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« on: September 22, 2004, 06:19:19 PM »

September 22 is the shared birthday of Bilbo and Frodo Baggins and marks several occasions in the LotR.  Many Tolkien Societies, Mythopoeic groups and other fans have parties/picnics/get togethers on or around this date.

By a curious coincidence, it is also the birthday of Sauron, sort of.  Sala Baker, the New Zealand gentleman who was a member of the second unit work crew until he became the wearer of Sauron's Armor also has September 22 as his birthday.  

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2004, 06:55:01 PM »

Smiley Thank you, Ebor. Your LotR tid bits are always welcome! And since we are on the topic, any news of a release date for the Extended Edition of ROTK?
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2004, 07:09:08 PM »

The last word I saw was December before Christmas.  There is a possibility that they may show the Extended Return of the King in theaters, but no definite information on that, that I've seen.  I'll be sure to post here anything I find out.

I'm glad that you enjoy my Tolkien posts. Smiley

Here's a quote from Sala Baker about the armor:

(on Sauron's armour) "They made two outfits: one full metal one and one polyurethane one. It took about an hour and a half to two hours to put on, and weighed 40 odd kilo's."  

That's around 80 pounds of armor.  Mr. Baker is a big strong guy.

For anyone in the lower Pennsylvania/Maryland/Delaware/Northern Virginia area, btw  The Baltimore Symphony Orchestra with (I think) The Choral Arts and trebles and altos from the Maryland State Boy Choir are supposed to be performing Howard Shore's "Lord of the Rings" Symphony in Baltimore on December 7 and 8, 2004.  Mr. Shore may or may not be conducting, it depends on his work schedule.   If it's like other performances I've read of, along with the music, images from John Howe's and Alan Lee's art work will be shown. They were the art designers for the movies.

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2004, 07:28:24 PM »

I went up to Boston for an old friend's birthday party, and on Sunday we went to the exhibit at the Boston Museum of Science.

I got to hold Glamdring. The real one. I want one.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2004, 02:23:08 AM »

I got to hold Glamdring. The real one. I want one.

Yours for only $178.97

http://www.a2armory.com/glamdring.html

"The Foe Hammer"

Sword of the great wizard Gandalf the Grey.

The hilt is decorated with elvish writing. The grip is wrapped in genuine leather. It is sturdy and feels good in your hand.

An exclusive plaque comes with this beautiful Lord of the Rings sword. The overall length is 47 5/8 inches with a 35 5/8 inch blade. This massive sword weighs over 9 pounds. It is indeed worthy of the name Foe Hammer.

This is an exact replica modeled from the actual movie prop. Cast in 420 J2 stainless steel with a solid metal hilt. The blade will not rust and does not need to be oiled.  The Glamdring is built to last.

You must be 18 years of age or older to purchase this Lord of the Rings sword.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2004, 01:11:58 PM »

Ok! You asked for it, Donna Rose,  here it is:

The Extended Return of the King is to be released on December 14th. Pre-orders start on October 1st.

Some of the features will be: Discs 1-2 : 250 minutes long with 50 minutes of additional material; 4 audio commentary tracks like with the first 2 EE's; "Cast commentary also features dialogue between split-personality characters Gollum and Smeagol (Andy Serkis!"


DISCS 1-2: The Feature
FEATURE (approx. 250 minutes) - A new version of the final installment in the epic trilogy! The Academy-Award-« winning film now has 50 minutes of never-before-seen footage incorporated into the film for this highly-anticipated video release:
Widescreen (2.35:1) version of the Special Extended Edition
Dolby Digital EX 5.1 Surround Sound
DTS ES 6.1 Surround Sound
Stereo Surround Sound
English subtitles and closed captions
Spanish subtitles

Four audio commentaries by the director and writers, the design team, the production team and the cast featuring more than 30 participants including Peter Jackson, Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, Orlando Bloom and Academy Award-« winners Richard Taylor, Howard ShoreGǪand many more.

Cast commentary also features dialogue between split-personality characters Gollum and Smeagol (Andy Serkis)!

DISCS 3-4: The Appendices
Two discs with hours of original content including multiple documentaries and design/photo galleries with thousands of images to give viewers an in-depth behind-the-scenes look at The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King::

THE APPENDICES PART V: "The War of the Ring" Disc intro by director Peter Jackson "J.R.R. Tolkien: The Legacy of Middle-earth" documentary

From Book to Script:
"From Book to Script: Forging the Final Chapter" documentary
Abandoned Concept: Aragorn Battles Sauron
Designing and Building Middle-earth
"Designing Middle-earth" documentary
"Big-atures" documentary
"Weta Workshop" documentary
"Costume Design" documentary

Design Galleries - 2,123 images
The Peoples of Middle-earth (galleries with docent audio)
The Realms of Middle-earth (galleries with docent audio)
Miniatures (galleries with docent audio)
"Home of the Horse Lords" documentary
"Middle-earth Atlas: Tracing the Journeys of the Fellowship" interactive map
"New Zealand as Middle-earth" interactive map w/on-location footage

THE APPENDICES PART VI: "The Passing of an Age" Disc intro by Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, Billy Boyd and Dominic Monaghan
Filming The Return of the King
"Cameras in Middle-earth" documentary
Production Photos (gallery) - 69 images

Visual Effects
"Weta Digital" documentary
"The Mumakil Battle" demonstration / multi-angle interactive feature
Post Production: Journey's End
"Editorial: Completing the Trilogy" documentary
"Music for Middle-earth" documentary
"The Soundscapes of Middle-earth" documentary
"The End of All Things" documentary
"The Passing of an Age" documentary

Cameron Duncan: The Inspiration for "Into the West"
"Cameron Duncan: The Inspiration for 'Into the West'" documentary
"DFK6498" short film
"Strike Zone" short film


Cameron Duncan was a teenager who wanted to make movies but was struck with cancer.  IIRC the last 2 items are his movies.  He was supposed to have a cameo in RotK but had a relapse and went to Texas I think for treatment.  He passed away last November as RoTK was finished.  Rest in Peace

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2004, 03:06:32 PM »

Thank you so much for posting Ebor! Wow I can't wait for Christmas break!

