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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2012, 08:48:09 PM »
The conspiracy theorist in me certainly thought the same thing.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 08:50:02 PM »
Also note the masonic pillars.

What makes the pillars particularly masonic?

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It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

That would involve too much intelligence. You could say that they worship stupidity, which is satanic in its own way. If the entertainment industry really were controlled by a vast Satanic cult, it would be much easier to identify Satan's influence in the world. He's more clever than you give him credit for. He works best through lame, banal crap that permeates everyday life. To be a disciple of Satan doesn't require any rituals or incantations, you just need to engage in self-worship and there are endless varieties to choose from.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 08:53:41 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?

This is not a conspiracy, nor is it satanic or masonic. Is it wrong? Yes... Is it irreverent? Yes...

The choice of everything in that performance is very intentional, she wasn't mocking icons, she is mocking the Roman Catholic Church, maybe even religion in general.

There is not a conspiracy within the music industry or anything like that. She simply wants shock value and to stick it to society and what some people consider respectable and reverent.

She stands for immorality and vice, and promotes it in her music. It isn't about her being part of some conspiracy, satanic cult or anything like that. It's simply her being who she is, and desiring to shock people and cause people to talk about her and her music.

I once had someone tell me they believed the music industry was run by the Jews who put patterns, beats, etc... in the music to perform mind control and get people to do drugs and kill themselves. There are some really crazy ideas out there, don't believe them.

Again, please, for the love of God, don't get your ideas from Wikipedia, YouTube or private online websites.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 08:58:39 PM »
Also note the masonic pillars.

What makes the pillars particularly masonic?

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It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

That would involve too much intelligence. You could say that they worship stupidity, which is satanic in its own way. If the entertainment industry really were controlled by a vast Satanic cult, it would be much easier to identify Satan's influence in the world. He's more clever than you give him credit for. He works best through lame, banal crap that permeates everyday life. To be a disciple of Satan doesn't require any rituals or incantations, you just need to engage in self-worship and there are endless varieties to choose from.

Google "masonic pillar".

I haven't given a broad definition for his works and do believe that he permeates through many venues both complex and lame.   However, in consideration at one time people were shocked because Elvis shook his hips on TV, today we have blatant mockery of Iconography, clergy, and some would consider the "video" a satanic ritual.  

Believe me brother, I'm not trying to start a debate.  This is blatant & obvious evil and a slap in the face to the church & Christians.  I'm just sharing & helping to expose it.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 09:00:58 PM »
Google "masonic pillar".

Um, no. There is nothing particularly masonic about those pillars.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 09:01:39 PM »
Also note the masonic pillars.

What makes the pillars particularly masonic?

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It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

That would involve too much intelligence. You could say that they worship stupidity, which is satanic in its own way. If the entertainment industry really were controlled by a vast Satanic cult, it would be much easier to identify Satan's influence in the world. He's more clever than you give him credit for. He works best through lame, banal crap that permeates everyday life. To be a disciple of Satan doesn't require any rituals or incantations, you just need to engage in self-worship and there are endless varieties to choose from.

Google "masonic pillar".

I haven't given a broad definition for his works and do believe that he permeates through many venues both complex and lame.   However, in consideration at one time people were shocked because Elvis shook his hips on TV, today we have blatant mockery of Iconography, clergy, and some would consider the "video" a satanic ritual.  

Believe me brother, I'm not trying to start a debate.  This is blatant & obvious evil and a slap in the face to the church & Christians.  I'm just sharing & helping to expose it.

huh?

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 09:05:53 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?

This is not a conspiracy, nor is it satanic or masonic. Is it wrong? Yes... Is it irreverent? Yes...

The choice of everything in that performance is very intentional, she wasn't mocking icons, she is mocking the Roman Catholic Church, maybe even religion in general.

There is not a conspiracy within the music industry or anything like that. She simply wants shock value and to stick it to society and what some people consider respectable and reverent.

She stands for immorality and vice, and promotes it in her music. It isn't about her being part of some conspiracy, satanic cult or anything like that. It's simply her being who she is, and desiring to shock people and cause people to talk about her and her music.

I once had someone tell me they believed the music industry was run by the Jews who put patterns, beats, etc... in the music to perform mind control and get people to do drugs and kill themselves. There are some really crazy ideas out there, don't believe them.

Again, please, for the love of God, don't get your ideas from Wikipedia, YouTube or private online websites.

88Devin12 - I think you would be surprised with how many EO Christians and Christians alike would heavily disagree with you and do believe there is conspiracy and masonry within the music industry.

Also, as for sources

1) Wikipedia, go look up "Eastern Orthodox", show me where it is wrong?
2) Youtube, this is NOT something you should diss as an invalid source, as there are a tremendous amount of documentary videos made by experts on different subjects.
3) Private online web sites can have expert publishers.

Private online web sites are not very different from books.
Youtube is a library of videos, some good, some bad, some well researched, some not.
Wikipedia can be very reliable.

Despite this, why the heck does everything turn into a debate on this forum?  I thought people would be more with me and upset over this.  

LOOK, there are icons in the background as blasphemic elements and presentations are present.   My intent is not to debate anybody.  My intent is to spread what the Main Stream Media is BEAMING into your homes.  
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2012, 09:06:37 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

I admit I didn't watch the clip. I don't give a      .

But I would bet anything going on there pillarwise has very little to do with masonry. Maybe carpentry.

When did masonry get such a bad name? Wasn't Our Lord one?
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 09:08:33 PM »
Also note the masonic pillars.

What makes the pillars particularly masonic?

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It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

That would involve too much intelligence. You could say that they worship stupidity, which is satanic in its own way. If the entertainment industry really were controlled by a vast Satanic cult, it would be much easier to identify Satan's influence in the world. He's more clever than you give him credit for. He works best through lame, banal crap that permeates everyday life. To be a disciple of Satan doesn't require any rituals or incantations, you just need to engage in self-worship and there are endless varieties to choose from.

Google "masonic pillar".

I haven't given a broad definition for his works and do believe that he permeates through many venues both complex and lame.   However, in consideration at one time people were shocked because Elvis shook his hips on TV, today we have blatant mockery of Iconography, clergy, and some would consider the "video" a satanic ritual.  

Believe me brother, I'm not trying to start a debate.  This is blatant & obvious evil and a slap in the face to the church & Christians.  I'm just sharing & helping to expose it.

huh?

Do you know what sharing & exposing is?  Sharing is when you have something, information and/or and item, and you pass it along or let somebody borrow.

Exposing is to show something that is hidden, semi hidden, or not very noticeable.   This is like BACKGROUND ICONS.

So I want to help the individuals who posted the video to SHARE and EXPOSE it.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2012, 09:09:30 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

I admit I didn't watch the clip. I don't give a      .

But I would bet anything going on there pillarwise has very little to do with masonry. Maybe carpentry.

When did masonry get such a bad name? Wasn't Our Lord one?

Not unless our Lord Worshiped Lucifer.  Morals and Dogma clearly states "Lucifer is the God of Freemasonry".
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 09:10:51 PM »
The Grammies can do whatever they want, they are not important at all.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 09:11:15 PM »
Do you know what sharing & exposing is?

Calm down a little, man . . .

"Expose and share" as a classroom exercise has been on the way out in many schools districts for sometime. Much to chagrin to many an RC pedarast pedagoge.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 09:11:40 PM »
Yeshuaism, what do you think about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion??

What about the Holocaust?

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 09:12:38 PM »
Not unless our Lord Worshiped Lucifer.  Morals and Dogma clearly states "Lucifer is the God of Freemasonry".

I didn't say He didn't work scale . . .
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2012, 09:12:45 PM »
Wow, I'm stumped.....

Everything is a debate here.  Even icons being mocked on TV.
Guys, look anybody that doubts that Freemasonry is NOT a Luciferian CHURCH is SIMPLY NOT READING the Mason's OWN TEXTS.  
It's PLAIN and SIMPLE!!!!   To argue this fact ONLY SHOWS that arguers simply do NOT know about Masonry at all and/or have not read their texts.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2012, 09:14:51 PM »
Yeshuaism, what do you think about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion??

What about the Holocaust?

What do you think about digressing?

88Devin12, what do you think about blasphemy being presented by the MSM in front of Icons?
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2012, 09:15:48 PM »
Something

Dude, I've bent a little conduit in my time. I can say pretty darn well. We are talking some serious exposed runs.

I don't know nothing about masonry. Sorry.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2012, 09:16:43 PM »
Yeshuaism, what do you think about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion??

What about the Holocaust?

What do you think about digressing?

88Devin12, what do you think about blasphemy being presented by the MSM in front of Icons?

It's sad, but that is what the world does. It's nothing new or special...

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2012, 09:16:56 PM »
Ok,

I guess I should not say anything.  Nevermind.

Let em mock icons, who am I to say? I don't even attend an EO church and I'm more up in arms about it those who call themselves EO Christians.

My love for the church still exists...  Sorry.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2012, 09:19:21 PM »
Ok,

I guess I should not say anything.  Nevermind.

Let em mock icons, who am I to say? I don't even attend an EO church and I'm more up in arms about it those who call themselves EO Christians.

My love for the church still exists...  Sorry.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2012, 09:19:39 PM »
Ok,

I guess I should not say anything.  Nevermind.

Let em mock icons, who am I to say? I don't even attend an EO church and I'm more up in arms about it those who call themselves EO Christians.

My love for the church still exists...  Sorry.

There is nothing you or anyone can do about it do why worry about it? The world is going to do what it is going to do.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2012, 09:25:54 PM »
Seems an appropriate Babylonian ritual to commemorate the fall of another Babylonian idol.



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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2012, 09:32:42 PM »
Seems an appropriate Babylonian ritual to commemorate the fall of another Babylonian idol.



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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2012, 09:41:35 PM »
Seems an appropriate Babylonian ritual to commemorate the fall of another Babylonian idol.



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I'm not smart enough to get most of your witticisms. :-[



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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2012, 10:47:04 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?

you are absolutely correct.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2012, 11:00:21 PM »
I'm more shocked that any of you watched the Grammy Awards. I mean, both my father and brother have been involved in the music industry for a total of about 60 years and counting and I asked my father if he was going to watch it and he said "only after I've done everything else I can think to do with my time." I would think that this is just about the level of attention that any of these spectacles merit. Looking for Masonic or Satanic this-or-that in this kind of show is akin to looking for Satanic messages in your Alfa-Bits cereal. In a past decade, you could have been counted on to provide court testimony against Judas Priest... ::)

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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2012, 11:04:21 PM »
Nicki Minaj and Kanye West both incorporate occultic elements into their music and shows. West especially plays with occultic imagery and seems to have an unusual interest with the devil and the earthly power he wields. I remember when I heard "Niggas in Paris" for the first time. My jaw nearly dropped. I avoid West like the plague now. Whatever he is messing with, I don't want to associate with it in any way. As far as Freemasonry goes, I don't know a thing about it, except that Orthodox Christians shouldn't join any of their fraternal organizations, so I can't speak on that. I will say that I was disturbed though when i focused in and realized I was looking at an Icon of St Paul in that video. Wow!

And for the record: I don't believe in a vast Satanic/Masonic cult that controls the music industry. A lot of artists, whether in music or not, have played with the concept of the devil quite a bit. The image that the West has given him is an interesting one and I get why an artist would want to explore it through their art. I don't think the image is an accurate one, but I also don't think it is harmless. I believe it is unbelievably dangerous.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2012, 11:37:18 PM »
Nicki Minaj and Kanye West both incorporate occultic elements into their music and shows. West especially plays with occultic imagery and seems to have an unusual interest with the devil and the earthly power he wields. I remember when I heard "Niggas in Paris" for the first time. My jaw nearly dropped. I avoid West like the plague now. Whatever he is messing with, I don't want to associate with it in any way.

I looked up that 'song'... sure its pure stupid crap but what about it is occultic?
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2012, 11:51:23 PM »
Hey Jason,

I apologize, but I don't have the time or the patience to substantiate my claim right now, so I retract it. It probably wasn't a good song to use as an example as it requires that I explain the backstory. Actually, I probably shouldn't be posting at all on these sorts of things, considering I no longer have a computer, only my iPhone, and don't have the patience to provide lengthy responses. FYI: I dont listen to that sort of music regularly and don't recommend others do, I just work with teenagers all day and try to stay in touch with what they are exposed to and interested in. :-)
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2012, 12:38:26 AM »

I have no idea who that is, but, those are definitely icons in the background.

....just another reason not to fill your ears with the noise coming from the radio these days.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2012, 12:41:02 AM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?

Can't some music just suck without there having to be a conspiracy about it?

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2012, 12:42:58 AM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Seems an appropriate Babylonian ritual to commemorate the fall of another Babylonian idol.



Selam

You do realize that only Ethiopian gives Babylonian a run as the most absurd modifier to the word empire.




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Please, GiC already had enough fun Eurocentrically mocking Ethiopian history and civilization, I'd appreciate it if you kindly grew up ;)

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2012, 12:54:14 AM »
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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2012, 12:58:23 AM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?

Can't some music just suck without there having to be a conspiracy about it?

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2012, 01:01:11 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?

This is not a conspiracy, nor is it satanic or masonic. Is it wrong? Yes... Is it irreverent? Yes...

