Author Topic: Happy Ash Wednesday!  (Read 1537 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Timon

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,725
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: OCA
Happy Ash Wednesday!
« on: February 22, 2012, 12:01:20 PM »
Just wanted to say Happy Ash Wednesday to any fellow westerners out there. :)
Even if we have thousands of acts of great virtue to our credit, our confidence in being heard must be based on God's mercy and His love for men. Even if we stand at the very summit of virtue, it is by mercy that we shall be saved.

— Chrysostom

BLOG

Offline Ortho_cat

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 5,392
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 12:03:56 PM »
what is the origin of this observance?

Offline J Michael

  • Older than dirt; dumber than a box of rocks; colossally ignorant; a little crazy ;-)
  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 10,612
  • Lord, have mercy! I live under a rock. Alleluia!
  • Faith: Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Eparchy of Passaic
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 12:13:49 PM »
"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire.  May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian

"Sometimes you're the windshield.  Sometimes you're the bug." ~ Mark Knopfler (?)

Offline J Michael

  • Older than dirt; dumber than a box of rocks; colossally ignorant; a little crazy ;-)
  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 10,612
  • Lord, have mercy! I live under a rock. Alleluia!
  • Faith: Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Eparchy of Passaic
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 12:16:45 PM »
Just wanted to say Happy Ash Wednesday to any fellow westerners out there. :)

As it is a day of penance and repentance, I'm not sure "happy" is the right word  ;), but the sentiment is understood and, I'm sure, appreciated. 
"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire.  May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian

"Sometimes you're the windshield.  Sometimes you're the bug." ~ Mark Knopfler (?)

Offline Peter J

  • Formerly PJ
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,292
  • Faith: Melkite Catholic
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 12:27:33 PM »
Thanks Timon.
- Peter Jericho (a CAF poster)

Offline biro

  • Excelsior
  • Site Supporter
  • Hoplitarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 16,995
  • Chapter one again, here I go again
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: GOAA
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 02:20:44 PM »
what is the origin of this observance?

Also, the story of Nineveh. "Repent in sackcloth and ashes..." It worked for them.  ;)

Offline Papist

  • Patriarch of Pontification
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 13,114
  • Truth, Justice, and the American Way!
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 02:36:33 PM »
Thank you Timon.
My posts no longer forum here.

Offline Timon

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,725
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: OCA
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 03:35:08 PM »
yes, I realize that "happy" isnt the best word to describe this day, but you know what I mean!
Even if we have thousands of acts of great virtue to our credit, our confidence in being heard must be based on God's mercy and His love for men. Even if we stand at the very summit of virtue, it is by mercy that we shall be saved.

— Chrysostom

BLOG

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2012, 03:51:16 PM »
This might be time for the RCs to explain the differences in the day around the world.

The Jesuits I stayed with in Europe in the German Speaking World received the ashes sprinkled atop their head in the shape of the Cross.

I dunno, if there are other differences from the smearing of ash on the forehead.

What is the ash made of?
« Last Edit: February 22, 2012, 03:51:33 PM by orthonorm »
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline J Michael

  • Older than dirt; dumber than a box of rocks; colossally ignorant; a little crazy ;-)
  • Merarches
  • ***********
  • Posts: 10,612
  • Lord, have mercy! I live under a rock. Alleluia!
  • Faith: Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Eparchy of Passaic
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2012, 03:54:51 PM »
This might be time for the RCs to explain the differences in the day around the world.

The Jesuits I stayed with in Europe in the German Speaking World received the ashes sprinkled atop their head in the shape of the Cross.

I dunno, if there are other differences from the smearing of ash on the forehead.

What is the ash made of?

See the link posted in reply #2 above.
"May Thy Cross, O Lord, in which I seek refuge, be for me a bridge across the great river of fire.  May I pass along it to the habitation of life." ~St. Ephraim the Syrian

"Sometimes you're the windshield.  Sometimes you're the bug." ~ Mark Knopfler (?)

Offline biro

  • Excelsior
  • Site Supporter
  • Hoplitarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 16,995
  • Chapter one again, here I go again
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: GOAA
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2012, 03:56:37 PM »
A peaceful and successful Lent to all.   :angel:

Offline orthonorm

  • Hoplitarches
  • *************
  • Posts: 17,275
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2012, 03:56:51 PM »
This might be time for the RCs to explain the differences in the day around the world.

The Jesuits I stayed with in Europe in the German Speaking World received the ashes sprinkled atop their head in the shape of the Cross.

I dunno, if there are other differences from the smearing of ash on the forehead.