Mmeory eternal for Cameron Duncan (and with his own films and tributes on the ROTK EE, it's safe to say that will occur Smiley yay for small (or not so small) victories)
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2004, 06:18:15 PM »

It occurred to me that you might like to hear what I think is the first "cover" of Into the West.  A young woman, Yulia Townsend, who moved from Russia to New Zealand a couple of years ago according to the notes.  Her first album was released about 2 weeks ago in New Zealand.  She has a lovely voice and it's interesting to hear the influences of both russian accent and what sounds like New Zealand English pronunciation.

http://www.yulia.co.nz/music.html

Someone is Sony is either a Fan or smart.  Most of the cuts have 30 second samples.  But the LotR song is the full cut.

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2004, 06:23:15 PM »

And then from the sublime to the ridiculous:

Here is a link for a person who retells "The Silmarillion" in 1000 words.  
http://www.livejournal.com/users/camwyn/328358.html

It's bizarre and very funny.

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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2004, 06:44:34 PM »

Thanx for the fun links, Ebor! I've seen the abrig'd Silmarillion before, and was cracking up...later tonight when I have time I will listen to the Into the West cover and reread the abrig'd Silmarillion because I know I will get a kick out of it again Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2004, 11:21:10 PM »

Ebor, thanks for the link to Yulia's website.  I enjoyed not only "Into the West" but also clips from other songs, especially "The Prayer", "Angel", and "One Day I'll Fly Away."  She seems to be a female equivalent of Josh Groban or Andrea Bocelli.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2004, 12:12:38 AM »

I'm glad you liked it, David and I hope that Donna will, too.  Yulia has a very nice voice with excellent control for so young a lady (I think the bio said she's 18.)  She has trained it well.  The other clips also are nice.  I wonder if the one about half way down is Maori.  Anyway, I hope the album comes to the US.

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2004, 12:59:57 PM »

OH MY Yulia is wonderful!! and I LOVE that she goes down on the last note instead of up, it's beautiful! I love Annie Lennox, very passionate and will forever be the voice of ROTK, but Yulia is singing with what sounds like a trained voice (even though she only just recently started training), which is exciting for ME because her vibrato is warrrrm and so pleasurable to listen to and will be especially fun to sing along to... ok geeky singer's rant done. Smiley Thank you so much for the link to Yulia's page, Ebor! I may have to purchase this album...I'm going to go listen to the other clips now Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2004, 09:18:08 AM »

I'm glad you liked Yulia's singing, Donna.  Now, unfortunately, I have something very silly. Grin

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/taters.php

Flash video with Gollum and Samwise clips

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2004, 10:31:32 AM »

Thanks for the links.

I am excited about the ROTK EE coming out this December, but I'm equally excited about The Lion, the Witch, and The Wardrobe coming out next December!
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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2004, 02:25:16 PM »

Thanks for the links.

I am excited about the ROTK EE coming out this December, but I'm equally excited about The Lion, the Witch, and The Wardrobe coming out next December!

Well, for news of that you should go to "NarniaWeb" here:

http://www.narniaweb.com/default.asp

I'm looking forward to it, too.

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2004, 07:21:30 PM »

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Unfortunately?Huh The Taters video is BRILLIANT! hehehe thanx for posting! Smiley Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2004, 10:22:29 PM »

OK, D Thomas.  Here's a hot scoop from the Narnia film.  They've unveiled the logo and (I think) it's rather handsomely done.

http://www.narniaweb.com/news.asp?id=116&dl=1239460

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P.S. I'm glad you like the taters video, Donna.  We can be thankful that the creators are using their powers for Good... or at least Harmless (unless one is drinking something when the show starts.  Cheesy )
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2004, 07:16:01 PM »

It's Double Geek time!  LotR and Astronomy!

Along with a good story, the Professor took pains in the details. Here is a lecture on "The Astronomy of Middle Earth":

http://www.physics.ccsu.edu/Larsen/astronomy_of_middle.htm

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2004, 03:08:01 PM »

I just read the first few paragraphs and it looks great! I will read the rest later when I have a bit more time...thank you for the article, Ebor Smiley

Oh and while we're in geek mode, I figured I should share what I am "being" for Halloween (not that I seriously celebrate the holiday as such, but just for fun around my dorm-apartment)...my friends and I were in this really great Halloween store nearby, just looking, and there were 2 great sections of LOTR and Harry Potter costumes and accessories...so, I bought a (cheap, plastic) brooch of Lothlorien, and a necktie in Gryffindor colors, and I plan to just casually wear both with my normal clothes and be....a fantasy geek. Smiley Clever, eh? Grin hehehe
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2004, 07:04:06 PM »

I like it, Donna!  Smiley

Two things: First for Doubting Thomas here is the new Fan site for the Narnia movies:
http://www.theonelion.net/

Brought to you by the fine folks who have been running theonering.net for the past several  years.