The choice of everything in that performance is very intentional, she wasn't mocking icons, she is mocking the Roman Catholic Church, maybe even religion in general.

There is not a conspiracy within the music industry or anything like that. She simply wants shock value and to stick it to society and what some people consider respectable and reverent.

She stands for immorality and vice, and promotes it in her music. It isn't about her being part of some conspiracy, satanic cult or anything like that. It's simply her being who she is, and desiring to shock people and cause people to talk about her and her music.

I once had someone tell me they believed the music industry was run by the Jews who put patterns, beats, etc... in the music to perform mind control and get people to do drugs and kill themselves. There are some really crazy ideas out there, don't believe them.

Again, please, for the love of God, don't get your ideas from Wikipedia, YouTube or private online websites.

88Devin12 - I think you would be surprised with how many EO Christians and Christians alike would heavily disagree with you and do believe there is conspiracy and masonry within the music industry.
The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2012, 01:02:57 AM »
I'm a bit confused. No rude comments, please!  :laugh: But I don't even know who these people are, let alone if they are satanists. Did they make their *religious choice* public?
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2012, 01:19:55 AM »
They're not satanists, they're idiots. It's a common mistake.

Funnily enough, past artists who have flirted with similar imagery or stage theatrics didn't usually attempt to blur the line between their personal behavior and stage personas. Alice Cooper is an Evangelical and teaches Sunday school. Tom Araya of the heavy metal band Slayer is a committed Roman Catholic. Believe it or not, putting stupid and offensive religious overtones into music and stage shows does not necessarily tell you much about the performer engaging in it. These kinds of elaborate stage productions are generally a group effort also including management and other people, often with minimal and/or ignored direct input from the artist (particularly if they're new and don't have much clout). And that's a good thing, or else they'd probably come off looking even stupider. Don't any of you remember that scene in Spinal Tap with the Stonehenge set piece? :)

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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2012, 01:20:02 AM »
Please, GiC already had enough fun Eurocentrically mocking Ethiopian history and civilization, I'd appreciate it if you kindly grew up ;)

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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2012, 01:24:41 AM »
I remember when I heard "Niggas in Paris" for the first time.

It's just one of the moments. When Kennedy was assassinated, first kiss, 9/11, first time hearing Niggas in Paris . . . Some things you can never forget.
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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2012, 01:28:08 AM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Please, GiC already had enough fun Eurocentrically mocking Ethiopian history and civilization, I'd appreciate it if you kindly grew up ;)

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Civilization and history are European constructs. Get used to it.







hmm.. my mistake.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2012, 01:31:34 AM »
Kanye West owns. Do you really think he believes all that occultic stuff? He's doing it for shock and attention. Sorry you can't handle the heat.

Nicki Minaj is awesome too.
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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2012, 01:34:58 AM »
Pfft. Everyone knows that the pyramids were built by Masons. And space aliens built everything in Ethiopia before the Italians showed up. The guy with the crazy hair on the History Channel told me so.

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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2012, 01:37:58 AM »
You appropriating such things as "civilization" and "history" are Euro-centric.

Sorry buddy. You are the ultimate of what you wish you to fight against.

You arrogantly sling the the arguments of the Ivory Tower and reduce that alien to the well known and familiar and presume to understand that which you cannot.

You turn the unknown into commodities of university research, a thoroughly and essentially European endeavor, and pride yourself on your worldliness and tolerance, other European virtues.

Enjoy your enlightenment. Casting everything in the same light for centuries. After all, we ARE all the SAME. Good and proper Europeans. Or at least we can all aspire to be and if not we will make you such.

You treat various peoples no different than endangered botanicals to persevered for their possible medicinal uses.

But what choice do you have?

None other. Western metaphysics is just that damn powerful.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2012, 01:39:27 AM »
I remember when I heard "Niggas in Paris" for the first time.

It's just one of the moments. When Kennedy was assassinated, first kiss, 9/11, first time hearing Niggas in Paris . . . Some things you can never forget.

Lol. You're such a jerk sometimes/most of the time. However, your post did bring me to the realization that I can't remember my first kiss or who it even was!!!  Now that is sad!
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2012, 01:39:45 AM »
Kanye West owns. Do you really think he believes all that occultic stuff? He's doing it for shock and attention. Sorry you can't handle the heat.

Nicki Minaj is awesome too.

Achronos,

Should I be glad or sad that I have no idea what to make of any of this thread including your post?

Thanks.
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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2012, 01:41:42 AM »
Poking fun at the inexplicably famous and undoubtedly talentless > arguing about metaphysics

All the time, every time.

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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2012, 01:45:36 AM »
Poking fun at the inexplicably famous and undoubtedly talentless > arguing about metaphysics

All the time, every time.

I see no reason not to dovetail.

Actually just getting Habte to have to write out that insincere and triumphal greeting is fun.

He does type it out believe it or not. He has made the occasional typo.

Strange but true.
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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2012, 02:08:14 AM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


..and now for some music that doesn't suck

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2012, 02:11:59 AM »
Get back on topic, please.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2012, 02:19:23 AM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!


..and now for some music that doesn't suck

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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2012, 02:31:17 AM »
yeshuaisism, you see that Lady Gaga video yet?
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« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2012, 02:37:18 AM »
^ Now look what you've done!  I hope you're happy with yourself!   ;)

Get back on topic, please.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2012, 02:42:03 AM »
Some people are only alive because it's illegal to kill them.


Great point.


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« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2012, 02:43:24 AM »
I'm sure all of the saints depicted there were face-palming in heaven during that "performance".

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2012, 03:01:02 AM »
I would like to point out that some things are quite demonic and evil whether they are done for shock value, as a joke, for financial profit, or as an intentional act of satanic worship. We should recognize evil and call it such, rather than winking at it and adopting a laissez faire posture of tolerance simply because those doing the evil "don't really believe in it."



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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2012, 05:44:03 AM »
Seems an appropriate Babylonian ritual to commemorate the fall of another Babylonian idol.



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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2012, 09:02:37 AM »
I'm more shocked that any of you watched the Grammy Awards. I mean, both my father and brother have been involved in the music industry for a total of about 60 years and counting and I asked my father if he was going to watch it and he said "only after I've done everything else I can think to do with my time." I would think that this is just about the level of attention that any of these spectacles merit. Looking for Masonic or Satanic this-or-that in this kind of show is akin to looking for Satanic messages in your Alfa-Bits cereal. In a past decade, you could have been counted on to provide court testimony against Judas Priest... ::)

I have not watched an awards show in decades. OTH, I read about the Grammy awards afterwards and found out three good things.

- Alison Krauss won Best Bluegrass Album (with her band Union Station) for "Paper Airplane." She is probably the most awarded female singer in the US and continues to amaze with her voice, artistry and modesty--not a prima donna bone in her body.

- Adele, the big winner this year, is a really good singer (I caught couple of her songs on you tube).

- Tony Bennett (with Amy Winehouse) won Best Pop Duo for for "Body and Soul" and won Best Traditional Pop Album for "Duets II". BTW, did I tell y'all that I love the American Songbook.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2012, 09:26:56 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?





This is not a conspiracy, nor is it satanic or masonic. Is it wrong? Yes... Is it irreverent? Yes...

The choice of everything in that performance is very intentional, she wasn't mocking icons, she is mocking the Roman Catholic Church, maybe even religion in general.

There is not a conspiracy within the music industry or anything like that. She simply wants shock value and to stick it to society and what some people consider respectable and reverent.

She stands for immorality and vice, and promotes it in her music. It isn't about her being part of some conspiracy, satanic cult or anything like that. It's simply her being who she is, and desiring to shock people and cause people to talk about her and her music.

I once had someone tell me they believed the music industry was run by the Jews who put patterns, beats, etc... in the music to perform mind control and get people to do drugs and kill themselves. There are some really crazy ideas out there, don't believe them.

Again, please, for the love of God, don't get your ideas from Wikipedia, YouTube or private online websites.

Ditto. What a contest amont all of the Madonna 'wanna-bes'. At least Lady Gaga actually has some talent and recognizes that her 'schtick' is just that - a 'schtick.' An even better contrast between the techno-talent-deprived 'artists' and singers like Adele. You may not like blues influenced jazz singing, but there she was - alone with a microphone and back up singers - no fireworks, no scantily clad Roman gladiators, no snakes etc..... And what happened to the 'old' Katy Perry who didn't need spray painted clothes to hit the top forty? I guess I am getting old...


By the way..the rockers at the very end, led by the old guys, Sir Paul and the Boss were awesome!
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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2012, 10:20:19 AM »
Seems an appropriate Babylonian ritual to commemorate the fall of another Babylonian idol.



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You do realize that only Ethiopian gives Babylonian a run as the most absurd modifier to the word empire.

You do realize that Gebre Menfes Kidus is not Ethiopian.

I think you are asking the wrong person this question.
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« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2012, 10:36:31 AM »
Seems an appropriate Babylonian ritual to commemorate the fall of another Babylonian idol.



Selam

You do realize that only Ethiopian gives Babylonian a run as the most absurd modifier to the word empire.




Babylon not being a real empire?  I'm sure the Assyrians would disagree with you on this.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2012, 12:06:32 PM »
I would like to point out that some things are quite demonic and evil whether they are done for shock value, as a joke, for financial profit, or as an intentional act of satanic worship. We should recognize evil and call it such, rather than winking at it and adopting a laissez faire posture of tolerance simply because those doing the evil "don't really believe in it."

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« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2012, 12:26:11 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roPnQjB5EEg  (first 20 seconds or so in the background)

Also note the masonic pillars.

It is my opinion much of the music industry incorporates satanic & masonic rituals in their "entertainment programming".

I'm curious what other people's opinions are?

Can't some music just suck without there having to be a conspiracy about it?

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LOL, well, yes it can.

Unfortunately this artist is obviously huge and has much influence.   (I don't understand why either LOL)
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« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2012, 12:29:26 PM »
I would like to point out that some things are quite demonic and evil whether they are done for shock value, as a joke, for financial profit, or as an intentional act of satanic worship. We should recognize evil and call it such, rather than winking at it and adopting a laissez faire posture of tolerance simply because those doing the evil "don't really believe in it."



Selam

I agree with this. I was trying to point out that such things, as offensive and bad as they are, are not always a reflection of the artist's personal values. In other words, if you were to ask the star themselves they'd likely say it was for show, as they are not actually involved in masonry, satanism, or what have you. (So there isn't an actual conspiracy anywhere, it's just about what will make money/get the ladies or whatever.) We shouldn't adopt a laissez faire attitude at all. We shouldn't consume such media that is ambivalent towards evil. Ambivalence is not an attitude in keeping with Christianity. However, if we go to the extremes of seeing actual satanist conspiracies in bad popular media made for calculated, capitalistic reasons, we may risk coming off as extremists of the book burning/Beatles records steamrolling variety, which would help justify (in the minds of those so inclined) the world's turning a blind eye to more urgent issues, e.g., persecution of Christians in the Middle East/Asia/Africa. Before you say "that's a stretch" or something similar, I have seen this over and over myself, particularly with the so-called "new atheists" who seem to see Jerry Falwell and his ilk as evidence that Christians are all Bin Ladens in waiting for the appropriate political situation in which to turn the West into Evangelical Taliban country (as though disagreeing with/boycotting certain media or popular social/political stances supported by it is on the level of actually killing people).

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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2012, 12:31:04 PM »
Kanye West owns. Do you really think he believes all that occultic stuff? He's doing it for shock and attention. Sorry you can't handle the heat.

Nicki Minaj is awesome too.

Hi brother Achronos,

I'd like to pass this video on to you about Kayne West.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccPm3CdP3Uo

I know that many people do not want to believe, understand, or want to find some of the claims against a lot of the music industry as "unfounded".  Christians should consider if our Lord would approve.

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« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2012, 12:32:43 PM »
Pfft. Everyone knows that the pyramids were built by Masons. And space aliens built everything in Ethiopia before the Italians showed up. The guy with the crazy hair on the History Channel told me so.

Of course some claims that people make I would consider heavy disinformation to pass the unfortunate and deviant truth off as crazy.
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« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2012, 12:39:28 PM »
The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

"He who fears has not yet been made perfect in love." ~1 John 4:18b

I know and its unfortunate.  Both about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns/gold AND about Masonry.

The only problem is that most Masonic elements can be proven or at the very least linked.

But anyway, if you ignore the pillars in both this and the Kayne West video I just posted - they are showing blasphemy in front of icons.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2012, 12:44:10 PM »
I would like to point out that some things are quite demonic and evil whether they are done for shock value, as a joke, for financial profit, or as an intentional act of satanic worship. We should recognize evil and call it such, rather than winking at it and adopting a laissez faire posture of tolerance simply because those doing the evil "don't really believe in it."

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« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2012, 12:59:02 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2012, 12:59:08 PM »
yeshuaisism, you see that Lady Gaga video yet?

Lots of them UNFORTUNATELY.  

Lots of satanic symbolism in those.  From holding up a rosary "praying" Just let me go, eating the rosary, upside down crosses, goat heads... Even some songs like "Born this way" talk about how "god didn't make mistakes making gay people".

