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Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« on: August 28, 2016, 09:06:01 PM »
Hi,

What exactly do the lesser Oriental Churches such as the Coptics, and lesser Eastern Churches such as the Assyrians, believe about the following:

Filioque
Original Sin
Immaculate Conception
Purgatory
Hell
Indefectability
Unleavened Bread
Ancestral Sin
Toll Houses
Uncreated Light
Divine Essence-Energies

Are they more in agreement with the Catholic Church, or the Eastern Orthodox Churches?

Thanks in advance and God bless.
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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2016, 09:11:12 PM »
Define "lesser."

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2016, 09:13:03 PM »
Define "lesser."

Lesser in quantity of members. More has been added BTW.

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2016, 10:55:43 PM »
Define "lesser."

Lesser in quantity of members. More has been added BTW.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is larger than every Eastern Orthodox Church except the Russian Church.  The Coptic Orthodox Church is larger than every Eastern Orthodox Church except the Russian and Romanian Churches. 

So does "lesser Eastern" include 12 Eastern Orthodox Churches? 
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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2016, 11:45:20 PM »
I think OP probably misspoke in using the word lesser. I'm assuming that is probably due to his unfamiliarity with our non-Chalcedonian brethren and sisters. That being said, I think the original question is an interesting one. We often limit the differences to Chalcedon, but what of other issues like those raised? I would imagine that they are more in line with EO regarding things like purgatory, original sin, the filioque, while perhaps not accepting things like the toll-houses.
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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 12:18:45 AM »
Hi,

What exactly do the lesser Oriental Churches such as the Coptics, and lesser Eastern Churches such as the Assyrians, believe about the following:

Filioque
Original Sin
Immaculate Conception
Purgatory
Hell
Ancestral Sin
Oriental Orthodox and Assyrians teach the same as EOs I think on these above. Basically the Roman Catholic Church made its own positions up on these questions after Christianity had already started.

On all or almost all the issues below, the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox have the same position as far as I know:
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Divine Essence-Energies
Indefectability
Uncreated Light
Toll Houses




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Unleavened Bread
Only Western Rite Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox Armenians use unleavened bread, I think. But this is not really a key difference I think between any of the groups you've asked about. For example, Copts and Armenians are in communion with each other even though only Armenians use unleavened bread.

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 06:24:18 AM »
Define "lesser."

Lesser in quantity of members. More has been added BTW.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is larger than every Eastern Orthodox Church except the Russian Church.  The Coptic Orthodox Church is larger than every Eastern Orthodox Church except the Russian and Romanian Churches. 

So does "lesser Eastern" include 12 Eastern Orthodox Churches?

That list still places Eastern Orthodoxy above Oriental Orthodoxy.....

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 06:31:21 AM »
On all or almost all the issues below, the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox have the same position as far as I know:
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Divine Essence-Energies
Indefectability
Uncreated Light
Toll Houses

Not sure why I asked about Indefectability, since Catholic Doctrine includes the Apostolic See; so obviously the others will differ. I guess I had a brain fart moment.

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 11:05:39 AM »
Define "lesser."

Lesser in quantity of members. More has been added BTW.

The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is larger than every Eastern Orthodox Church except the Russian Church.  The Coptic Orthodox Church is larger than every Eastern Orthodox Church except the Russian and Romanian Churches. 

So does "lesser Eastern" include 12 Eastern Orthodox Churches?

That list still places Eastern Orthodoxy above Oriental Orthodoxy.....

In total numbers, yes. 
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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 11:06:45 AM »
I don't believe I've seen "lesser" used to refer to the OO in any source after the early 20th century.

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 12:12:27 PM »
I don't believe I've seen "lesser" used to refer to the OO in any source after the early 20th century.

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:28:06 PM »
I don't believe I've seen "lesser" used to refer to the OO in any source after the early 20th century.

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I have seen it in some old books that no one reads anymore.

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 08:05:21 PM »
I don't believe I've seen "lesser" used to refer to the OO in any source after the early 20th century.

Oh well, the term 'lesser' isn't the topic anyway.

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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 09:03:46 PM »
I think it was an interesting question in the OP.  Sort of comparative dogma?  Curious minds want to know.  I was trying to wrap my mind around the Immaculate Conception a couple days ago, and wondering exactly how it was tied to the doctrine of Original Sin, and how various views of the Fall and its consequences would affect such a dogma...and then life happened and I didn't find much out.   :-\  ;D


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Re: Lesser Oriental and Eastern beliefs
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 10:16:18 PM »
I don't believe I've seen "lesser" used to refer to the OO in any source after the early 20th century.

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I have seen it in some old books that no one reads anymore.

You might be able to find these same books in google books though...maybe some of them might be written "Lefser"
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