Second, if all goes well, I will get to see the Lord of the Rings exhibit at the Boston Museum of Science this weekend. This is the traveling show that originated at the Te Papa museum in New Zealand and will be leaving in a week or so.  It has many artifacts from the movies and demonstrations of the technologies used.  

I'll be going on Sunday afternoon.  Sean Astin will be there tomorrow, but that is likely to be a bear-garden with fans and I *do* want to see the exhibits without a jam.

http://www.mos.org/  and click on the link by the picture of Aragorn.

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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2004, 10:06:11 PM »

Alert!! Alert!!

Hot news: The trailer for the Extended Edition of "Return of the King" is up at www.lordoftherings.net

Click on "New Video" on the left end of the pictures.

It looks *really* good. Scenes added (50 minutes worth) include:

Aragorn using the Palantir to challenge Sauron
The confrontation with Saruman at Orthanc
Eowyn and Faramir in the Houses of Healing
The Mouth of Sauron
Gandalf confronting the Witch-King of Angmar on the walls of Minas Tirith.

and (as they say) much much more!!

Also 20+ hours of new background material.

Forth Eorlingas!!

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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2004, 10:11:40 PM »

Definitely getting those extended version
when is it out?
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2004, 10:16:01 PM »

December 14th.  Less then 2 months away. Pre-orders can now be made as well.

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2004, 09:07:21 PM »

oh wow. oh wow. oh wowowoowow. im crying ahhaha i just watched the preview for the EE of ROTK and WOW i cannot wait!!!!! it is all so wonderful! YAY!

sorry i cannot contain my excitement Grin my Christmas break is going to be so great this year...i'm going to spend it watching everything those DVDs have to offer.

"For Frodo." Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2004, 10:28:31 PM »

I'm glad you liked it, Donna.  I shall continue posting any news that I come across.

This past weekend I was up in Boston, staying with friends who like in Lincoln. They kindly arranged for me to go the the LotR exhibit at the Museum of Science on Sunday afternoon.  (It's leaving this up-coming weekend.)

The exhibit originated at the Te Papa Museum in New Zealand (which looks pretty interesting in itself)
http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/TePapa/English/

It is made up of artifacts, costumes, armor, weapons and art from the Lord of the Rings movies as well as some intereactive displays of some of the technology used.  For example the digital scanners that put all the details of the maquette sculptures into the computers so that the CGI could be so precise: visitors could have their faces scanned and then see their features put into the form of an statue like the Argonath. Another was the Motion Capture technique that then took the movements and applied them to digital drawings of various characters/creatures.

There are also video screens at different points showing clips of how things were done or talking about making the movies.  One showed Lawrence Makoare getting his full body make-up as "Lurtz".  It has 3 make-up artists and takes from 10:20 PM to 8:00 AM.  Around about 3 or so while the facial appliance is being glued on bit by bit, Mr. Makaore is asleep and snoring.

There is also a demonstration of forcing perspective and how different sizes of things make the size of people look different.

Around the walls were pencil drawings and paintings by John Howe and Alan Lee as well as digital art from the movies.  It was possible to get quite close to see details on the armor, costumes and weapons.  For the clothing, the show cases didn't just show the front, but had narrow window behind so that the back could be viewed.  

Some points:  

King Theoden's armor: The scalemail has a pattern in the lower portion of decorated scales. These scales are engraved with 2 horse heads on each one.  The rest of this set is equally wonderful.  

Gil-Galad's Spear, Aiglos, which is seen for maybe 10 seconds or so.  The blade is engraved and embellished.  A very graceful piece.

The funeral boat of Boromir, complete with the sculpture of Sean Bean.  Beautiful lines, and the figure is alarmingly lifelike.

Bilbo's "Red Book" with silver leaf stars and calligraphed pages.  along with piles of the documents and books from the library in Minas Tirith.  

Armor from 2nd age Eldar, Numenoreans, 3rd Age Gondorians, Rohirrim, Ithilien Ranger, Uruk-hai, Moria Orcs, Mordor Orcs,  the Mithril mail shirt. Samples of the chain maile that you can touch.  The plastic rings were then coated with metal for the right look.

Costumes:  Frodo's, Aragorn's rangers garb, Arwen's grey riding habit, Arwen's "Mourning" gown, Saruman's white and Gandalf's Grey robes, a Nazgul.

Jewelry: the rings of Men, the Elven rings, The Ring (in a separate display area suspended in a clear lighted column in a darkened room, while a sound track of quotes about the ring is heard and projections of the inscription move about), Crowns of men and wraiths.

A Rohan saddle and much more.

The care and the details and the beautiful craftsmanship were a joy to behold.

I got to hold "Glamdring".  It's a fine sword, the hilt big enough for a two handed grip, slightly waisted at the (enscribed) hilt.  

Iirc, the next stop is Sydney, Australia, but I seem to recall reading that the exhibit might be coming back to the US at some point to (maybe) Texas.  I'll have to hunt around.


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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2004, 02:37:11 PM »

Right!  It's news time!

The *Extended* teaser  for the Extended Return of the King is up at http://www.lordoftherings.net/

Click on the "Sneak Preview" picture on the left side of the bar of pictures. It's 6 minutes long and, yes I've already dl'd it and watched it though.  There's a clip of a wonder speech from Merry about wanting to do what he can.  In another we see some Corsairs and there's Peter Jackson ....I won't spoil it  Grin.

Other things are what looks like Aragorn using Athelas; Sam and Frodo in orc armor with orcs; Eowyn on the battlefield; and a very interesting looking scene with Faramir telling Denethor that he would never use the Ring.

Release date 2 weeks from today: December 14th.  