Also, she has a song that says "I'm in love with Judas".... Well here http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/l/lady_gaga/judas.html, this is what many 10 year old girls are singing.  

It's disgusting and my personal belief is influences like this will bring many away from God.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2012, 01:34:23 PM »
The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

"He who fears has not yet been made perfect in love." ~1 John 4:18b

I know and its unfortunate.  Both about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns/gold AND about Masonry.

The only problem is that most Masonic elements can be proven or at the very least linked.

So what, I can link Kevin Bacon to an Emperor Penguin...it only takes 6 or 7 jumps.....

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2012, 02:17:53 PM »
The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

"He who fears has not yet been made perfect in love." ~1 John 4:18b

I know and its unfortunate.  Both about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns/gold AND about Masonry.

The only problem is that most Masonic elements can be proven or at the very least linked.

So what, I can link Kevin Bacon to an Emperor Penguin...it only takes 6 or 7 jumps.....

PP

But could you do it without using Batman Returns?
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2012, 02:27:11 PM »
The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

"He who fears has not yet been made perfect in love." ~1 John 4:18b

I know and its unfortunate.  Both about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns/gold AND about Masonry.

The only problem is that most Masonic elements can be proven or at the very least linked.

So what, I can link Kevin Bacon to an Emperor Penguin...it only takes 6 or 7 jumps.....

PP

But could you do it without using Batman Returns?
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2012, 03:48:41 PM »
The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

"He who fears has not yet been made perfect in love." ~1 John 4:18b

I know and its unfortunate.  Both about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns/gold AND about Masonry.

The only problem is that most Masonic elements can be proven or at the very least linked.

So what, I can link Kevin Bacon to an Emperor Penguin...it only takes 6 or 7 jumps.....

PP

But could you do it without using Batman Returns?
*sigh* you ruin everything Vam!!!!!! storms off to room

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Wasn't Danny Devito the Penguin?


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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2012, 03:51:51 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

"He who fears has not yet been made perfect in love." ~1 John 4:18b

I know and its unfortunate.  Both about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns/gold AND about Masonry.

The only problem is that most Masonic elements can be proven or at the very least linked.

So what, I can link Kevin Bacon to an Emperor Penguin...it only takes 6 or 7 jumps.....

PP

But could you do it without using Batman Returns?
*sigh* you ruin everything Vam!!!!!! storms off to room

PP

Wasn't Danny Devito the Penguin?



I think that was supposed to be a double snap including a tangent on Kevin Bacon



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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2012, 04:44:29 PM »
The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

"He who fears has not yet been made perfect in love." ~1 John 4:18b

I know and its unfortunate.  Both about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns/gold AND about Masonry.

The only problem is that most Masonic elements can be proven or at the very least linked.

So what, I can link Kevin Bacon to an Emperor Penguin...it only takes 6 or 7 jumps.....

PP

But could you do it without using Batman Returns?
*sigh* you ruin everything Vam!!!!!! storms off to room

PP

Wasn't Danny Devito the Penguin?



Well, I was aiming more for the rocket-penguins in the movie, which look kinda like Emperor Penguins (aptenodytes forsteri) but apparently were the smaller King Penguins (aptenodytes patagonicus).

So yeah, you can come out of your room now, PP.  My joke didn't quite work.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2012, 04:47:40 PM »
The mere fact that many believe there is a masonic conspiracy within the music industry doesn't mean there really is. Many of our children believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy or that there's a leprechaun guarding a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, but that doesn't mean that any of these is real.

Face it, yesh, not everyone joins you in looking for a masonic conspiracy under every rock.

"He who fears has not yet been made perfect in love." ~1 John 4:18b

I know and its unfortunate.  Both about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Leprechauns/gold AND about Masonry.

The only problem is that most Masonic elements can be proven or at the very least linked.

So what, I can link Kevin Bacon to an Emperor Penguin...it only takes 6 or 7 jumps.....

PP

But could you do it without using Batman Returns?
*sigh* you ruin everything Vam!!!!!! storms off to room

PP

Wasn't Danny Devito the Penguin?



Well, I was aiming more for the rocket-penguins in the movie, which look kinda like Emperor Penguins (aptenodytes forsteri) but apparently were the smaller King Penguins (aptenodytes patagonicus).

So yeah, you can come out of your room now, PP.  My joke didn't quite work.
sniffle if you say so......

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Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2012, 10:17:26 PM »
I don't know if any of you watched the Grammys last Sunday, but this is newsworthy in our circle. Pop star Nicki Minaj dresses up as Red Riding Hood and her date for the festivities was a guy dressed as the Pope.



However, this wasn't the reason why most Christian circles are angry with her. This is why.

The President of the Catholic League wrote this response.

I didn't see the performance when it actually happened (I did see her with the "pope" at the red carpet), but from the looks of it, the whole thing was distasteful to say the least.

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2012, 10:18:29 PM »
Well she did copy Lil Kim's style anyway...
...Or it's just possible he's a mouthy young man on an internet forum.
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2012, 10:30:31 PM »
Well she did copy Lil Kim's style anyway...

Hahaha word  :D. She ain't touching' the Queen Bee.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2012, 10:45:53 PM »
History is nothing other than lies that have been agreed to.
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« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2012, 10:47:22 PM »
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« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2012, 10:55:13 PM »
History is nothing other than lies that have been agreed to.
History is simply the version of what happened that the victors have written
History is what the historians say it is.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2012, 10:58:12 PM »
Something that would look nice on a mug.

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #87 on: February 14, 2012, 11:02:22 PM »
All I can say is what a jack***.

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #88 on: February 14, 2012, 11:35:01 PM »
It's a shame one can't look to the grammys for examples of moral uprightness anymore.  ;)

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« Reply #89 on: February 14, 2012, 11:38:01 PM »
It's a shame one can't look to the grammys for examples of moral uprightness anymore.  ;)



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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2012, 11:49:53 PM »
If the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences doesn't already screen proposed performances, this is evidence that they need to.  If they do, then this is evidence that someone needs to smack some sense into whoever does so.
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #91 on: February 15, 2012, 01:16:42 AM »
Is this the wrong place to say that I thought it was really well done and one of the most interesting pop pieces I've seen in a long time? And that in all fairness, the action on the screen fit the events of the song, wherein someone suspected of insanity (or demon possession) is being subjected to treatment above and beyond what they were willing to undergo at the hands of supposedly benevolent authority figures?

Roman Catholicism and exorcism are the more famous examples in pop culture thanks to films such as The Exorcist, almost demanding that a Roman priest and rites be used in the performance for cultural literacy, but there are multiple news stories per year about Charismatic sects going too far in their attempts to expel demons (usually in the case of some rebellious teenage girl likely tired of putting up with her family's wacko crap). The problem is, there is no easily recognizable backwoods "Pentecostal Preacher" visual short-hand, unlike Roman Catholicism (monks, priests, nuns, etc) or even Televangelists (slick hair, expensive suit, cross on podium).

At the end of the day I don't think this video is any more anti-Roman Catholic than Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall pt 2 was against education.
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #92 on: February 15, 2012, 01:52:31 AM »
Is this the wrong place to say that I thought it was really well done and one of the most interesting pop pieces I've seen in a long time? And that in all fairness, the action on the screen fit the events of the song, wherein someone suspected of insanity (or demon possession) is being subjected to treatment above and beyond what they were willing to undergo at the hands of supposedly benevolent authority figures?

Roman Catholicism and exorcism are the more famous examples in pop culture thanks to films such as The Exorcist, almost demanding that a Roman priest and rites be used in the performance for cultural literacy, but there are multiple news stories per year about Charismatic sects going too far in their attempts to expel demons (usually in the case of some rebellious teenage girl likely tired of putting up with her family's wacko crap). The problem is, there is no easily recognizable backwoods "Pentecostal Preacher" visual short-hand, unlike Roman Catholicism (monks, priests, nuns, etc) or even Televangelists (slick hair, expensive suit, cross on podium).

At the end of the day I don't think this video is any more anti-Roman Catholic than Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall pt 2 was against education.
I don't think it's the wrong place to say the above.

My opinion (as if it matters to anyone)? Mockery is good for us. It spurs us on to clean up our acts. Unless, of course, we simply resort to dodging bullets by crying "foul!" and "Satanic!" and "Anti-<Add-Whatever-One-Doesn't-Like-Being-Criticised-Here!>". Viva la freedom of criticism, even if the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, Education, or whatever other sacrosanct beliefs someone might hold to, is on the receiving end. In the end, it can make us better at whatever it is we are.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #93 on: February 15, 2012, 02:23:30 AM »
I'm more shocked that any of you watched the Grammy Awards. 


 Kinda what I was thinking.  I'd rather watch Andrew Dice Clay run the Kentucky Derby in a horse suit.  Anyway, I doubt this goofball is Satanic, she's simply parading her bad taste while riding on Madonna's frayed coattails.  And why would anyone be surprised about the bad taste found at the Grammy's?  The fact that some folks are watching this train wreck tells me that some folks still cling to bad taste like a Garfield suction cup doll on the inside windshield of an AMC pacer.
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #94 on: February 15, 2012, 02:25:43 AM »
It's a shame one can't look to the grammys for examples of moral uprightness anymore.  ;)



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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #95 on: February 15, 2012, 10:47:56 AM »
The grammys still matter? Really? Wow, I learn something new everyday.

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #96 on: February 15, 2012, 10:51:27 AM »
It's a shame one can't look to the grammys for examples of moral uprightness anymore.  ;)



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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #98 on: February 15, 2012, 11:43:50 AM »
How original of her to protest/poke fun at Christianity. No one has ever done that before...
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #99 on: February 15, 2012, 11:47:09 AM »
Ok, so a bunch of elitist morons attach Christianity and folks are surprised by that?

Really?

I would find a Grammy or Oscar, or silly named show that does not poke at Christianity to be FAR more noteworthy.

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #100 on: February 15, 2012, 12:00:50 PM »
I myself am not so suprised at what happened at the Grammys. (True) Christianity are not of this world and the west has this current and limited view of Christianity presented by the Roman Catholic and Protestant Churches of today and anything that's mostly controversial in Christianity in western postmodern eyes would mostly point to these two churches. And that's when the cheap shots start.

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« Reply #101 on: February 15, 2012, 12:10:29 PM »
History is nothing other than lies that have been agreed to.
History is simply the version of what happened that the victors have written
History is what the historians say it is.

History is what people say historians say it is.

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« Reply #102 on: February 15, 2012, 12:24:14 PM »
STOP THE RECURSION!!!!!!!!! :D

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #103 on: February 15, 2012, 12:24:29 PM »
History is nothing other than lies that have been agreed to.
History is simply the version of what happened that the victors have written
History is what the historians say it is.

History is what people say historians say it is.

People are historians say history that people are they say.
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« Reply #104 on: February 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM »
What's confusing? Vamrat, that was hilarious.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #105 on: February 15, 2012, 12:32:33 PM »
If we're plagiarising Churchill we might as well add Mr Marx to the mix

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #106 on: February 15, 2012, 12:37:04 PM »
How original of her to protest/poke fun at Christianity. No one has ever done that before...
Nicki, is no Madonna. Nicki is simply not talented enough to be that contraversial.
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« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2012, 01:15:18 PM »
If we're plagiarising Churchill we might as well add Mr Marx to the mix

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."


I thought it was Voltaire that we were plagiarizing.

Or Napoleon - History is a fable that has been agreed upon.
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« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2012, 01:15:51 PM »
Wait, so you must be talented to be controversial? Does this mean that if artists like Madonna, Marilyn Manson, etc. weren't controversial they'd still be famous media personalities? Hmm. Someone should ask whoever voiced the Archies about that. Also, two words: Milli Vanilli.

There's certainly nothing new in using sex and/or gory, blasphemic, or otherwise unsettling imagery to sell music (or film, or books, or whatever). That's all that's going on here, and I don't think it requires any talent to appeal to the lowest instincts of humanity.

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« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2012, 01:53:06 PM »
I had always heard that it was Napoleon.  I really did not consider it plagiarising is history has not yet determined who actually said it.

If we're plagiarising Churchill we might as well add Mr Marx to the mix

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."


I thought it was Voltaire that we were plagiarizing.

Or Napoleon - History is a fable that has been agreed upon.
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« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2012, 02:21:40 PM »
I would like to point out that some things are quite demonic and evil whether they are done for shock value, as a joke, for financial profit, or as an intentional act of satanic worship. We should recognize evil and call it such, rather than winking at it and adopting a laissez faire posture of tolerance simply because those doing the evil "don't really believe in it."

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« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2012, 02:23:59 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

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« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2012, 02:40:38 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.
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« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2012, 02:52:03 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2012, 02:58:45 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #115 on: February 15, 2012, 03:01:42 PM »
I'm more interested in this statement by the "Catholic Justice League" as I call them:  (from the linked article in OP)

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« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2012, 04:10:04 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.


Either this is just blood-libel or you truly are a fiend.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2012, 04:44:01 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.


 :laugh: Now we have looked on the face of true evil!
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2012, 04:48:48 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.


Is that compatible with the Phil Jackson inspired triangle offense? You know, a dose of Zen, a shot of Calvin.....

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #119 on: February 15, 2012, 04:56:46 PM »
How original of her to protest/poke fun at Christianity. No one has ever done that before...
Nicki, is no Madonna. Nicki is simply not talented enough to be that contraversial.

