Actually, I was referring to you "coming in off the street". You know, like a Rasta would most likely have dreadlocks. I don't know about you, but I more often dressed the way I dressed because I liked the way it looked and not to "make a statement". Make a statement dress was for hippies.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other, my friend. Punks are mostly just hippies with slightly different drug habits.
It depends, of course, upon why the "norms" of the community are the "norms" of the community. Are people dressing nicer to honor God or to keep a good reputation in the Ethnic Country Club Orthodox Church? I've seen more than a few of the latter parishes that would benefit greatly from a few punks and Rastas (or monks!) in attendance.
I'm not sure what you mean with that last statement.
As long as that's the reason, perfect. FWIW, I don't have a 12" mohawk anymore and the bondage pants are in the back of the closet somewhere. Nobody demanded these things of me, Church just naturally became more important than punk. That said, I wouldn't pressure any of my old friends to dress better if they were going to the parish with me.
"Church just naturally became more important than punk" - excellent. As far pressuring anybody...well, it's never good to pressure anyone, and always beneficial to the curious that they be allowed to come as they are (if they haven't made a commitment, why potentially scare them off?). At the same time, I would think that most people do have a sense that going to church does entail, if not a particular level of formal dress, at least an attempt to dress as you might when visiting non-whatever you are relatives, or your boss, or something of that level. And if they don't, then I don't think it's "pressure" to tell them that gently, especially if you invite them. I mean, you want them to get something out of it other than "all of those strange people stared at me", don't you? (In my experience as the white guy in the Coptic Church, I don't think anyone would actually do
that, but I also know from personal experience that if it is not what you are used to, you'll feel that way anyway, so there's no need to add to it by increasing the "fish out of water" feeling by not trying to prepare your friends as best as you can. There is a happy medium, and it doesn't require anyone buy a new suit or whatever. I wear the same outfit now that I wrote to the hundreds of RC masses I attended, and no one thinks it odd.)
Less about "you're not punk" and more about- well, let's put it like this, we've got a few members of the board who used to be hippies back in the sixties. Now, I'm sure the ones who were hippies just because that was the thing to do probably do think they looked pretty stupid with the whole tie-dye, semi-Native-American, long hair look. Those who believed in the ideals of the community, had good friends, and fond memories of the movement, on the other hand, probably still think the look was kind of awesome, even if it doesn't fit with who they are today.
I suppose I don't go in for the "ideals" bit of the musical subculture because by now I'm old and bitter, but really even back then, as a teenager...like I wrote, you can be inspired by the music and what it presents you, that's really great, but in the end it's still music. I think it is silly to be the "we mean it, maaaaan
" guy. Who's to say that those people who you look at and think are just dressing the part don't also really mean it? You're not in their heads; you don't know. In the end it doesn't even matter. You're a group of people who have created a little community around listening to and making and consuming similar music, books, magazines, whatever. That's it. It's fun and it may have a big impact on your life, but it's not more important or revolutionary or whatever than anything else that's out there. In fact, the argument could be made that there is very little that is less useless
than being punk, rasta, hippie, or whatever. But I digress...often...
However, if the punks you hung with didn't dress like "hardcore (the genre, not a definition of level of devotion) punks", that is also understandable- punk being as diverse as it is.
Eh, some did, some didn't. Didn't matter. The place I grew up in was so small, you couldn't form cliques around that kind of thing.
Yeah, I did that before my last punk-look hurrah. Went from mohawked punk in the South where there wasn't a scene to semi-hippy Joey Ramone look when I moved to Chicago and was disgusted by the punk-fashion-show that went on in the clubs. Then realized that dressing in any way as a form of protest was just as lame as dressing a certain way to conform and that I really liked having a kick-a mohawk- and would start balding in about 10 years, so have fun now.
That's cool. For me I reached a point when I was about 19 or 20 when I kind of woke up and realized that staying out until 3 am every weekend watching bands I didn't really like was not conducive to the kind of life I wanted (to say nothing of playing in
and touring with bands I didn't like, ughhh). I wanted to get educated (still do) and maybe meet a nice young lady who I could to out with to somewhere that wasn't a basement or the back of a record store, who might have something deeper to talk about then bands and politics. I have some great memories of those days, but it's definitely not something I'd want to do again.
Translation? Google does not recognize the language.
Serbo-Croatian, "I'm a punk in an old jacket" by the one and only Peking Duck, the heroes and legends of Yugoslavian "novi val".
Again, you don't wear bondage pants because they're "punk". You wear bondage pants because they're awesome (unless we're talking the Hot-topic goth-emo style of bondage pants)- and scare homophobic red-necks.
Eh...alright. I don't really see how that squares with the whole "dressing up to make a statement is for hippies", and I like wearing pants that I can move in, but to each their own.