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Praise God!  Faramir is redeemed properly!
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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2004, 03:02:25 PM »

Oh yes.  I know that there was controversy over how Faramir was portrayed.  But waiting and seeing the extended versions that show much more character is worthwhile.  John Noble's "Denethor" is, I think, quite good, and I think that there will be more developement with him, too.

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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2004, 03:16:53 PM »

I walked out of the Two Towers perturbed because of the Elves at Helm's Deep, although I found the portrayal of Faramir far more upsetting.  He seemed like a thickie who was just like his brother Boromir who only "got it" after a while.  It was Faramir's almost immediate foresight and ability to let Frodo go once he found out what the Ringbearer had that endeared him so much to me and, in a way, redeemed Boromir's own overzealousness.  

I'm quite glad to hear him say outright, to Denethor nonetheless, "I would not use the Ring..."

And thank you for almost making me cry with joy and excitement as I watched this teaser.  Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2004, 05:56:33 PM »

At your service, Schultz.  Smiley

I'm glad you liked it.  I've watched it 3 times so far and noticed things each time.  The head of the statue of a Gondorian king at the crossroads to Minas Morgul  with the flowering vine is from the book :
"Look Sam!" he cried, "The King has his crown again!"

Grima being struck by Saruman on the top of Orthanc.  

Legolas reciting the prophecy of Malbeth the Seer:
"...Who shall call them
from the grey twilight, the forgotten people?
The heir of him to whom the oath they swore.
From the North shall he come, need shall drive him:
he shall pass the Door to the Paths of the Dead."

Looks Good!

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WOO HOO!!! that sneak preview is SO exciting! i only had time to view it once right now, since i am bogged with homework, but the standout moment for me was actually Merry's speech about helping his friends...it is all so exciting tho. YAY! Christmas break is gunna be so great this year Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2004, 06:18:06 PM »

For the book fiends out there, from theonering.net:
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OCLC Research has compiled a list of the top 1000 titles owned by member libraries—the intellectual works that have been judged to be worth owning by the "purchase vote" of libraries around the globe. Coming in at number 10 is The Lord of the Rings, with 37,461 library holdings. If you look at the nine titles before it, you'll see that LOTR is in pretty good company.
http://www.oclc.org/research/top1000/

If all goes well, tonight we're going to the "Lord of the Rings" Symphony in Baltimore with visuals by John Howe and Alan Lee.  I'll review it for you, and from what I hear it might be in Washington D.C. in January.

Also, there are reports that the Extended Edition is being sold in NYC early.  But it's Tuesday for the rest of us.

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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2004, 06:36:59 PM »

Put those responsible for early sales in irons.

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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2004, 07:12:10 PM »

wow, Ebor, that is so awesome you're seeing the symphony performance of the score w/ the visuals/illustration projections! i would have loved to try to get tix in NJ, but my life is just too busy right now to plan such an event, sigh.

also, i am in NYC, and i haven't heard anything about the EE being on sale early...altho i've been too busy to keep up on it so i could be wrong. i am waitin til next week at the EARLIEST since i cant enjoy it until my school work is done anyway...sigh sigh sigh...
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2004, 07:14:01 PM »

LOL and the top ten books that librarys hold are all AWESOME! almost all are favorites of mine in some capacity...LOTR is DEFINITELY in good company! personal favorites: Bible, Hamlet, Alice in Wonderland, and of course LOTR Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2004, 09:52:18 PM »

Have fun at the symphony Ebor! It's a great event. I saw it once in Houston (Tx) and once in Seattle with Howard Shore. The singing is fantastic as well. I've heard that Howard Shore is going to make a CD of the concert, so those who can't make it, will get to hear it as well.

Now if the LOTR exhibit will make it to Houston soon! Cheesy

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LOL and the top ten books that librarys hold are all AWESOME! almost all are favorites of mine in some capacity...LOTR is DEFINITELY in good company! personal favorites: Bible, Hamlet, Alice in Wonderland, and of course LOTR Smiley

At least the Bible only came in at number two.  The Census is a MUCH better read!  

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At least the Bible only came in at number two.  The Census is a MUCH better read!  

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2. The Missale ROmanum,Ritaule ROmanum, Pontificale ROmanum, and the Brevarium Romanum

3. Summa Theologica

4. Catechism of the solemn ecumenical council of Trent

5.all of the ecumenical council documents from Nicea to Vatican II

6. St.John Chrysostom's and other Church Father's writings

7.Spiritual Exercises of St.Ignatius

8. the DOminican witchfinding handbook

9. Trilogia of Henryk Sienkiewicz

10. Pan Tadeusz by Mickiewicz [Lithaunia my fatherland! You are like my health!!]

11.Brothers Karmazov wait scratch that.. too many Jesuit insults,not my style

11. Tolkien trilogy

12. here you go Brother Karmazov
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« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2004, 12:13:21 AM »

Sorry, I'll take the the King James Version of the Bible.  and I doubt that the "Malleus Maleficarum" would be on anyone's hit parade these days.

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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2004, 12:21:30 AM »

Any road,  we *did* make it to Baltimore last night.  It's too late right now, but I'll try to do a longer review tomorrow.  The Concert was excellent!  There was a large screen hanging over the orchestra that showed John Howe and Alan Lee sketches, paintings and maps to fit the movements.  One of the soloists was Susan Egan and she was prime.  She sang both "Gollum's Song" and "Into the West" as well as the Lament for Mithrandir.  Fun fact:  Susan Egan might be familiar to animae or Disney movie fans.  She did the voice for "Megara" in Hercules and "Lin" in Miyazaki's Spirited Away  She has an excellent singing voice.  

