Serge stated: "Ukraine is one of the Russias."
How about Russia is one of the Ukraines
Reader Serge later stated:
"The joke is blunt but true. The language and culture of far southwestern Ukraine (the rest is Russian)"
True but not true. Yes Western Ukraine the place where our language is most used, that is the language of Taras Shevchenko (pure Ukrainian). Some Polish may be mixed but rare. People there are staunch Ukes and try to keep themselves pure. The most Polish influence you will hear is Shvyatiy instead the proper Svyatiy. Not a big deal. But in western Ukraine, the language is really proper.
Actually Russian is used a lot in central, southern, and eastern Ukraine, but Ukrainian is coming back, thank God.
We went to my grandfathers village outside of Poltava and pure Ukrainian was spoken, again an area of nationally aware people. This is the historic center of Kozak Ukraine. We heard lots of Ukrainian in Kyiv as well along with Kharkiv and other major cities. Although Russian was used, Ukrainian is comming back strong. Odesa is the most Russified city along with the whole Crimea so Russian is predominant there.
"and of the diaspora active in North America are exactly that, a mixture of the two. Elements of Russian culture — Byzantine Rite, Cyrillic alphabet"
Maybe elements of Ukrainian culture in Russia hmmmm....
"— to show they’re not Polish, but elements of Polish culture — Catholic allegiance,"
linguistic differences — to show they’re not Great Russian."
Not really. Ukrainian is it's own language, different from Russian, different from Polish. It is very evident to native speakers, yet some Ukrainian dialects will mix either some Russian or Polish.
"Ukrainianism sometimes seems a matter of negation."
Well don't forget there is a Ukrainian language seperate to that of all other 12 major Slavic rooted languages.
Ukrainian is the root of all Slavic languages, but like all languages, they evolve.
"Though the southern Russian and Ukrainian accents have something in common not with Polish but rather with Slovak — the accent is softer, less guttural, with the hard g’s of Russian and Polish turning into h sounds."
Yes beacuse southern Ukraine is heavily Russified.
Hypo-Orthodox stated: "All these ethnic "jokes" hit a sensitive area below the belt."
True. the popular belief in this thread is that Ukrainian people, language, culture, history, etc. is a mix of Polish and Russian which is very biased and in many cases not true. Ukrainians aren't a mix of Russians and Poles, although some maybe be, no different than Russians having Swedish blood or Poles having German.