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« on: February 02, 2012, 12:53:01 PM »

 I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 12:54:22 PM »

Why wouldn't he?
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 01:38:47 PM »

I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?

Thomas Aquinas was one of several theologians who did not accept the concept of the Immaculate Conception, as it was not considered to be Catholic dogma then.

However, since he was born after the Great Schism (1054 A.D.) and the filioque was one of the main reasons for the schism between Catholics and Orthodoxy, yes, he supported the doctrine of the filioque. Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 01:45:37 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 01:50:14 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

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i doubt much would have come of it either way...
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 01:52:40 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 02:45:09 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 04:17:28 PM »

I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?
Summa Theologica: First part. Question 36, article 2: Whether the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Son?
"...Hence also the Greeks themselves recognize that the procession of the Holy Ghost has some order to the Son. For they grant that the Holy Ghost is the Spirit "of the Son"; and that He is from the Father "through the Son." Some of them are said also to concede that "He is from the Son"; or that "He flows from the Son," but not that He proceeds..."
Thomas's exposition has to some extent been superceded by a recent document.
http://www.scoba.us/resources/orthodox-catholic/2003filioque.html
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 04:30:36 PM »

I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?

Thomas Aquinas was one of several theologians who did not accept the concept of the Immaculate Conception, as it was not considered to be Catholic dogma then.

However, since he was born after the Great Schism (1054 A.D.) and the filioque was one of the main reasons for the schism between Catholics and Orthodoxy, yes, he supported the doctrine of the filioque. Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Surely you mean the 2nd Council of Lyons (1272-1274), not the Council of Florence.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 04:39:30 PM »

I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?

Thomas Aquinas was one of several theologians who did not accept the concept of the Immaculate Conception, as it was not considered to be Catholic dogma then.

However, since he was born after the Great Schism (1054 A.D.) and the filioque was one of the main reasons for the schism between Catholics and Orthodoxy, yes, he supported the doctrine of the filioque. Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Surely you mean the 2nd Council of Lyons (1272-1274), not the Council of Florence.

Yes, you are correct as he was born in 1225 and died on 7 March 1274.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 03:45:46 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 04:02:13 PM »

Quote from: Maria
Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2012, 04:18:11 PM »

Quote from: Maria
Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 05:01:12 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Yes...like that they really were secret Dominicans!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Just kidding!!!!  Couldn't resist it--it's Friday, and I'm gettin' punchy  Grin.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2012, 05:05:33 PM »

The Secret Dominicans is a good name for a band.
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2012, 05:06:12 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Yes...like that they really were secret Dominicans!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Just kidding!!!!  Couldn't resist it--it's Friday, and I'm gettin' punchy  Grin.

Obviously, St. Seraphim saw the good and acknowledged it.
Pope John-Paul II mentioned St. Seraphim and St. Dominic in his book Threshold of Hope (I think it was called).
Both emitted the Holy Light of Christ from their foreheads, a foretaste of our own glorification at the Final Resurrection.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2012, 05:06:27 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2012, 05:07:20 PM »

The Secret Dominicans is a good name for a band.

What type of music do they play--Russian Reggae?
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2012, 05:07:43 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2012, 05:09:33 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Yes...like that they really were secret Dominicans!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Just kidding!!!!  Couldn't resist it--it's Friday, and I'm gettin' punchy  Grin.

Obviously, St. Seraphim saw the good and acknowledged it.
Pope John-Paul II mentioned St. Seraphim and St. Dominic in his book Threshold of Hope (I think it was called).
Both emitted the Holy Light of Christ from their foreheads, a foretaste of our own glorification at the Final Resurrection.

3 of my most favorite saints, by the way.
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2012, 05:13:00 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2012, 05:14:13 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2012, 05:16:31 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.

Be careful what you wish for  Grin Grin!

Besides, when did Papist become crypto  Grin?
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2012, 05:23:09 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.

Be careful what you wish for  Grin Grin!

Besides, when did Papist become crypto  Grin?
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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2012, 05:28:42 PM »

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Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.  Cry Cry

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.  Wink

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?
In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.

Be careful what you wish for  Grin Grin!

Besides, when did Papist become crypto  Grin?
Oh, I'm not. Everybody knows how I feel about pretty much everything at this point.  Cheesy

Phew!!  Had me worried for a nano-second  Cheesy!
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2012, 07:12:57 PM »


Cool.  Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Thanks.  Doesn't really surprise me - there's a lot of vignettes like this in medieval/early modern history, especially in Eastern Europe, which are undiscovered or which are known only to a small group of historians. 
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O Lord although I desired to blot out
with my tears the handwriting of my many sins
And for the rest of my life to please Thee
through sincere repentance
Yet doth the enemy lead me astray as he wareth
against my sould with his cunning

O Lord before I utterly perish do Thou save me!
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