There were also a boy soprano and another lady who did the rest of the female solos (End of All Things; Forth Eorlingas etc)

The Baltimore Symphony Orchestra was in fine form.  There was a raft of unusual instruments in the back row, though there was no sitar or hardanger fiddle.  The Choruses were very crisp and clear; the lyrics were more understandable then on some of the Movie score passages.  

I'll get the program to give more tomorrow.

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(1) I don't need a Vulgate; I have four different versions in English which have imprimaturs. Besides, the Vulgate isn't authorized for liturgical use in my church.

(2) Ditto Roman Latin rites. Get a BCP!

(3) Why? Look it up on CCEL if you need to.

(4) "The bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this realm of England."

(5) Vatican II is not an ecumenical council.

(6) See #3.

(7) Not everyone is cut out to be a J-boy/girl. Why not The Mind's Road to God or The Dark Night of the Soul? Why not Christian Proficiency?

(Cool Also found online,  not that anyone has any legitmate use for it.

(9) Who?

(10) See #9.

Really, this is quite tiresome. Every library should have

(1) An RSV common bible-- the de facto universal standard.

(2) An appropriate prayer book, in one's native tongue.

(3) A suitable general cookbook-- Joy of Cooking will do.

(4) "Dr. Mom" or some other suitable first aid/basic medical reference.

(5) The phonebook (unless your phone doesn't work when the power is out)
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I LOVE Susan Egan! She is the original Belle in Broadway's Beauty and the Beast...she is on the CD (I didn't see her live)...I would have loved to hear her sing those pieces from LOTR....sigh.

Donna, eagerly awaiting your more in-depth review Smiley
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Ahhhhhh, but which one?   ;-)

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Why, the one used by your country/time/jurisdiction, of course.  8-) (smilie in place, in case it doesn't show)

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« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2004, 07:17:25 PM »

Have fun at the symphony Ebor! It's a great event. I saw it once in Houston (Tx) and once in Seattle with Howard Shore. The singing is fantastic as well. I've heard that Howard Shore is going to make a CD of the concert, so those who can't make it, will get to hear it as well.

Now if the LOTR exhibit will make it to Houston soon! Cheesy

Only less than a week before the SE! Woo Hoo! And the previews seem wonderful! Cheesy

Greetings, Nimloth!  I can tell by your nikname that you are another Tolkien fan. 8-)  The Exhibit will be in Australia for a while, then on to Houston for opening June 5, 2005 until Aug. 28, 2005 from what I've read.

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« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2004, 08:08:52 PM »

So there we were at the Meyerhoff in Baltimore on Wednesday evening for the Lord of the Rings Symphony.

The Baltimore Symphony Orchestra was in the front part of the stage with high risers behind them for the Baltimore Choral Arts Society Symphonic Chorus and 32 trebles and altos from the Maryland State Boy Choir: Boys in the center, surrounded by the adults.

 The three soloists: Susan Egan, Tammy Tyburczy and the boy soprano who is not listed in the program, but his name was annouced were seated in front of the orchestra center with the conductor, John Mauceri at the formost. Maestro Mauceri also worked with Howard Shore to adapted the movie score to the symphonic form.When the soloists sang they would come forward to microphones.

Above the orchestra was suspended a large screen to show the illustrations and maps.  One interesting affect was that the over-all colour of the stage lights would change depending on the music.  During "The Bridge of Khazad-dum" it was a deepening red to go along with sketches of the Balrog.  Shire music had more green lighting.  

The Symphony is divided into 6 movements, one for each of the books of the Lord of the Rings (recall that there are 2 books i.e. sections in each volume.)  The movements are subdivided by the themes or parts of the movie that they accompany.  So Movement 1 starts with: "The Prophecy"; "Concerning Hobbits" and "The Shadow of the Past".

Since Hardanger fiddle players aren't found under every bush, the concert master did the violin solos for the Shire music and the Rohan Theme and did very well. The Trumpet soloist was great, too. There was a excellent tin whistle player as well the an array of other unusual instruments, though no sitar.  I couldn't see them all, but the percussion section had out some of the extras like the anvil and other metallic sounding things for the "Isengard" theme, the one that's in 5/4 time.  There may have been some kind of small pump organ and a pan-pipe too. Also there were 2 harps.

Some of the sections have somewhat different instrumentation then that which is heard on the soundtracks.  While surprising at times, (to someone who has been listening to the CD's for a long time 8-) ) it generally worked well.  Also, some of the timing is different, but that fits with the situation.  

The choruses are used all through the piece.  The solos include "In Dreams" by the boy soprano backed up by the boy choir; Susan Egan did "Gandalf's Lament", "Gollum's Song" and "Into the West" beautifully.  Tammy Tyburczy did the other solos in Sindarin or Rohirric,("Evenstar" (gorgeous); "Hope and Memory" "The End of All Things") all from memory.  She also sang with the young man the parts that back up the Ents and "The Steward of Gondor" .  That last has the theme "Lighting of the Beacons".  Wonderful and thrilling to hear it live.  It was slightly slower then on the soundtrack, but the BSO was in perfect form.
A man in the Choral Arts sang Aragorn's invocation in "The Return of the King" very well.  I've always liked that bit of music; Viggo Mortenson composed it himself and is credited in the program.

Some things that were not included were the 2 Enya songs and the opening music from the Return of the King where Smeagol and Deagol are fishing.  Not a loss, but it would have been nice to hear that live.