Madonna had/s talent? News to me.

And, though I had never heard of Nicki Minaj before this, from the few other songs I'd listened to as research for my earlier reply- girl can flow, and her performance at the Grammy's would have sounded sinister even without onstage Hollywood Catholic melodrama. Which, given what I've read about her "Roman" persona, is the whole point. All in all, I'd put the whole production at least three points higher than "Like a Prayer".
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #120 on: February 15, 2012, 04:56:58 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.


 :laugh: Now we have looked on the face of true evil!

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« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2012, 05:09:00 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.


Is that compatible with the Phil Jackson inspired triangle offense? You know, a dose of Zen, a shot of Calvin.....



In that case go ZONE, it is always the Achilles' Heel of the Triangle, that and Phil Jackson's unrepentant rejection of every implementing a bench with actual talent ;)

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« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2012, 05:09:30 PM »
As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.


 :laugh: Now we have looked on the face of true evil!

If a child in your Sunday school should have a fascination with tulips, you will know him to be our handiwork.


So we don't look for secret handshakes, anymore. Tulips are the giveaway! Gotcha!  :laugh:
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #123 on: February 15, 2012, 05:10:05 PM »
Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

As master of a Masonic lodge, I was really pleased to see our plans for the Grammy spectacle to come to fruition. After the performance, we all went into the lodge room and toasted each other with wine goblets made from human skulls, followed by a 1204-second round of applause for the sack of Constantinople.

Would you like to know what we have planned for the Oscars?


Does it involve child-sacrifice?  Because I had heard that the Masons were formed by the families of Carthaginian exiles who'd escaped after the sack.

Worse. We bring in an Orthodox child and then teach him five-point Calvinism.


Is that compatible with the Phil Jackson inspired triangle offense? You know, a dose of Zen, a shot of Calvin.....



In that case go ZONE, it is always the Achilles' Heel of the Triangle, that and Phil Jackson's unrepentant rejection of every implementing a bench with actual talent ;)

stay blessed,
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #124 on: February 15, 2012, 05:21:56 PM »
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Holy Martyr Porphyrius pray for us!

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An actor, he first mocked at Christians before Julian the Apostate. On one occasion, when he was mimicking the Christian mystery of Baptism, he was dipped into the water, pronouncing the words: 'In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' When he emerged from the water, he cried out: 'Now I am a Christian!' Everyone thought that this was in jest, as always, but he held firm to it, stopped mocking Christians and finally suffered for Christ. He was beheaded in 361, and entered into the Kingdom of Christ.

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« Reply #125 on: February 15, 2012, 05:31:03 PM »
Dear everyone,

Holy Martyr Porphyrius pray for us!

St. Porphyrius, Sept 15

An actor, he first mocked at Christians before Julian the Apostate. On one occasion, when he was mimicking the Christian mystery of Baptism, he was dipped into the water, pronouncing the words: 'In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' When he emerged from the water, he cried out: 'Now I am a Christian!' Everyone thought that this was in jest, as always, but he held firm to it, stopped mocking Christians and finally suffered for Christ. He was beheaded in 361, and entered into the Kingdom of Christ.

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The threads' have been merged?! Awww, I was having fun posting in the non-crazy-masonic-conspiracy-theory thread.

Can I make that a suggestion for the future? A Crazy Masonic Conspiracy Theory and Sane Person forum subdivision for every category from now on? Who would I send such a suggestion to?

Agreed.  I was having fun posting in the crazy masonic conspiracy theory thread, but now with the inclusion of some good, serious posts I don't think I'll have as much fun humorously derailing any longer. 
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« Reply #128 on: February 15, 2012, 08:55:53 PM »
What's confusing? Vamrat, that was hilarious.

PtA doesn't parse functions which call themselves.

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History is a fable that has been agreed upon.

History is a fable upon which it is has been agreed parents tell their children.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #130 on: February 16, 2012, 02:01:17 AM »
What's confusing? Vamrat, that was hilarious.

PtA doesn't parse functions which call themselves.
Actually, you haven't seen me program a function that calculates a mathematical factorial (x!). ;D Program one of those bad boys to use recursion (x! = x * (x - 1)! = x * (x - 1) * (x -2)! = ...), then plug in a large starting number to test it, and you could end up choking your computer with a big recursion stack. That, and the end result would cause overflow errors, even with a 64-bit integer, with not that big a starting number.
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« Reply #131 on: February 16, 2012, 10:51:14 AM »
What's confusing? Vamrat, that was hilarious.

PtA doesn't parse functions which call themselves.
Actually, you haven't seen me program a function that calculates a mathematical factorial (x!). ;D Program one of those bad boys to use recursion (x! = x * (x - 1)! = x * (x - 1) * (x -2)! = ...), then plug in a large starting number to test it, and you could end up choking your computer with a big recursion stack. That, and the end result would cause overflow errors, even with a 64-bit integer, with not that big a starting number.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #132 on: February 16, 2012, 10:53:36 AM »
What's confusing? Vamrat, that was hilarious.

PtA doesn't parse functions which call themselves.
Actually, you haven't seen me program a function that calculates a mathematical factorial (x!). ;D Program one of those bad boys to use recursion (x! = x * (x - 1)! = x * (x - 1) * (x -2)! = ...), then plug in a large starting number to test it, and you could end up choking your computer with a big recursion stack. That, and the end result would cause overflow errors, even with a 64-bit integer, with not that big a starting number.
Ummm, is the correct answer...toast?  ??? ??? ???
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #133 on: February 16, 2012, 10:55:10 AM »
Is this the wrong place to say that I thought it was really well done and one of the most interesting pop pieces I've seen in a long time? And that in all fairness, the action on the screen fit the events of the song, wherein someone suspected of insanity (or demon possession) is being subjected to treatment above and beyond what they were willing to undergo at the hands of supposedly benevolent authority figures?

Roman Catholicism and exorcism are the more famous examples in pop culture thanks to films such as The Exorcist, almost demanding that a Roman priest and rites be used in the performance for cultural literacy, but there are multiple news stories per year about Charismatic sects going too far in their attempts to expel demons (usually in the case of some rebellious teenage girl likely tired of putting up with her family's wacko crap). The problem is, there is no easily recognizable backwoods "Pentecostal Preacher" visual short-hand, unlike Roman Catholicism (monks, priests, nuns, etc) or even Televangelists (slick hair, expensive suit, cross on podium).

At the end of the day I don't think this video is any more anti-Roman Catholic than Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall pt 2 was against education.

I can see where you are coming from with this.  All the same, I think Nicki Minaj should be tossed into a river to see if she floats or not, then subsequently burnt.  Wouldn't want people to get the idea that they can make fun of Christianity and get away with it.
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #134 on: February 16, 2012, 11:17:20 AM »
Is this the wrong place to say that I thought it was really well done and one of the most interesting pop pieces I've seen in a long time? And that in all fairness, the action on the screen fit the events of the song, wherein someone suspected of insanity (or demon possession) is being subjected to treatment above and beyond what they were willing to undergo at the hands of supposedly benevolent authority figures?

Roman Catholicism and exorcism are the more famous examples in pop culture thanks to films such as The Exorcist, almost demanding that a Roman priest and rites be used in the performance for cultural literacy, but there are multiple news stories per year about Charismatic sects going too far in their attempts to expel demons (usually in the case of some rebellious teenage girl likely tired of putting up with her family's wacko crap). The problem is, there is no easily recognizable backwoods "Pentecostal Preacher" visual short-hand, unlike Roman Catholicism (monks, priests, nuns, etc) or even Televangelists (slick hair, expensive suit, cross on podium).

At the end of the day I don't think this video is any more anti-Roman Catholic than Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall pt 2 was against education.

I can see where you are coming from with this.  All the same, I think Nicki Minaj should be tossed into a river to see if she floats or not, then subsequently burnt.  Wouldn't want people to get the idea that they can make fun of Christianity and get away with it.

I'd be careful with that burning thing though....I recall a former poster who got into a big argument that didn't end well which included his accusation that burning of heretics and witches was limited to our Western friends.

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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #135 on: February 16, 2012, 11:27:00 AM »
Is this the wrong place to say that I thought it was really well done and one of the most interesting pop pieces I've seen in a long time? And that in all fairness, the action on the screen fit the events of the song, wherein someone suspected of insanity (or demon possession) is being subjected to treatment above and beyond what they were willing to undergo at the hands of supposedly benevolent authority figures?

Roman Catholicism and exorcism are the more famous examples in pop culture thanks to films such as The Exorcist, almost demanding that a Roman priest and rites be used in the performance for cultural literacy, but there are multiple news stories per year about Charismatic sects going too far in their attempts to expel demons (usually in the case of some rebellious teenage girl likely tired of putting up with her family's wacko crap). The problem is, there is no easily recognizable backwoods "Pentecostal Preacher" visual short-hand, unlike Roman Catholicism (monks, priests, nuns, etc) or even Televangelists (slick hair, expensive suit, cross on podium).

At the end of the day I don't think this video is any more anti-Roman Catholic than Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall pt 2 was against education.

I can see where you are coming from with this.  All the same, I think Nicki Minaj should be tossed into a river to see if she floats or not, then subsequently burnt.  Wouldn't want people to get the idea that they can make fun of Christianity and get away with it.

I'd be careful with that burning thing though....I recall a former poster who got into a big argument that didn't end well which included his accusation that burning of heretics and witches was limited to our Western friends.

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Those columns are not masonic. They are either Corinthian or Ionic. These were common, to say the least, in ancient Greek and Roman architecture and have reappeared in cultures throughout history since then. Since the performance was trying to go for some sort of church/cathedral motif, the presence of these columns make sense, since they are featured in many old churches.

Examples: here, here, here, here, here, here (in the church of the Nativity, no less!), and here.

Wikimedia Commons results for church columns.
Google image search results for church columns.

Now, just because I don't see any masonic influences in the columns or the performance doesn't mean I didn't have any problems with it. Though it was certainly a skillful performance, as a Christian, particularly one interested in Eastern Orthodoxy, I found the content of the performance to be disrespectful and blasphemous. Are these sorts of shock attempts unusual today? Of course not. Madonna's done stuff that's about on the same level as this with her "Like a Prayer" video, and she is not the only other person to do such things. I don't think these people are outright Satanic, whatever their interest in the occult or mysticism is, but they are dumb, to say the very least.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #137 on: February 16, 2012, 02:29:59 PM »
What's confusing? Vamrat, that was hilarious.

PtA doesn't parse functions which call themselves.
Actually, you haven't seen me program a function that calculates a mathematical factorial (x!). ;D Program one of those bad boys to use recursion (x! = x * (x - 1)! = x * (x - 1) * (x -2)! = ...), then plug in a large starting number to test it, and you could end up choking your computer with a big recursion stack. That, and the end result would cause overflow errors, even with a 64-bit integer, with not that big a starting number.
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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #138 on: February 16, 2012, 02:46:28 PM »
What's confusing? Vamrat, that was hilarious.

PtA doesn't parse functions which call themselves.
Actually, you haven't seen me program a function that calculates a mathematical factorial (x!). ;D Program one of those bad boys to use recursion (x! = x * (x - 1)! = x * (x - 1) * (x -2)! = ...), then plug in a large starting number to test it, and you could end up choking your computer with a big recursion stack. That, and the end result would cause overflow errors, even with a 64-bit integer, with not that big a starting number.
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The growth curve on a factorial is one of the steepest curves you'll ever see.

Ah yes, I fully understand now.  Growth curves on factorials sure are steep, aren't they!
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Re: Nicki Minaj's Grammy Performace Mocks Catholicism
« Reply #139 on: February 16, 2012, 02:59:06 PM »
No, I think that the treatment of the Old Believers by the MP has already dispelled this fiction.


I'd be careful with that burning thing though....I recall a former poster who got into a big argument that didn't end well which included his accusation that burning of heretics and witches was limited to our Western friends.
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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

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Careful. Factorials are the result of evil western rationalism. Is outrage!  ;)
And that seems like an awful lot of math. Who invented math? The Babylonians, who built the first ziggurats, transferring their arcane numerical knowledge to the Egyptians who developed the all-seeing-eye, who in turn taught the Phoenicians who built Solomon's Temple, who passed the evil traditions on to Pythagoras, who brought Masonry to the Western world.

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Re: Satanists mocking Icons @ the Grammy Awards?
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2012, 05:31:09 PM »
Weird synchronicity, factorials were just driving me to the depths of despair five minutes ago.

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3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

In my experience, those enamored with conspiracies generally suffer from feeling a lack of control or sense of marginalization in their own lives. Conspiracy theories provide two things: (1) a belief that it is not just them - no one is really in control of anything and (2) they can feel superior by thinking, "ha! I am one of the smart few who knows the real truth, not like all the rest of these dumb sheeple."

It is worth noting that there is no amount of factual evidence that can disprove the theory. Ever. They will always engage in some sort of special pleading. For example, when I say based on my experience as a Mason that it is just a civic service fraternity, they will respond, "oh, you just don't know about the really bad stuff because you are not high enough in the organization."

I think that moon landing hoaxers are my favorite. I wish I could say the same about 9/11 Truthers, but their beliefs are so disgusting, whether they be of the "let it happen" or "made it happen" schools of thought.

