Here's askin' you, Fr. Ambrose.....What say you?
So how did I go with answering that one?
Well, I'm not
impressed, to tell you the truth
To be honest with you, there's too much going on, both on this thread (far
too many sub-topics and tangents for me to concentrate on) and in my life and work to devote the kind of time and energy needed to continue to engage here on a truly meaningful level--besides, you're as wily as a fox and slippery as a greased eel, with far too much antipathy towards the Catholic Church to engage in a truly give-and-take kind of discussion
. You, me, and others here have been or are far too invested in being "right" than in any thing else. This leads to the spilling of way too much (cyber) ink, as it were and brings to mind Matt. 12:35-37-- The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.
 I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter;
 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
My concern is as much for my own salvation as for yours and others here. I know that I, for one, have been guilty of uttering far too many careless words here, and possibly of encouraging others to utter their own careless words. So, I think that enough is enough, at least for now, and it's time for me, once again, to bow out and focus a little more on my interior spiritual life than on these never-ending, basically fruitless and often toxic so-called "discussions". So, I'll sit back and watch and maybe even "get my toes wet" here and there, but that's about it. So, have "fun", IrishHermit
One last comment for now: You quote Patriarch Pavel (?) as saying something to the effect of, "We must forgive, but we must never forget." This is very true, and as a Jew, I know well the truth of it. I'm reminded, however, of something someone else, and I can't remember who, once said: "If we truly
forgive, then we will eventually forget that which we have forgiven." I don't know if that is always true, but I have found that to be true in my own life--at least a little bit