During the performance the pictures opened with a map of Middle Earth and close ups of details. Then sketches, drawings and paintings that fit the portion being played were shown with a smooth transition so that nothing was jerky.  Both John Howe and Alan Lee illustrations were used.  Some of the sketches showed developement of concepts like Gollum.  It was an excellent addition to the show and helped the children who were with us to have something to look at.  I think that everyone liked it.

At the end, only a couple of people scurried out the doors to beat the crowd.  The rest of us applauded madly for 3 curtain calls.  It was a most satisfactory concert.  As a little touch, my daughter wore her "Arwen" dress that we had made her for Halloween with her deep-hooded cloak.  A number of people there recognized it.  She was very happy.

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WOW! sounds like a wonderful experience...especially the bit about your daughter's dress Wink I especially would have liked to hear "In Dreams" live, as well as the elvish words sung live (the love theme between Arwen and Aragorn, and Aragorn's invocation, in particular). Thank you for the detailed review Smiley wish I could have been there...maybe in a few years they will hold the concert again and come to NYC, who knows Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2004, 01:13:25 PM »

Check this out.

http://www.noblecollection.com/catalog/product.cfm?id=NN9441&catid=17

I am seriously considering buying an Aragorn/Arwen crown set and keeping them in hopes of my sons and daughters in law using them as their crowns for their weddings. Am I completely insane? They just look so cool.

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« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2004, 01:48:18 PM »

Yes, Deacon, I think you're insane.  Tongue  (or, smiley)
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Just confirming. Wink
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« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2004, 02:47:57 PM »

Check this out.

http://www.noblecollection.com/catalog/product.cfm?id=NN9441&catid=17

I am seriously considering buying an Aragorn/Arwen crown set and keeping them in hopes my sons and daughter in laws using them as their crowns for their weddings. Am I completely insane? They just look so cool.
I actually think that sounds kind of cool...
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« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2004, 04:16:03 PM »

Deacon Lance....that....sounds.....awesome. Smiley do you have a link to a picture of the arwen crown tho?
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« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2004, 04:57:42 PM »

Donna,

They have just about everyone's crown:

http://www.noblecollection.com/catalog/catalog.cfm?catID=17&subcatID=11
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« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2004, 05:01:44 PM »

NICE! Smiley i like arwen's, it's a little less ostentatious than aragorn's...then again, King of Gondor, that's a big title Smiley
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« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2004, 10:34:43 PM »

I dunno about you guys, but I've always wanted a pipe like Gandalf's.  Cheesy

They do have one:

http://www.noblecollection.com/catalog/product.cfm?id=NN9890&catid=17

But it says "Collectible non-functional pipe". Non-functional?? What good is that?!?  Huh

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lol, good answer Ebor.  Wink

Might I inquire as to which BCP is your favorite and why?

I would have to say that mine is the 1928 American edition - who doesn't love the olde english? It was also the BCP I was exposed to through the APCK (Anglican Province of Christ the King), which has no love for the 1979 edition.

I do have a 1662 around, but I haven't really flipped through it because it's an older one and I want to keep it as a keepsake.

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« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2004, 10:54:27 PM »

I like your idea alot, Deacon Lance!  Grin  I think it would be terrific to have those for crowns.

Now for your *functional* pipes, Arystarcus, try here: http://www.vauen.de/eng/bilbo.htm

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Tomorrow is The Day.  I was good this year and didn't do a count-down.  Cool I'm not such a nut that I'm going anywhere at midnight to get the Extended Edition, either. Tomorrow morning will do.  But if you don't hear from me for a couple of days, send a St. Bernard with Ale and Mushrooms and Lembas. Cheesy

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I see that! Grin I will be sure to keep that in mind for any future references.

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Thanks for the link! At 179 Euro dollars, which amounts to $237.81 smackeroos, methinks it will be many a year until I own one.

It's still on my wish list though! Wink



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lol, good answer Ebor. Wink

Might I inquire as to which BCP is your favorite and why?


Well, that is hard to say. I have copies of the earliest 3 (for reference purposes) and much of the language is good. But I also have all of the American ones, Scottish, and New Zealand. I became Episcopalian with the 1928. But the 79 has some good additions to it as well as some lumpy bits (what some priests call the "Star Trek" Eucharistic Prayer for example). That's the one we use at my parish.  The New Zealand has some odd bits, but also some good additions. (It's interesting to see how prayesr go in Maori and to read the Kalendar and services that fit in cultural customs of the Maori as well.)

I guess that I'm comfortable with both the 28 and the 79, depending on what's wanted. Sorry, it's that old "Via Media" again. 8-)

I prefer the King James Version of the Bible for the beauty of the language (and also I understand Stuart English) But I do not think it is the Only Acceptable Version(tm). However some of the paraphrase/modern ones could gag a herring.

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It's understandable. With so many to choose from, it's hard to pick just one.  Wink

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Im pickin up my EE on the way home from my school tomorrow, after my mom comes to pick me up and TAKE ME HOME! a joyous occasion on 2 counts! Smiley
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« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2004, 12:01:37 AM »

I see that! Grin I will be sure to keep that in mind for any future references.
Thanks for the link! At 179 Euro dollars, which amounts to $237.81 smackeroos, methinks it will be many a year until I own one.

At your service, Aaron.  <bow>

Now with the board upgrade, I wish I could get my name in Tengwar.  We have cyrillic and greek and leet after all.  I'm working on bringing in a picture of it that came of a Tengwar Transcriber site.

