This is a sensitive topic for me and I in no ways wish to insult a priest, a very good man. Whenever my priest goes out of town (which has been a lot lately) or is otherwise unable, the celebration of Vespers and also Orthros and the Divine Liturgy has been left to a retired archpriest. However, he is a Western Rite priest. He does not know the Eastern Rite well at all. He frequently skips over individual parts of the service, he does not know the rubrics and frequently adds/subtracts words from the service as he deems fit. As a result, the "dialogue" between priest and faithful is choppy, at best, and doesn't flow organically. He's also does not know the Byzantine tones (and he has said he has no desire to learn them) and it is very hard for us chanters to pitch off of him and he cannot pitch off of us. And, one more matter, in his sermons, he always talks about the Western Rite and how Orthodox it is.
Does this happen anywhere else where a Western Rite priest will serve an Eastern Rite Vespers, Orthros and Divine Liturgy? Again, he is a very good man, but frankly, he doesn't know what he's doing a lot of the time and it impedes my ability to pray.
To moderators: I apologize if I put this in the wrong place, but there are multiple issues here.
Hi scamandrius. I'm probably not going to be any help as far as answering your question -- as a matter of fact, I have never even managed to get to a WRO Liturgy (although I would certainly like to, given the opportunity).
But I wanted to chime in here anyhow, because what you spoke about (and even the thread title) on the Orthodox side seems to me to be in very strong contrast to how it is on the Catholic (Roman and Eastern) side.
There was a thread on byzcath, about a year ago, about the possibility of an EC parish celebrating a western liturgy; I don't want to quote the whole thing, but I think that just one quote summarizes it well:
In view of that I'm curious: have any of you been to, or at least heard of, an EC parish that actually uses the Roman Rite, or another western rite? Not a hybrid, I mean, but truly a western rite?
This is a praxis that ceased to be when our parishes were no longer served by untrained Latin priests for lack of our own clergy. It could only be justified presently if a parish had no priest and a Latin priest without faculties were asked to afford pastoral care to it in the interim until one could be assigned.
An attempt to do so by a priest of a sui iuris Church would, at the very least, violate the Particular Law of his Church and the priest would find quickly himself in the same situation as the 'renegade' Ukrainians.
(By "in the same situation as the 'renegade' Ukrainians" I believe Neil was referring to excommunication.) I'm not by any means trying to suggest that there shouldn't be any differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, but I'm wondering if anyone can help me understand why, on this particular issue, it seems to be so radically different on the Orthodox side than on the Catholic side?