of the sins, but puts a person below or on the level of everybody else.   It would be interesting to be in a church where 75% of the people confessed out loud, despite the sin, and 25% did not.

I wonder if the bond between those who confessed to the 100% of everybody (25% and 75%) would be so much stronger.  The 25% would see their humbleness and repentance and know of their own sins, and the 75% would be accepting them as a fellow sinner who made themselves lower.  The humility of the 75% would extend to the 100%, but the 25% would be left feeling more empty, as their sins were not shared with their brethren.   It would probably resonate in their minds that they were not repentant enough.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2012, 11:51:24 PM »

He can start with mine. They're pretty disgusting, especially considering I'm working saturday night this week and will be wearing boots all night.

I'll be getting a mani-pedi tomorrow as not to scandalize you. Oopppsss.
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