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Im pickin up my EE on the way home from my school tomorrow, after my mom comes to pick me up and TAKE ME HOME! a joyous occasion on 2 counts! Smiley

And is it possible that we won't see you here for a day or so either?  8-)  "Just keep breathing. That's the key. Breathe!  Ho!"

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And is it possible that we won't see you here for a day or so either?

alas, unfortunately i have a take home final due by email on Thursday at 6 pm...so i will be spending my next few days working on that, with the repeated glance of longing at my unopened EE ROTK. sigh.

to be sure, u will hear from me once i start watching the lovely contents of those 4 (or is it 6?) dvds Smiley
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« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2004, 08:06:34 PM »

and to let you know that I'm not staring into the TV glazed-eyed, here is a titbit for fun:
Medical students diagnose Gollum
http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=article&f=uk_-_olgbent&t=11964&id=493421&d=20041217&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&lc=en&ae=windows-1252]

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Thanks for the link! At 179 Euro dollars, which amounts to $237.81 smackeroos, methinks it will be many a year until I own one.

It's still on my wish list though!


I probably shouldn't do this to you, Aaron, but look at this:

http://www.mithrilarmoury.com/
Click on the fifth picture down the page, the pipe... it will take you to a page of McQueen pipes in LotR styles.
They look good. They appear to be functional and they're much cheaper then an import from Europe.

But I think it's too close to Christmas for you to get one as a present.
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I probably shouldn't do this to you, Aaron, but look at this:

http://www.mithrilarmoury.com/
Click on the fifth picture down the page, the pipe... it will take you to a page of McQueen pipes in LotR styles.
They look good.  They appear to be functional and they're much cheaper then an import from Europe.

But I think it's too close to Christmas for you to get one as a present.
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Well, I must say that I do appreciate your doing that for me.  Cheesy

Perhaps if I order now, it could arrive for the Old Calendar Christmas?  Wink

But I suppose it doesn't matter because I would be buying it as a gift to myself!   Cool

They accept PayPal too - that's a plus!

Thanks for the heads up on the more affordable pipes Ebor, much appreciated.  Smiley

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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2005, 11:48:36 PM »

Today being the Eleventy-second birthday of J. R. R. Tolkien, it is the custom among his admirers to lift a glass in his memory:

To the Professor!

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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2005, 01:20:19 AM »

Tecate for Tolkien, por favor!

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Tecate for Tolkien, por favor!

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« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2005, 03:18:42 PM »

My wife and I watched ROTK EE on Christmas Day (it was our gift to ourselves). We're huge fans of the books and films, esp. the EEs of FOTR and TT. We even got lucky and saw the first two EEs on the big screen. Both of them are, IOHO, much better than the original theatrical versions, esp. the TT EE.

Some quick impressions of the ROTK EE DVDs, sparing a lot of detail for those who wish to be surprised by what's new:

-- For our money, this one didn't up the ante as much as the previous EEs. Too many extras best left on the cutting room floor. On the other hand, three or four new scenes straight from the book (e.g., the infamously deleted Saruman scene) were very welcome additions. In both cases, you'll know them when you see them. Wink

-- For all that, it actually feels shorter than the theatrical version, even at 4:10.

-- The behind-the-scenes stuff is excellent. Special kudos to "Horses in Middle Earth" and the Duncan Cameron sections. And the actors' stories are always funny. (BTW, we stopped watching the visual effects stuff after FOTR; for us, it spoils the magic.)

-- Boy oh boy are we ever glad Jackson realized that it would be a HUGE mistake to have Aragorn and Sauron duke it out at the Black Gate! The sequence showing the half-finished scene is really interesting, though, as is knowing what they did with it in the end.

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« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2005, 03:46:35 PM »

Anyone know if an EE version of the whole Trilogy exists?  I mean all three together, not sold separately - meaning a discount for buying all three at once.  I didn't seem to find a package that combined the three in my limited searching.

I've seen the first two EE, but not the last.  I only own a VHS regular length of the first though (from a gift exchange at a work holiday party).
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« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2005, 06:29:39 PM »

Anyone know if an EE version of the whole Trilogy exists? I mean all three together, not sold separately - meaning a discount for buying all three at once. I didn't seem to find a package that combined the three in my limited searching.

Yes, indeed. Just Google "'Lord of the Rings' trilogy DVD." Looks like Amazon has it for about $78. My guess is it's the 3 "Platinum Editions" bound in a single slipcase. (The ROTK EE contains an offer for a slipcase that will hold all 3, for $3 S&H.)

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« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2005, 03:23:31 AM »

I figure this has to provide a link between LoTR and Star Wars Wink

Hasbro, Inc.'s Playskool division is launching a new Mr. Potato Head figure, Darth Tater

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« Reply #78 on: January 18, 2005, 10:41:18 AM »

"What's Darth Taters, Precious? What's taters?"   Grin

(Boil 'em. Mash 'em.  Stick 'em in a stew.)


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« Reply #79 on: January 18, 2005, 10:51:23 AM »

Re: The Return of the King EE.  I'm still working through some of the commentaries and appendices since I can't shut out the world and family for about 3 days.

I liked all the added scenes.  But I'm such a geek that I was happy when more from the books was added.  And the cameo scenes were just for the sheer pleasure of seeing them.  After all the years of work, it was nice that Richard Taylor (Brillant man, totally unrecognizable as a corsair, unless you see the bit about the make up) and Howard Shore and many of the others getting to be in the movies.  Much of what was added was character developement and I liked it.   Frankly, there are references to other scenes that were filmed but not icluded that I would like someday to see.  Then again, maybe for some of the answers to what happened to the others of the Fellowship, maybe people will be moved to read the books.  A good thing.