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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

 
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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

Your post is correct.

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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

 

You are wrong in only one aspect; I should be included among those who do not give a fig for those folks whom they dislike. I usually pray for those folks with whom I have disagreed vehemently (even to the point of anger) but I am afraid that I am guilty of pushing many folks off of my consciousness. Mea culpa.

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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

 
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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

 

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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

 



That's a bit of overkill, isn't it? I'm a small lady!  :laugh:
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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

 



That's a bit of overkill, isn't it? I'm a small lady!  :laugh:

If you're going to give someone FlaK, may as well go with the original 8.8cm! 

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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

 



That's a bit of overkill, isn't it? I'm a small lady!  :laugh:

If you're going to give someone FlaK, may as well go with the original 8.8cm! 



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At the risk of prolonguing a pointless thread, I'll throw in my two-cents' worth:

1. The columns were probably what the prop department could get.
2. Why would anyone give a fig for mediocre singers like Madonna and Nikki whats-her-name?
3. Why would anyone give a fig about Masons? Isn't the real problem the growing number of atheists, agnostics, Satan worshipers, occultists, folks who don't give a fig about anything, folks who care only about superficialities, etc...?
4. Why are some people enamored of conspiracies? (As if there are not lots of other (real) things to worry about).

Second Chance, this isn't directed [at] you, but you have provided a summary of the attitude of this thread.

Sorry, folks, I give a fig for these people; all of them. I see people who have lost their way and haven't we all been there at one point or another? Why do we convert and then forget the people we once were? Sinners without hope? Why do we then turn of people who haven't made the "right choice" when last week it was us in that boat?

We could have turned this into a prayer thread for such people, but I guess veiled accusations of them being involved in satanic activity on stage without any proof is so much more entertaining. And it's malicious!

I know I'm going to get flack for this, but hell folks where is your compassion?

 

I guess I just bring things out too much.  Sometimes its hard to accept it.   Nothing on these shows is by accident.  Including the pillars.... But for the sake of it, forget the pillars.... Let's bring out what else happened.

1. Icons and blasphemies spoken in front of icons with complete immodest dress.
2. Mocking confession, one of our sacraments, showing that she does not repent sins.
3. How do you like incense being used in the mocking of church?
4. Don't ignore the 13 steps up.  If you don't know what this symbolizes, google it.
5. Mocking holy unction 10 seconds after 3:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfLI6Z8XRJk
6. Lust on prayerful hands 3:26

I know some of you deny these things happen, but to the others please stay vigilant, as we can clearly see the evil one is out to hurt faith, incite lust, incite homosexual behavior and sin.  He's using the media, movies, and music to amplify his message.
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^^ So what now? Take it all personally? Get all bent out of shape over it on God's behalf? Call them names? Make unsubstaniated claims?

Or... keep tongue firmly behind teeth for fear of slander and judging maliciously and pray for them. I know which one lets me a lot easier at night.

These folks are not to be so feared that we forget the love we should have for them, and in so doing, sin ourselves in the process.




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^^ So what now? Take it all personally? Get all bent out of shape over it on God's behalf? Call them names? Make unsubstaniated claims?

Or... keep tongue firmly behind teeth for fear of slander and judging maliciously and pray for them. I know which one lets me a lot easier at night.

These folks are not to be so feared that we forget the love we should have for them, and in so doing, sin ourselves in the process.

Agreed. Hollywood mocking religious or flirting with the occcult or even Satanic things (see stuff like Rosemary's Baby, The Blair Witch Project, or Paranormal Activity). I'm not saying these things should be thought of as acceptable. In fact, they are abominable, but a lot of it isn't done with the intent of converting us into Wiccans or otherwise Pagan religious or Satanists. It's done to offend our sensibilities and shock us, and unfortunately, stuff like this particularly performance have become all too common nowadays.

You have to remember, most of these people are not theologians or expert occultists. Even those that embrace some of the occult stuff have knowledge that extends little beyond what is "cool" with popular culture and sometimes mere outright superstition.

Those who are fully aware of the blasphemies they are committing will receive their just punishments one day if they do not admit their sins and repent, but for most of those who are ignorant of the full gravity of their acts (and I think this is most of those people out there in Hollywood), I can only be reminded of Jesus' words on the Cross in Luke 23:34 “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” (ESV).

And we can hope and pray that all of these people will have an experience like St. Porphyrius, as elephant mentioned:

Dear everyone,

Holy Martyr Porphyrius pray for us!

St. Porphyrius, Sept 15

An actor, he first mocked at Christians before Julian the Apostate. On one occasion, when he was mimicking the Christian mystery of Baptism, he was dipped into the water, pronouncing the words: 'In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.' When he emerged from the water, he cried out: 'Now I am a Christian!' Everyone thought that this was in jest, as always, but he held firm to it, stopped mocking Christians and finally suffered for Christ. He was beheaded in 361, and entered into the Kingdom of Christ.

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I thought the performance was highly entertaining and creative.

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^^ So what now? Take it all personally? Get all bent out of shape over it on God's behalf? Call them names? Make unsubstaniated claims?

Or... keep tongue firmly behind teeth for fear of slander and judging maliciously and pray for them. I know which one lets me a lot easier at night.

These folks are not to be so feared that we forget the love we should have for them, and in so doing, sin ourselves in the process.


Warn your brothers & sisters.  Warn the youth.

There is a 10 hour long documentary called "They sold their souls for rock and roll".  Very informative and incredibly shocking.
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They sold their souls for rock and roll".  Very informative and incredibly shocking.

I have seen this, and I find it to be a cop out. The narrator uses scattered bits of truth and tales and misunderstandings. Not to mention scare tactics.
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^^ So what now? Take it all personally? Get all bent out of shape over it on God's behalf? Call them names? Make unsubstaniated claims?

Or... keep tongue firmly behind teeth for fear of slander and judging maliciously and pray for them. I know which one lets me a lot easier at night.

These folks are not to be so feared that we forget the love we should have for them, and in so doing, sin ourselves in the process.


Warn your brothers & sisters.  Warn the youth.

There is a 10 hour long documentary called "They sold their souls for rock and roll".  Very informative and incredibly shocking.
Been there, done that, debunked it at 11 yo, got the t-shirt.
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It's kind of funny that you're crediting this stuff with inspiring people to follow the Unwanted One. Surely, he would pick people with more talent? I wouldn't aim that high. This is about shlock, sex and hypnotizing dumb people into giving you their money. I don't think Nikki Whatshername is even bright enough to know what symbolism is. Then again, some people just want to make things more complicated than they have to be; they want to see a sophisticated conspiracy where in reality there is simply tacky crap. Ignore this stuff. Don't give it more attention than it deserves. I don't think Nikki Minaj is a Freemason who knows all the secrets and wants to take over the Church. I think she's boring, that's all.
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It's kind of funny that you're crediting this stuff with inspiring people to follow the Unwanted One. Surely, he would pick people with more talent? I wouldn't aim that high. This is about shlock, sex and hypnotizing dumb people into giving you their money. I don't think Nikki Whatshername is even bright enough to know what symbolism is. Then again, some people just want to make things more complicated than they have to be; they want to see a sophisticated conspiracy where in reality there is simply tacky crap. Ignore this stuff. Don't give it more attention than it deserves. I don't think Nikki Minaj is a Freemason who knows all the secrets and wants to take over the Church. I think she's boring, that's all.

The only problem (yes I don't understand either) is that her videos, Lady Gaga, and Christina Agulera(sp?) have over a hundred million views on some of their videos.  This has a tremendous influence on the youth.

Here's an interesting link about Masonic & music.  This happened at the 2009 MTV VMA's.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-2009-vmas-the-occult-mega-ritual/  --- Now some of the stuff may sound far fetched, but go check out the singer "pink" and what happened.   Fully masonic initiation.
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It's kind of funny that you're crediting this stuff with inspiring people to follow the Unwanted One. Surely, he would pick people with more talent? I wouldn't aim that high. This is about shlock, sex and hypnotizing dumb people into giving you their money. I don't think Nikki Whatshername is even bright enough to know what symbolism is. Then again, some people just want to make things more complicated than they have to be; they want to see a sophisticated conspiracy where in reality there is simply tacky crap. Ignore this stuff. Don't give it more attention than it deserves. I don't think Nikki Minaj is a Freemason who knows all the secrets and wants to take over the Church. I think she's boring, that's all.

The only problem (yes I don't understand either) is that her videos, Lady Gaga, and Christina Agulera(sp?) have over a hundred million views on some of their videos.  This has a tremendous influence on the youth.

Here's an interesting link about Masonic & music.  This happened at the 2009 MTV VMA's.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-2009-vmas-the-occult-mega-ritual/  --- Now some of the stuff may sound far fetched, but go check out the singer "pink" and what happened.   Fully masonic initiation.
Looks like a blog to me. The problem with the blogosphere, though, is that anyone can demonstrate there a complete and utter ignorance on just about anything. Blogs therefore don't prove a d**n thing.
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It's kind of funny that you're crediting this stuff with inspiring people to follow the Unwanted One. Surely, he would pick people with more talent? I wouldn't aim that high. This is about shlock, sex and hypnotizing dumb people into giving you their money. I don't think Nikki Whatshername is even bright enough to know what symbolism is. Then again, some people just want to make things more complicated than they have to be; they want to see a sophisticated conspiracy where in reality there is simply tacky crap. Ignore this stuff. Don't give it more attention than it deserves. I don't think Nikki Minaj is a Freemason who knows all the secrets and wants to take over the Church. I think she's boring, that's all.

The only problem (yes I don't understand either) is that her videos, Lady Gaga, and Christina Agulera(sp?) have over a hundred million views on some of their videos.  This has a tremendous influence on the youth.

Here's an interesting link about Masonic & music.  This happened at the 2009 MTV VMA's.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-2009-vmas-the-occult-mega-ritual/  --- Now some of the stuff may sound far fetched, but go check out the singer "pink" and what happened.   Fully masonic initiation.
Looks like a blog to me. The problem with the blogosphere, though, is that anyone can demonstrate there a complete and utter ignorance on just about anything. Blogs therefore don't prove a d**n thing.
I second this, and furthermore, I don't buy any of that stuff in the blog.

EDIT: After looking at the blog a little more in depth, not only does it talk about secret masons (or something like that) and evil masonic stuff being all over the place, it also mentions the Illuminati and 9/11 trutherism. Nope. Next site, please.
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It's kind of funny that you're crediting this stuff with inspiring people to follow the Unwanted One. Surely, he would pick people with more talent? I wouldn't aim that high. This is about shlock, sex and hypnotizing dumb people into giving you their money. I don't think Nikki Whatshername is even bright enough to know what symbolism is. Then again, some people just want to make things more complicated than they have to be; they want to see a sophisticated conspiracy where in reality there is simply tacky crap. Ignore this stuff. Don't give it more attention than it deserves. I don't think Nikki Minaj is a Freemason who knows all the secrets and wants to take over the Church. I think she's boring, that's all.

The only problem (yes I don't understand either) is that her videos, Lady Gaga, and Christina Agulera(sp?) have over a hundred million views on some of their videos.  This has a tremendous influence on the youth.

Here's an interesting link about Masonic & music.  This happened at the 2009 MTV VMA's.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-2009-vmas-the-occult-mega-ritual/  --- Now some of the stuff may sound far fetched, but go check out the singer "pink" and what happened.   Fully masonic initiation.
Looks like a blog to me. The problem with the blogosphere, though, is that anyone can demonstrate there a complete and utter ignorance on just about anything. Blogs therefore don't prove a d**n thing.
I second this, and furthermore, I don't buy any of that stuff in the blog.

EDIT: After looking at the blog a little more in depth, not only does it talk about secret masons (or something like that) and evil masonic stuff being all over the place, it also mentions the Illuminati and 9/11 trutherism. Nope. Next site, please.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but as some random Joe Blow from the internet: this blogger shows all the classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. WebMD and I prescribe immediate shock treatment.
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I'm not a psychiatrist, but as some random Joe Blow from the internet: this blogger shows all the classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. WebMD and I prescribe immediate shock treatment.
I've been a moderator at a rather large urban development forum for years, and several of my friends are editors and moderators of a large political blog. I've seen various conspiracy theorists dealt with firsthand (not to mention that I'm a history grad student, so appraising sources is part of the profession)
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It's kind of funny that you're crediting this stuff with inspiring people to follow the Unwanted One. Surely, he would pick people with more talent? I wouldn't aim that high. This is about shlock, sex and hypnotizing dumb people into giving you their money. I don't think Nikki Whatshername is even bright enough to know what symbolism is. Then again, some people just want to make things more complicated than they have to be; they want to see a sophisticated conspiracy where in reality there is simply tacky crap. Ignore this stuff. Don't give it more attention than it deserves. I don't think Nikki Minaj is a Freemason who knows all the secrets and wants to take over the Church. I think she's boring, that's all.

The only problem (yes I don't understand either) is that her videos, Lady Gaga, and Christina Agulera(sp?) have over a hundred million views on some of their videos.  This has a tremendous influence on the youth.