What is the ash made of?

See the link posted in reply #2 above.

Missed that.
If you have PMed me, the mods have taken my ability to PM away. Please see my email if you wish to contact me during my time of trial.

Offline Peter J

  • Formerly PJ
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,292
  • Faith: Melkite Catholic
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2012, 03:59:02 PM »
What is the ash made of?

Growing up, I learned it's from the palms from last Palm Sunday. I assume that's still true.
- Peter Jericho (a CAF poster)

Offline Timon

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,725
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: OCA
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2012, 03:59:45 PM »
What is the ash made of?

Growing up, I learned it's from the palms from last Palm Sunday. I assume that's still true.

It is. 
Even if we have thousands of acts of great virtue to our credit, our confidence in being heard must be based on God's mercy and His love for men. Even if we stand at the very summit of virtue, it is by mercy that we shall be saved.

— Chrysostom

BLOG

Offline Marc1152

  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 14,438
  • Probiotic .. Antibiotic
  • Jurisdiction: Rocor
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2012, 11:41:24 PM »
Just wanted to say Happy Ash Wednesday to any fellow westerners out there. :)

Shouldn't it be "Merry" Ash Wednesday?
Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm

Offline serb1389

  • Lord, remember me when you come into your Kingdom!
  • Global Moderator
  • Merarches
  • ******
  • Posts: 8,620
  • Michał Kalina's biggest fan
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2012, 11:44:14 PM »
would it be appropriate for ANYONE to receive the ashes? 
I got nothing.
I forgot the maps
March 27th and May 30th 2010 were my Ordination dates, please forgive everything before that

Offline Benjamin the Red

  • Recovering Calvinist
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,601
  • Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me.
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2012, 11:51:34 PM »
would it be appropriate for ANYONE to receive the ashes? 

There are certain western traditions I enjoy, and Ash Wednesday is one of them. I attended the local Catholic parish today and received ashes.

Remember, O man, that thou art dust and unto dust shalt thou return.
"Hades is not a place, no, but a state of the soul. It begins here on earth. Just so, paradise begins in the soul of a man here in the earthly life. Here we already have contact with the divine..." -St. John, Wonderworker of Shanghai and San Francisco, Homily On the Sunday of Orthodoxy

Offline Papist

  • Patriarch of Pontification
  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 13,114
  • Truth, Justice, and the American Way!
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2012, 11:53:41 PM »
What is the ash made of?

Growing up, I learned it's from the palms from last Palm Sunday. I assume that's still true.

It is. 
Yep
My posts no longer forum here.

Offline William

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 4,354
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2012, 11:57:20 PM »
would it be appropriate for ANYONE to receive the ashes? 

There are certain western traditions I enjoy, and Ash Wednesday is one of them. I attended the local Catholic parish today and received ashes.

Remember, O man, that thou art dust and unto dust shalt thou return.

I would have, but I wasn't comfortable when the lay minister had everyone in the church extend their hands and bless the ashes (no priest involved).

I did appreciate the OT reading from Joel, though.

How does Ash Wednesday work in the WRO?
Apart from moral conduct, all that man thinks himself able to do in order to become acceptable to God is mere superstition and religious folly. - Immanuel Kant

Offline Benjamin the Red

  • Recovering Calvinist
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,601
  • Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me.
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2012, 12:56:11 AM »
I would have, but I wasn't comfortable when the lay minister had everyone in the church extend their hands and bless the ashes (no priest involved).

What?? That doesn't sound like a Catholic parish to me...Besides, they also serve the Mass on Ash Wednesday...have to have a priest for that...

I did appreciate the OT reading from Joel, though.

It was nice. I'm having trouble remembering now...was it the same one we read tonight at Vespers?
"Hades is not a place, no, but a state of the soul. It begins here on earth. Just so, paradise begins in the soul of a man here in the earthly life. Here we already have contact with the divine..." -St. John, Wonderworker of Shanghai and San Francisco, Homily On the Sunday of Orthodoxy

Offline Wyatt

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,457
  • Faith: Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Latin Church
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2012, 12:56:17 AM »
How does Ash Wednesday work in the WRO?
Basically the same except the ashes are leavened.

Offline NicholasMyra

  • Avowed denominationalist
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,418
  • Nepsis or Sepsis™
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian+Greek
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2012, 01:18:17 AM »
How does Ash Wednesday work in the WRO?
Basically the same except the ashes are leavened.

Clean Monday was clearly another instance of Orthodoxy conspiratorially defining itself in opposition to the Vatican.