Here's an interesting link about Masonic & music.  This happened at the 2009 MTV VMA's.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-2009-vmas-the-occult-mega-ritual/  --- Now some of the stuff may sound far fetched, but go check out the singer "pink" and what happened.   Fully masonic initiation.
Looks like a blog to me. The problem with the blogosphere, though, is that anyone can demonstrate there a complete and utter ignorance on just about anything. Blogs therefore don't prove a d**n thing.
I second this, and furthermore, I don't buy any of that stuff in the blog.

EDIT: After looking at the blog a little more in depth, not only does it talk about secret masons (or something like that) and evil masonic stuff being all over the place, it also mentions the Illuminati and 9/11 trutherism. Nope. Next site, please.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but as some random Joe Blow from the internet: this blogger shows all the classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. WebMD and I prescribe immediate shock treatment.
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People are so afraid of the occult these days...they'll see it anywhere! It's almost as if it's become our new idol, in a way.

Exactly. Rev. Chad Ripperger, a Roman Catholic priest, said "I keep telling people, the devil is not under every rock. He's under every other rock." There are people who are obsessed with the Freemasons and determined to see them at the root of everything. I think reality is plenty to deal with, never mind any loopy conspiracy theories.

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I love that priest's take on it, Biro. Agreed! All this Masonic conspiracy stuff reminds me of Matthew 6:34 -- "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." Life is difficult enough as it is without seeking extra things to worry about. I wonder if Matthew will now be accused of being a Mason... ;)

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People are so afraid of the occult these days...they'll see it anywhere! It's almost as if it's become our new idol, in a way.

Exactly. Rev. Chad Ripperger, a Roman Catholic priest, said "I keep telling people, the devil is not under every rock. He's under every other rock." There are people who are obsessed with the Freemasons and determined to see them at the root of everything. I think reality is plenty to deal with, never mind any loopy conspiracy theories.



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"Symbols rule the world....." for a guy who sees evil everywhere in symbols, he apparently has 'no problemo' whatsoever with the twelve or so, beginning with HP's corporate logo on the webpage. One has to pay the devil his due, I suppose. yawn...

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It's kind of funny that you're crediting this stuff with inspiring people to follow the Unwanted One. Surely, he would pick people with more talent? I wouldn't aim that high. This is about shlock, sex and hypnotizing dumb people into giving you their money. I don't think Nikki Whatshername is even bright enough to know what symbolism is. Then again, some people just want to make things more complicated than they have to be; they want to see a sophisticated conspiracy where in reality there is simply tacky crap. Ignore this stuff. Don't give it more attention than it deserves. I don't think Nikki Minaj is a Freemason who knows all the secrets and wants to take over the Church. I think she's boring, that's all.

The only problem (yes I don't understand either) is that her videos, Lady Gaga, and Christina Agulera(sp?) have over a hundred million views on some of their videos.  This has a tremendous influence on the youth.

Here's an interesting link about Masonic & music.  This happened at the 2009 MTV VMA's.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/the-2009-vmas-the-occult-mega-ritual/  --- Now some of the stuff may sound far fetched, but go check out the singer "pink" and what happened.   Fully masonic initiation.

This is all true, particularly the Taylor Swift part. In the first degree, someone interrupts the candidate and says, "Imma let you finish, but Albert Pike is the greatest Mason of all time!"

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Sorry.

The blog post only had pink blindfolded, her left breast exposed, and a checkerboard pants leg.
Masonic entered apprentices are blindfolded, left breast exposed, and stand on the checkerboard floor (yes it has occult meaning to masons).

This was a Masonic ritual right in front of you.  I don't understand how some of you can be so blind to this.  I also find it amazing how "the source" is attacked.

"Some blog".  "Some person".  "Some bishop".   LOOK at the photo....
Just because there is a photo near somebody's text, does not mean you have to agree with their text.  But the photo exists.  Period.

I've POSTED QUOTES from Masonic texts that admit Lucifer is their god.  What more do you want?  Wow, such denial of obviousness...

I can post this:


And be responded with  "NO this is not a luceferian church".  LOL.  Even thought their texts say it is.  Also I'd be responded with "sicksadworld.info" is not a viable source for information.  LOL - sicksadworld.info merely has a photo just like the blog.  No wonder ecumenism has much of the EO church hoodwinked. 

So while the main stream media mocks your sacraments, implements anti-Christian messages to your Christian youth, provokes blasphemy against the church, implements gnostic luciferian teachings into movies you & you kids enjoy - all many can do is deny and critique the sources. 

I think its funny how people here can be so sure about arguments (in other threads) about the Nicean take on the Trinity, OO vs. EO, RC vs. EO - things that happened centuries to millenia ago - with certainty, but deny photographic and video blasphemy & masonry of things that happen "today".

So rather than ranting further, or even discussing these things on this board further I would like to see which people would be willing to ruin their full credibility by:
1) Denying that Freemasonry believes Lucifer as God.
2) Believes Freemasonry is only a fraternity (with an altar)

I have the book freemasons revere and love, written by a 33 degree mason right here in my hands.  Now let's see who denies it.
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The blog post only had pink blindfolded, her left breast exposed, and a checkerboard pants leg.
Masonic entered apprentices are blindfolded, left breast exposed, and stand on the checkerboard floor

Your argument reads like a logical fallacy.

1. Masons dress like this
2. Pink dressed like this once

Therefore:

3. Pink is a Mason

I doubt there is any connection at all. Is there any proof that Pink is involved the occult? If so, can you offer some where she plainly says, "I like and am involved in Freemasonry"? Maybe Pink is just a dipstick? That performance wouldn't have been that good, at any rate, if she hadn't been doing all that foolishness. The song itself was so flat and boring. But say she knew what it was...that hardly makes her a freemason. My guess is, she thought, "hey this looks cool herp derp I wanna push some buttons!" Well, it worked.

Again, such fear; God has given us the spirit of love, not fear. Conspiracy theories and other such things used to rile up the public and make them irrationally fearful. An idol is not simply a statue, it's something we put above God. I think we need to ask ourselves; is our fear and interest in all things "occult" presiding above God? (Not that you do, I am just speaking in general terms).
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This is getting hilarious. Maybe everyone's a Mason! Could you be one and not know it? Put your forehead on the pommel end of a baseball bat and spin around, to find out. ;)
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This is getting hilarious. Maybe everyone's a Mason! Could you be one and not know it? Put your forehead on the pommel end of a baseball bat and spin around, to find out. ;)


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The blog post only had pink blindfolded, her left breast exposed, and a checkerboard pants leg.
Masonic entered apprentices are blindfolded, left breast exposed, and stand on the checkerboard floor

Your argument reads like a logical fallacy.

1. Masons dress like this
2. Pink dressed like this once

Therefore:

3. Pink is a Mason

I doubt there is any connection at all. Is there any proof that Pink is involved the occult? If so, can you offer some where she plainly says, "I like and am involved in Freemasonry"? Maybe Pink is just a dipstick? That performance wouldn't have been that good, at any rate, if she hadn't been doing all that foolishness. The song itself was so flat and boring. But say she knew what it was...that hardly makes her a freemason. My guess is, she thought, "hey this looks cool herp derp I wanna push some buttons!" Well, it worked.

Again, such fear; God has given us the spirit of love, not fear. Conspiracy theories and other such things used to rile up the public and make them irrationally fearful. An idol is not simply a statue, it's something we put above God. I think we need to ask ourselves; is our fear and interest in all things "occult" presiding above God? (Not that you do, I am just speaking in general terms).

LOL, "Pink dressed like this once".

Because its sooooo common to wear checkerboard pants, expose your right breast (especially if you are a woman in America) and walk around blindfolded all at the same time...  Brother you are denying something very obvious.
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This is getting hilarious. Maybe everyone's a Mason! Could you be one and not know it? Put your forehead on the pommel end of a baseball bat and spin around, to find out. ;)


Yeah, you know... "everyone's a mason".  Your attempt as a Christian to mock a fellow Christian is not Christian behavior.   If you look at the obvious and consider "women in America don't normally walk around blindfolded, with a breast exposed, and in checkerboard pants...."

So that makes "everybody" a mason.  Perhaps her dress attire was normal to you.  

One other point - Have any of you actually researched masonry, read their texts, and gone to the library and researched books about them? 

I guess they didn't pray to satan either on the MTV music awards right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eJ5QxhHQTw  Starts out as a seeming joke, ends serious....

OH WAIT, I don't want to offend.... Youtube as a source of the actual video... Oh no!
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women in America don't normally walk around blindfolded, with a breast exposed, and in checkerboard pants....

Women in America don't usually dress in raw meat either, but that hasn't stopped Lady Gaga has it?

I fail to see how this proves anything masonic is going on.
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Brother you are denying something very obvious.

I must charitably correct you, friend, for I am a sister :)
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women in America don't normally walk around blindfolded, with a breast exposed, and in checkerboard pants....

Women in America don't usually dress in raw meat either, but that hasn't stopped Lady Gaga has it?

I fail to see how this proves anything masonic is going on.

Because a blindfold, checkboards, and the breast exposed is the Masonic entered apprentice ritual.  If you knew anything about masonry, then you would know that.  It's written in their own documents.   Here is a video on the ritual itself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaV8-r1E34I
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Brother you are denying something very obvious.

I must charitably correct you, friend, for I am a sister :)

My apologies sister.
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women in America don't normally walk around blindfolded, with a breast exposed, and in checkerboard pants....

Women in America don't usually dress in raw meat either, but that hasn't stopped Lady Gaga has it?

I fail to see how this proves anything masonic is going on.

Because a blindfold, checkboards, and the breast exposed is the Masonic entered apprentice ritual.  If you knew anything about masonry, then you would know that.  It's written in their own documents.   Here is a video on the ritual itself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaV8-r1E34I

I don't know that I would, since most of freemasonry is oathbound anyhow.

I think you are reading way too much into this. Pink is just a ditz; as I said before, it is very possible she read this online, went "heh, I should do this because it's edgy or whatever" and went along and did it.

I don't see any proof that Pink is a freemason. If you can offer some other proof, such as an interview, perhaps articles in which she went to a masonic lodge, and so forth, perhaps then that would back up your argument a little. It's flawed to use one picture or one source as the backbone of your entire argument.
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My apologies sister.

No need to apologize :)

Edit: is it not also true that, because Pink is a woman, she cannot become a free mason? I thought women were not permitted to become members.
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Give it a rest, Yesh.

biro, this obviously is a topic I'm very compassionate about because I believe that many involved in the television and music industry are involved in distorting the minds of people.

Eastern Mind - Speaking of Lady Gaga, check out the director of her videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onqL3WkD7aI&feature=related forward to 1:37 and look at the shirt.
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My apologies sister.

No need to apologize :)

Edit: is it not also true that, because Pink is a woman, she cannot become a free mason? I thought women were not permitted to become members.

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Sorry.

The blog post only had pink blindfolded, her left breast exposed, and a checkerboard pants leg.
Masonic entered apprentices are blindfolded, left breast exposed, and stand on the checkerboard floor (yes it has occult meaning to masons).

This was a Masonic ritual right in front of you.  I don't understand how some of you can be so blind to this.  I also find it amazing how "the source" is attacked.

"Some blog".  "Some person".  "Some bishop".   LOOK at the photo....
Just because there is a photo near somebody's text, does not mean you have to agree with their text.  But the photo exists.  Period.

I've POSTED QUOTES from Masonic texts that admit Lucifer is their god.  What more do you want?  Wow, such denial of obviousness...

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And be responded with  "NO this is not a luceferian church".  LOL.  Even thought their texts say it is.  Also I'd be responded with "sicksadworld.info" is not a viable source for information.  LOL - sicksadworld.info merely has a photo just like the blog.  No wonder ecumenism has much of the EO church hoodwinked.  

So while the main stream media mocks your sacraments, implements anti-Christian messages to your Christian youth, provokes blasphemy against the church, implements gnostic luciferian teachings into movies you & you kids enjoy - all many can do is deny and critique the sources.  

I think its funny how people here can be so sure about arguments (in other threads) about the Nicean take on the Trinity, OO vs. EO, RC vs. EO - things that happened centuries to millenia ago - with certainty, but deny photographic and video blasphemy & masonry of things that happen "today".

So rather than ranting further, or even discussing these things on this board further I would like to see which people would be willing to ruin their full credibility by:
1) Denying that Freemasonry believes Lucifer as God.
2) Believes Freemasonry is only a fraternity (with an altar)

I have the book freemasons revere and love, written by a 33 degree mason right here in my hands.  Now let's see who denies it.


I have dealt with these issues in your other thread on Orthodox Freemasons in this forum here (and before that one, here). I even admitted you were right (or in the right general area) in a couple of points there.

In particular, this section from the first post I linked to:

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As for your quote from pg 321, how about providing a little more context for those words. Like so:

The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apothesis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone,  and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the  Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who  bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, for traditions are full of sensual or selfish Souls ? Doubt it not!  Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of  one Age nor of one Creed. Plato and Philo, also, were inspired.  The Apocalypse, indeed, is a book as obscure as the Sohar.  It is written hieroglyphically with numbers and images; and  the Apostle often appeals to the intelligence of the Initiated.  “Let him who hath knowledge, understand! let him who understands, calculate !” he often says, after an allegory or the mention  of a number. Saint John, the favorite Apostle, and the Depositary  of all the Secrets of the Saviour, therefore did not write to be  understood by the multitude.

Now we know that Lucifer, as in the Devil, can appear as an angel of light, and that his light can blind the feeble. We know that the churches throughout history (traditions) have had their share of believers who have been selfish and sensual at one time or another in their lives (just as those who are not Christian have been) leaving them open to being led astray by the Devil's false light. Also, Pike is clearly surprised that the name "Lucifer" is associated with the Prince of Darkness.

And we have proof, furthermore, that the word "lucifer" with a lowercase letter L is used to refer to Jesus. See here:

2 Peter 1:19

19 Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris:

In English:

19 And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts.

From that "day star" link:

The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning" (Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the "Exultet" of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.

But, and this is a critical distinction, when Jesus is referred to as "lucifer" it is always with a lower case l. Jesus is NEVER referred to as "Lucifer" with a capital L. The Devil, meanwhile, is the capital L Lucifer. Albert Pike is referring to the capital L Lucifer in his text, as we can plainly see.

The fact that you have not addressed could mean a couple of things. First of all, it could mean that I am right. Secondly, it could mean that you have no interest in evidence that stands contrary to your particular point of view. Third, it might demonstrate either an ignorance of history/etymology (particularly of the word Lucifer), and an inability to place things in proper context.

All of this is merely conjecture on my part, of course, but I don't think it's entirely baseless. If I have lacked sufficient charity or overstepped my bounds here, I do apologize, but I am merely trying to call things out as I see them.

The reason why we have not taken these websites seriously is not because we wish to shield ourselves from the truth or that we refuse to take the "hard medicine". It is because they are laughable. In any serious discussion forum other than here, those sites would have been drowned out in tides of justly earned laughter and ridicule, and the person posting them would probably be treated with much less charity than even the worst of us have extended to you in this thread. That Vigiliant Citizen site, for example, reminds me of the Perry Stone types. What the Bible plainly says is not good enough for them. No, there have to be hidden meanings and codes everywhere in the text foretelling all sorts of things, not the least of which is the Apocalypse. So it is the same with these mason sites you cite. The government blew up the WTC, the moon landing was staged, the chemtrails are over my house, and the masons are everywhere and quite literally hellbent on world domination and controlling our minds.

Conspiracy theories are conjured up by fervent imaginations who quite often cannot accept that the truth is so simple. Sometimes a spade is just a spade.

Also, most of the information you have posted can be traced rather directly to a well debunked hoax created by Leo Taxil. It was something he later retracted. If that is not enough, one of Taxil's contemporaries A.E. wrote an entire book, Devil Worship in France, debunking the hoax and the idea that freemason's worshiped the Devil. The author should should know a thing or two about the occult, since he practiced it!

Since you're so fond of mentioning Youtube, try this one.

Though I'm not sure if you have here, I have seen you post the "Yes, LUCIFER IS GOD, and unfortunately Adonay is also god..." passage before. You have cited pages 321 and 324 as the sources of the passage. I'm looking at those pages right now and cannot find the passages in question. This guy could not either, because it does not exist. Behold:

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The origin of this “quote” is from a book entitled Woman and Child in Universal Freemasonry published by Abel Clarin de la Rive.  The “Luciferian Quote” in this book is credited in a foot note to a woman by the name of Diana Vaughan.  Diana Vaughan was a character introduced in the writings of a man named Marie Joseph Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pagès who wrote under the pen name Leo Taxil.  For obvious reasons I shall use the pen name when referring to him from here on.
 
Taxil wrote what he called a history of Freemasonry, in four volumes which claimed to contain eye witness accounts of Masonic Satanic activity.  Another book written in 1894 by Leo Taxil and “Dr. Karl Hacks” was titled the Devil in the Nineteenth Century.  This is the book that introduced the character of Diana Vaughan who was supposed to have been involved in Satanic Masonry and an informant for Leo Taxil.
 
The “Luciferian” quote has ever since been repeated by anti-Masonic conspiracy enthusiasts even though its real creator Leo Taxil admitted his hoax.  That’s right!  On April 19, 1897 Leo Taxil called a press conference with the pretension of introducing Diana Vaughan to the public.  When the press was assembled, Taxil began a speech in which he admitted that he had in fact been perpetrating a hoax and that all of his secret information about Freemasonry was a fabrication.

Hey, there's Taxil's name again! Did you even read Morals and Dogma?

Let me provide a quote that is actually from page 324 that should leave no doubt as to who Albert Pike believes Lucifer is:

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The conviction of all men that God is good led to a belief in a Devil, the fallen Lucifer or Light-bearer, Shaitan the Adversary, Ahriman and Tupho_n, as an attempt to explain the existence of Evil, and make it consistent with the Infinite Power, Wisdom, and Benevolence of God.
Now, I have some problems with his theology here as to how the Devil came into exist (I don't think he is real, not just a work of human belief), but this ought to make plain what he means when he uses the word Lucifer, if my explanation earlier was not sufficient.

Threads like this remind me of why I try to avoid debates in general and internet debates in particular. They are a waste of time. I'm done here. If the posts I have made here are not sufficient to show you that these conspiracy theories are wrong, then I do not believe it is within my human capabilities to persuade you. I never thought I'd be such an adamant defender of freemasonry, given my problems with it that I have stated elsewhere, but threads like this sure can turn me into one, I suppose.

As I said before in this reply, if what I have said is too intemperate, blunt, or uncharitable for the standards of this forum, or if I have overstepped my bounds, I do apologize.
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Now, I have some problems with his theology here as to how the Devil came into exist (I don't think he is real, not just a work of human belief), but this ought to make plain what he means when he uses the word Lucifer, if my explanation earlier was not sufficient.
Pardon, I do believe he is real. This quote had a typo.
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This is getting hilarious. Maybe everyone's a Mason! Could you be one and not know it? Put your forehead on the pommel end of a baseball bat and spin around, to find out. ;)


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women in America don't normally walk around blindfolded, with a breast exposed, and in checkerboard pants....

Women in America don't usually dress in raw meat either, but that hasn't stopped Lady Gaga has it?

I fail to see how this proves anything masonic is going on.

Because a blindfold, checkboards, and the breast exposed is the Masonic entered apprentice ritual.  If you knew anything about masonry, then you would know that.  It's written in their own documents.   Here is a video on the ritual itself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaV8-r1E34I

This rather silly thread started following Nicki Minaj's weird 'exorcism' skit. Since she took liberal use of Catholic and Christian symbols and 'artistically' portrayed an actual ritual of the Catholic Church, i.e. exorcism (albeit in a very non-traditional way, to say the least) this must prove she and the 'artists' involved are secret Catholic Church agents, attempting to spread the Catholic Faith by means of the use of  secular 'art' in pop culture. Right? Vested bishops, crosses, stained glass windows, hymns, acolytes are all things utilized in Catholic worship, therefore it must be true.  Yeah...

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Brother you are denying something very obvious.

I must charitably correct you, friend, for I am a sister :)

Oh thank heavens.  Men with my little ponies are worse than masons.
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I remember when I was little there was a parade and the masons were all dressed up like secret service agents. They wouldn't smile.  :(


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I remember when I was little there was a parade and the masons were all dressed up like secret service agents. They wouldn't smile.  :(


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Oh thank heavens.  Men with my little ponies are worse than masons.

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My recollection of them in parades are middle aged or older, heavy set guys in shiny sweats with funny hats riding ridiculously small cars in circles ahead of the clowns.

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A blindfold and the breast exposed is a sign that you are the state of Justice at the Supreme Court.

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Sorry.

The blog post only had pink blindfolded, her left breast exposed, and a checkerboard pants leg.
Masonic entered apprentices are blindfolded, left breast exposed, and stand on the checkerboard floor (yes it has occult meaning to masons).

This was a Masonic ritual right in front of you.  I don't understand how some of you can be so blind to this.  I also find it amazing how "the source" is attacked.

"Some blog".  "Some person".  "Some bishop".   LOOK at the photo....
Just because there is a photo near somebody's text, does not mean you have to agree with their text.  But the photo exists.  Period.

I've POSTED QUOTES from Masonic texts that admit Lucifer is their god.  What more do you want?  Wow, such denial of obviousness...

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And be responded with  "NO this is not a luceferian church".  LOL.  Even thought their texts say it is.  Also I'd be responded with "sicksadworld.info" is not a viable source for information.  LOL - sicksadworld.info merely has a photo just like the blog.  No wonder ecumenism has much of the EO church hoodwinked.  

So while the main stream media mocks your sacraments, implements anti-Christian messages to your Christian youth, provokes blasphemy against the church, implements gnostic luciferian teachings into movies you & you kids enjoy - all many can do is deny and critique the sources.  

I think its funny how people here can be so sure about arguments (in other threads) about the Nicean take on the Trinity, OO vs. EO, RC vs. EO - things that happened centuries to millenia ago - with certainty, but deny photographic and video blasphemy & masonry of things that happen "today".

So rather than ranting further, or even discussing these things on this board further I would like to see which people would be willing to ruin their full credibility by:
1) Denying that Freemasonry believes Lucifer as God.
2) Believes Freemasonry is only a fraternity (with an altar)

I have the book freemasons revere and love, written by a 33 degree mason right here in my hands.  Now let's see who denies it.


I have dealt with these issues in your other thread on Orthodox Freemasons in this forum here (and before that one, here). I even admitted you were right (or in the right general area) in a couple of points there.

In particular, this section from the first post I linked to:

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As for your quote from pg 321, how about providing a little more context for those words. Like so:

The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apothesis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone,  and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the  Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who  bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, for traditions are full of sensual or selfish Souls ? Doubt it not!  Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of  one Age nor of one Creed. Plato and Philo, also, were inspired.  The Apocalypse, indeed, is a book as obscure as the Sohar.  It is written hieroglyphically with numbers and images; and  the Apostle often appeals to the intelligence of the Initiated.  “Let him who hath knowledge, understand! let him who understands, calculate !” he often says, after an allegory or the mention  of a number. Saint John, the favorite Apostle, and the Depositary  of all the Secrets of the Saviour, therefore did not write to be  understood by the multitude.

Now we know that Lucifer, as in the Devil, can appear as an angel of light, and that his light can blind the feeble. We know that the churches throughout history (traditions) have had their share of believers who have been selfish and sensual at one time or another in their lives (just as those who are not Christian have been) leaving them open to being led astray by the Devil's false light. Also, Pike is clearly surprised that the name "Lucifer" is associated with the Prince of Darkness.

And we have proof, furthermore, that the word "lucifer" with a lowercase letter L is used to refer to Jesus. See here:

2 Peter 1:19

19 Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris:

In English:

19 And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your hearts.

From that "day star" link:

The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning" (Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the "Exultet" of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.

But, and this is a critical distinction, when Jesus is referred to as "lucifer" it is always with a lower case l. Jesus is NEVER referred to as "Lucifer" with a capital L. The Devil, meanwhile, is the capital L Lucifer. Albert Pike is referring to the capital L Lucifer in his text, as we can plainly see.

The fact that you have not addressed could mean a couple of things. First of all, it could mean that I am right. Secondly, it could mean that you have no interest in evidence that stands contrary to your particular point of view. Third, it might demonstrate either an ignorance of history/etymology (particularly of the word Lucifer), and an inability to place things in proper context.

All of this is merely conjecture on my part, of course, but I don't think it's entirely baseless. If I have lacked sufficient charity or overstepped my bounds here, I do apologize, but I am merely trying to call things out as I see them.

The reason why we have not taken these websites seriously is not because we wish to shield ourselves from the truth or that we refuse to take the "hard medicine". It is because they are laughable. In any serious discussion forum other than here, those sites would have been drowned out in tides of justly earned laughter and ridicule, and the person posting them would probably be treated with much less charity than even the worst of us have extended to you in this thread. That Vigiliant Citizen site, for example, reminds me of the Perry Stone types. What the Bible plainly says is not good enough for them. No, there have to be hidden meanings and codes everywhere in the text foretelling all sorts of things, not the least of which is the Apocalypse. So it is the same with these mason sites you cite. The government blew up the WTC, the moon landing was staged, the chemtrails are over my house, and the masons are everywhere and quite literally hellbent on world domination and controlling our minds.

Conspiracy theories are conjured up by fervent imaginations who quite often cannot accept that the truth is so simple. Sometimes a spade is just a spade.

Also, most of the information you have posted can be traced rather directly to a well debunked hoax created by Leo Taxil. It was something he later retracted. If that is not enough, one of Taxil's contemporaries A.E. wrote an entire book, Devil Worship in France, debunking the hoax and the idea that freemason's worshiped the Devil. The author should should know a thing or two about the occult, since he practiced it!

Since you're so fond of mentioning Youtube, try this one.

Though I'm not sure if you have here, I have seen you post the "Yes, LUCIFER IS GOD, and unfortunately Adonay is also god..." passage before. You have cited pages 321 and 324 as the sources of the passage. I'm looking at those pages right now and cannot find the passages in question. This guy could not either, because it does not exist. Behold:

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The origin of this “quote” is from a book entitled Woman and Child in Universal Freemasonry published by Abel Clarin de la Rive.  The “Luciferian Quote” in this book is credited in a foot note to a woman by the name of Diana Vaughan.  Diana Vaughan was a character introduced in the writings of a man named Marie Joseph Gabriel Antoine Jogand-Pagès who wrote under the pen name Leo Taxil.  For obvious reasons I shall use the pen name when referring to him from here on.
 