I mean, you guys get all dirty with ash. We get clean.


« Last Edit: February 23, 2012, 01:20:14 AM by NicholasMyra »
Quote from: Orthonorm
if Christ does and says x. And someone else does and says not x and you are ever in doubt, follow Christ.

Πάντα μὲν καθαρὰ τοῖς καθαροῖς
Τοῖς δὲ μεμιασμένοις καὶ ἀπίστοις οὐδὲν καθαρόν

Offline Cognomen

  • Site Supporter
  • OC.net guru
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,972
  • Ungrateful Biped
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2012, 03:39:49 AM »
I attended the local Catholic parish today and received ashes.

Probably not in the spirit of the thread, but this seems odd to me.  Why would you do this?
North American Eastern Orthodox Parish Council Delegate for the Canonization of Saints Twin Towers and Pentagon, as well as the Propagation of the Doctrine of the Assumption of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (NAEOPCDCSTTPPDAMAFM®).

Offline Peter J

  • Formerly PJ
  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 6,292
  • Faith: Melkite Catholic
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2012, 08:52:59 AM »
I would have, but I wasn't comfortable when the lay minister had everyone in the church extend their hands and bless the ashes (no priest involved).

What?? That doesn't sound like a Catholic parish to me...

I would guess that it wasn't. Maybe William can enlighten us.
- Peter Jericho (a CAF poster)

Offline Benjamin the Red

  • Recovering Calvinist
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,601
  • Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me.
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2012, 12:38:23 PM »
I attended the local Catholic parish today and received ashes.

Probably not in the spirit of the thread, but this seems odd to me.  Why would you do this?

Because there are certain traditions of the West that I hold dear to my heart, and Ash Wednesday is one of those. If there were a local WRO parish, I would've went there instead, but unfortunately that is not the case.
"Hades is not a place, no, but a state of the soul. It begins here on earth. Just so, paradise begins in the soul of a man here in the earthly life. Here we already have contact with the divine..." -St. John, Wonderworker of Shanghai and San Francisco, Homily On the Sunday of Orthodoxy

Offline William

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 4,354
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2012, 09:41:00 PM »
I would have, but I wasn't comfortable when the lay minister had everyone in the church extend their hands and bless the ashes (no priest involved).

What?? That doesn't sound like a Catholic parish to me...

I would guess that it wasn't. Maybe William can enlighten us.

It was a prayer service at a Catholic high school. No priest or Mass.
Apart from moral conduct, all that man thinks himself able to do in order to become acceptable to God is mere superstition and religious folly. - Immanuel Kant

Offline William

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 4,354
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2012, 11:05:57 PM »
I did appreciate the OT reading from Joel, though.

It was nice. I'm having trouble remembering now...was it the same one we read tonight at Vespers?

You mean this? No, but interesting coincidence. I didn't realize that the Byzantine rite ever liturgically read Joel.

This was the reading from the NO lectionary yesterday: http://www.ewtn.com/vbible/search.asp?abbr=Joel&ch=2&bv1=12&ev1=18

Just curious, Benjamin, do you think you might do the same thing you did with Ash Wednesday with the Stations of the Cross? I've been thinking of going to a traditional Catholic parish in town for the Stations.
Apart from moral conduct, all that man thinks himself able to do in order to become acceptable to God is mere superstition and religious folly. - Immanuel Kant

Offline Benjamin the Red

  • Recovering Calvinist
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,601
  • Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me.
Re: Happy Ash Wednesday!
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2012, 11:19:33 PM »
I did appreciate the OT reading from Joel, though.

It was nice. I'm having trouble remembering now...was it the same one we read tonight at Vespers?

You mean this? No, but interesting coincidence. I didn't realize that the Byzantine rite ever liturgically read Joel.

This was the reading from the NO lectionary yesterday: http://www.ewtn.com/vbible/search.asp?abbr=Joel&ch=2&bv1=12&ev1=18

Just curious, Benjamin, do you think you might do the same thing you did with Ash Wednesday with the Stations of the Cross? I've been thinking of going to a traditional Catholic parish in town for the Stations.

Honestly, I hadn't thought about it! By that time, I'm usually absorbed in our own Lenten services (after all, the 12 Passion Gospels is essentially our own "Stations of the Cross" service).
"Hades is not a place, no, but a state of the soul. It begins here on earth. Just so, paradise begins in the soul of a man here in the earthly life. Here we already have contact with the divine..." -St. John, Wonderworker of Shanghai and San Francisco, Homily On the Sunday of Orthodoxy