Taxil wrote what he called a history of Freemasonry, in four volumes which claimed to contain eye witness accounts of Masonic Satanic activity.  Another book written in 1894 by Leo Taxil and “Dr. Karl Hacks” was titled the Devil in the Nineteenth Century.  This is the book that introduced the character of Diana Vaughan who was supposed to have been involved in Satanic Masonry and an informant for Leo Taxil.
 
The “Luciferian” quote has ever since been repeated by anti-Masonic conspiracy enthusiasts even though its real creator Leo Taxil admitted his hoax.  That’s right!  On April 19, 1897 Leo Taxil called a press conference with the pretension of introducing Diana Vaughan to the public.  When the press was assembled, Taxil began a speech in which he admitted that he had in fact been perpetrating a hoax and that all of his secret information about Freemasonry was a fabrication.

Hey, there's Taxil's name again! Did you even read Morals and Dogma?

Let me provide a quote that is actually from page 324 that should leave no doubt as to who Albert Pike believes Lucifer is:

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The conviction of all men that God is good led to a belief in a Devil, the fallen Lucifer or Light-bearer, Shaitan the Adversary, Ahriman and Tupho_n, as an attempt to explain the existence of Evil, and make it consistent with the Infinite Power, Wisdom, and Benevolence of God.
Now, I have some problems with his theology here as to how the Devil came into exist (I don't think he is real, not just a work of human belief), but this ought to make plain what he means when he uses the word Lucifer, if my explanation earlier was not sufficient.

Threads like this remind me of why I try to avoid debates in general and internet debates in particular. They are a waste of time. I'm done here. If the posts I have made here are not sufficient to show you that these conspiracy theories are wrong, then I do not believe it is within my human capabilities to persuade you. I never thought I'd be such an adamant defender of freemasonry, given my problems with it that I have stated elsewhere, but threads like this sure can turn me into one, I suppose.

As I said before in this reply, if what I have said is too intemperate, blunt, or uncharitable for the standards of this forum, or if I have overstepped my bounds, I do apologize.

This is exactly the way that Masons trick their members into believing that Lucifer is Jesus.  Comparing "Day Star" and "Morning Star".   They mean two different things.

Here rather than giving you a book - http://www.ephesians5-11.org/gllink.htm  - This link has MANY quotes from many masonic texts.  As for people who will jump on me for internet "sources" - this page contains excerpts from Masonic books.

This is not a conspiracy theory.  Masons have incredible power over our nation, media, and television "programming".
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women in America don't normally walk around blindfolded, with a breast exposed, and in checkerboard pants....

Women in America don't usually dress in raw meat either, but that hasn't stopped Lady Gaga has it?

I fail to see how this proves anything masonic is going on.

Because a blindfold, checkboards, and the breast exposed is the Masonic entered apprentice ritual.  If you knew anything about masonry, then you would know that.  It's written in their own documents.   Here is a video on the ritual itself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaV8-r1E34I

This rather silly thread started following Nicki Minaj's weird 'exorcism' skit. Since she took liberal use of Catholic and Christian symbols and 'artistically' portrayed an actual ritual of the Catholic Church, i.e. exorcism (albeit in a very non-traditional way, to say the least) this must prove she and the 'artists' involved are secret Catholic Church agents, attempting to spread the Catholic Faith by means of the use of  secular 'art' in pop culture. Right? Vested bishops, crosses, stained glass windows, hymns, acolytes are all things utilized in Catholic worship, therefore it must be true.  Yeah...

Well it certainly wasn't a song about grasshoppers, flowers, or a pretty river, cars, gold, food, play dough, or good family values.    Rather, she blasphemes the sacrament of confession and unction, and even spreads her legs around the arm of the priest praying.  It was approved for television and broad casted to millions of people.  All paid for by advertising.  The costume, sets, props, pyrotechnics & smoke, and dance routine were all approved.   It certainly didn't look like a spur of the moment thing to me.

Conspiracy to blaspheme?  Well if it wasn't a conspiracy, then certainly it was one heck of a coincidence.
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YIM, please read The Freemasons: A History of the World's Most Powerful Secret Society by Jasper Ridley, if you want an actual objective history and understanding of the Freemasons.

What you have spouted here is complete fiction.
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I remember when I was little there was a parade and the masons were all dressed up like secret service agents. They wouldn't smile.  :(


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Oh thank heavens.  Men with my little ponies are worse than masons.

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My recollection of them in parades are middle aged or older, heavy set guys in shiny sweats with funny hats riding ridiculously small cars in circles ahead of the clowns.

Shriners.  Their hat was called a FEZ.
If you care to read about the fez http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/obscene_red_fezzies.htm
also http://www.bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm has info on the fez.
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YIM, please read The Freemasons: A History of the World's Most Powerful Secret Society by Jasper Ridley, if you want an actual objective history and understanding of the Freemasons.

What you have spouted here is complete fiction.

Prove its fiction, lets see your source.  I have their texts that call lucifer God.  I have copies of their initiation rituals where they blaspheme God such as :

In the Royal Arch degree of the York Rite, the  Companion Captain  of the Host is asked if he is a Royal Arch Mason and  he replies  "I am, that I am."

I've given out page numbers of their texts. 

So if "I'm spouting fiction", where are your facts?  I have their books & texts brother.
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YIM, please read The Freemasons: A History of the World's Most Powerful Secret Society by Jasper Ridley, if you want an actual objective history and understanding of the Freemasons.

What you have spouted here is complete fiction.

Prove its fiction, lets see your source.  I have their texts that call lucifer God.  I have copies of their initiation rituals where they blaspheme God such as :

In the Royal Arch degree of the York Rite, the  Companion Captain  of the Host is asked if he is a Royal Arch Mason and  he replies  "I am, that I am."

I've given out page numbers of their texts.  

So if "I'm spouting fiction", where are your facts?  I have their books & texts brother.

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This is exactly the way that Masons trick their members into believing that Lucifer is Jesus.  Comparing "Day Star" and "Morning Star".   They mean two different things.  

We do worship Lucifer.

As I said in another thread, if people are going to get all pseudo-intellectual, then they get held to the absurd standard they are attempting to maintain.

EDIT: I'll let the Latin Mass Nerds take over, once you go nuts about the statement above.

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This is exactly the way that Masons trick their members into believing that Lucifer is Jesus. 
How convenient that you would say that.

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Comparing "Day Star" and "Morning Star".   They mean two different things.
It's irrelevant what we call him in English. The fact is that the word "lucifer" is used in Latin to refer to both Jesus and the Devil, with the critical distinction I outlined.

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Here rather than giving you a book - http://www.ephesians5-11.org/gllink.htm  - This link has MANY quotes from many masonic texts.  As for people who will jump on me for internet "sources" - this page contains excerpts from Masonic books.
Pike makes it very clear what he means when he says "Lucifer". "[T]he fallen Lucifer or Light-bearer, Shaitan the Adversary, Ahriman and Tupho_n, as an attempt to explain the existence of Evil".

It is impossible for that passage by Levi to have influenced Pike's Morals and Dogma. This is made evident by two things:

1) Pike makes very clear who he thinks Lucifer is, and it is a definition that is very much opposed to Levi's belief. On page 324 of M&D, Pike says: "the fallen Lucifer or Light-bearer, Shaitan the Adversary, Ahriman and Tupho_n, as an attempt to explain the existence of Evil".
2) Pike's Morals and Dogma was published in 1871. The book that particular passage of Levi was taken from was published in 1883. That's over a decade later than Pike.

Levi was a mason, but he left the order long before the 1880s. He left in the early 1860s. He was involved with some order called the "Golden Dawn" later, but no legitimate masonic lodge as one of their own.

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This is not a conspiracy theory.  Masons have incredible power over our nation, media, and television "programming".
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Anyways, you have not explained how the only supposed passage from M&D inferring Satanic worship is a complete fabrication. You have not directly addressed my refutations. All you have done is spout talking points, post links claiming they'll fix our perspectives when they only say the same crap, and shut out any opposing point of view as masonic lies.
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I'll say it, so Orthonorm doesn't have to wait for other people to get the joke: Jesus is referred to as 'bright and the morning star' in Revelation, if I remember correctly.
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YIM, please read The Freemasons: A History of the World's Most Powerful Secret Society by Jasper Ridley, if you want an actual objective history and understanding of the Freemasons.

What you have spouted here is complete fiction.

Prove its fiction, lets see your source.  I have their texts that call lucifer God.
You have forgeries and mutilated contexts.
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Here is the Satanic prayer I used to open lodge last Monday:

"Most holy and glorious Lord God, the Great Architect of the Universe: the Giver of all good gifts and graces! Thou hast promised that, "where two or three are gathered together in Thy name, Thou wilt be in their midst and bless them. In Thy name was have assembled, and in Thy name we desire to proceed in all our doings. Grant that the sublime principles of Freemasonry may so subdue every discordant passion within us—so harmonize and enrich our hearts with Thine own love and goodness—that the Lodge at this time may humbly reflect that order and beauty which reign for ever before Thy throne.—Amen."

And at closing:

"SUPREME Architect of the Universe, accept our humble thanks for the many mercies and blessings which Thy bounty has conferred on us, and especially for this friendly and social intercourse. Pardon, we beseech Thee, whatever Thou hast seen amiss in us since we have been together; and continue to us Thy presence, protection, and blessing. Make us sensible of the renewed obligations we are under to love Thee, and as we are about to separate, and return to our respective places of abode, wilt Thou be pleased so to influence our hearts and minds, that we may each one of us practice, out of the Lodge, those great moral duties which are inculcated in it, and with reverence study and obey the laws which Thou hast given us in thy Holy Word.—Amen."

These direct references to the words of Christ and praise of the Bible sure are demonic!

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To play Devil's Advocate (no pun intended), one would retort with "The Great Architect" is not a name for God and therefore the prayer could not be attributed to Him. I've heard alot of these arguments before.
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To play Devil's Advocate (no pun intended), one would retort with "The Great Architect" is not a name for God and therefore the prayer could not be attributed to Him. I've heard alot of these arguments before.

The first response would be, "then who designed the universe?" A second response, which I think is more compelling, is who promised, "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."?

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The first response would be, "then who designed the universe?"
That depends on who you ask. It gets even murkier if there is a Muslim Mason, or a Jewish one.

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"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."?
Something an Atheist Mason would argue. Poor arguments really.

Please understand that I'm all not Mr. Tinfoil hat. I just know alot of these arguments as where I live is heavily anti-Mason (note: yet most of the judges are Masons...as are the farmers and cops.....)

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The first response would be, "then who designed the universe?"
That depends on who you ask. It gets even murkier if there is a Muslim Mason, or a Jewish one.

Ok, but so what? If the argument is against generic prayer, then that is hardly unique to the Masons. Perhaps a Christian should also never be a member of Congress or the local Boy Scout troop, either.

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"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."?
Something an Atheist Mason would argue. Poor arguments really.

Please understand that I'm all not Mr. Tinfoil hat. I just know alot of these arguments as where I live is heavily anti-Mason (note: yet most of the judges are Masons...as are the farmers and cops.....)

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There is no such thing as an atheist Mason. I bet atheists also say that the capital of Nebraska is Lincoln. Who cares what an atheist would say?

The cited opening prayer specifically references Christ's words, "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst" and attributes them to whom is prayer is directed. It's quite explicit.

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Ok, but so what? If the argument is against generic prayer, then that is hardly unique to the Masons. Perhaps a Christian should also never be a member of Congress or the local Boy Scout troop, either
That is my meaning. A generic prayer really is not in Christ's name. You can use His words, but that does not mean everyone there is gathered in Christ's name.

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Ok, but so what? If the argument is against generic prayer, then that is hardly unique to the Masons. Perhaps a Christian should also never be a member of Congress or the local Boy Scout troop, either
That is my meaning. A generic prayer really is not in Christ's name. You can use His words, but that does not mean everyone there is gathered in Christ's name.

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He didn't say "when everyone in the room is gathered in my name", but "when two or three are gathered in my name". If two Christians are gathered in His name while an unbeliever is also in the room, does it not count?

I wonder if the Lord's Prayer counts as "generic prayer". It is simply to "Our Father". Who is "Our Father" is a Muslim or Jew?

(fun fact: at every installation ceremony I have attended, the outgoing master is presented with a framed copy of the Lord's Prayer)

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YIM, please read The Freemasons: A History of the World's Most Powerful Secret Society by Jasper Ridley, if you want an actual objective history and understanding of the Freemasons.

What you have spouted here is complete fiction.

Prove its fiction, lets see your source.  I have their texts that call lucifer God.  I have copies of their initiation rituals where they blaspheme God such as :

In the Royal Arch degree of the York Rite, the  Companion Captain  of the Host is asked if he is a Royal Arch Mason and  he replies  "I am, that I am."

I've given out page numbers of their texts.  

So if "I'm spouting fiction", where are your facts?  I have their books & texts brother.

Thank you, yesh, for exposing the Masonic conspiracy behind Popeye, as well.


Uhm... What?