In listening to the commentary tracks there are some very amusing bits.  What can you say about the ummm positive thinking of a man (Peter Jackson) who upon arriving at a filming site on a semi-active volcano and finding snow says "That's not snow... it's volcanic ash."  Cheesy

The section about Cameron Duncan is sad yet very good.  He was a teenager with talent.  May he rest in Peace.

More later.  Duty calls.

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« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2005, 01:57:51 PM »

I definitely agree that adding more from the books is a plus, although I also agree with Jackson's reason for never filming the Scouring of the Shire: it would've entailed tacking on a whole other movie at the end, which just wouldn't have worked given that the trilogy already runs 12+ hours (EE).

The extras sequences from Pelennor Fields were great and really added to the story. On the other hand, I was waaaaaay unhappy with the Drinking Game scene. D- U- M-B. :bang:
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Yes, indeed.  Just Google "'Lord of the Rings' trilogy DVD."  Looks like Amazon has it for about $78.  My guess is it's the 3 "Platinum Editions" bound in a single slipcase.  (The ROTK EE contains an offer for a slipcase that will hold all 3, for $3 S&H.)



I had a $20 Circuit City gift card to use and saw it there for $89+ tax.  I went with South Park season 4 instead. Smiley  I'll get LotR EE eventually....maybe from Amazon or eBay.
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« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2005, 05:34:51 PM »

I agree that the "Scouring of the Shire" would not have fit in the movies.  One can't have everything.  But it's in the books.  I'm glad that there was more Faramir developement and the Mouth of Sauron was quite creepy.

Movies and books are very different.  But both can be very good.

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« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2005, 11:06:23 PM »

Agreed! The first hurdle for the true Tolkienist to jump: "That's not the way it REALLY happened!" laugh
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« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2005, 08:03:30 PM »

All right, Ladies and Gentlemen!  Here is another link to things both Tolkien *and* Science!!

It seems biologists and botanists have some ahem leeway in how they assign Linnean nomenclature to new discoveries:

from "Curiosities of Biological Nomenclature" found here: http://home.earthlink.net/~misaak/taxonomy.html

comes various lists on this theme.  One particular scientis, Leigh Van Valen is also partial to Tolkien and has named a number of ancient species from the Professor's works:
Claenodon mumak (Van Valen, 1978) (Paleocene mammal) after M++mak, the Middle Earth elephant

Mithrandir Van Valen, 1978 (Paleocene mammal) one of the names of the wizard Gandalf.

Niphredil radagasti Van Valen, 1978 (Paleocene mammal, now in genus Paleotomus) Niphredil is a small Middle Earth flower. Radagast the Brown was a wizard.

Some other scientists have named things along this vein:

Galaxias gollumoides (fresh-water fish) Named after Gollum because it has large eyes and was found in a swamp.

Gollum Compagno, 1973 (catshark)


More can be found here:http://home.earthlink.net/~misaak/taxonomy/taxEtym.html  a bit more then half way down the page.

There are lots of entertaining names here including (for cartoon fans)

Strigiphilus garylarsoni Clayton, ~1989 (owl louse) "I considered this an extreme honor. Besides, I knew no one was going to write and ask to name a new species of swan after me. You have to grab these opportunities when they come along." - Gary Larson

And for any Japanese Monster movie fans:

Gojirasaurus Carpenter, 1997 (theropod dinosaur) "Gojira" is the Japanese name for Godzilla (but the dinosaur was found in New Mexico).
Godzillius Yager, 1986 (remipede crustacean) These are the largest such crustaceans, from underwater caves in the Bahamas. The family Godzilliidae takes its name from this genus.
Godzilligonomus Yager, 1989 (godzilliid) The smallest remipede. [Bull. of Marine Sci. 44(3):1195]
Pleomothra Yager, 1989 (godzilliid) Named after Mothra. [Bull. of Marine Sci. 44(3):1195]
Sinemys gamera Brinkman & Peng, 1993 (Japanese fossil turtle) Named after the giant Japanese fire-breathing flying turtle. The fossil has wing-like projections from its shell.

There's alot of entertaining names here. I hope you enjoy them

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« Reply #85 on: June 24, 2005, 05:12:20 PM »

Alright, Ladies and Gentlemen, here is a fresh new bit from the Science/LotR connection,  A really fine picture from the Hubble Space Telescope of the star Fomalhaut in the constellation of the Southern Fish which shows a dust ring that bears a striking resemblance to a certain Evil Optic:


http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=dn7564

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« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2005, 05:18:46 PM »

And on the art front, a painting by a German artist, that inspired Professor Tolkien in his creation of Gandalf has come to light and is up for auction on Sotheby's.  The professor had traveled and gotten some postcards including one of the  painting.  He saved it in an envelope with a notation about Gandalf on it.

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1119619683  for the story

and here is the link to Sotheby's with more info and a picture of the painting:
http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?&lot_id=4GHDR

The painting had been in private ownership for about 60 years.

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« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2005, 05:33:17 PM »

that picture of the star that looks like the eye is sorta freaky lol thanx for sharing
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« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2005, 06:50:10 PM »

Wow! I might make that Hubble photo the wallpaper on my computer!
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Funny that you mention that Chris, I had the same idea as well when I saw it.  Cheesy
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I'm glad that you liked the Hubble pic.  It *is* pretty amazing. 

That as wallpaper... neat idea.. also could be ummm  un-nerving to the unsuspecting.
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Hooray for LotR nerds!

I'm still meaning to translate the Jesus Prayer and some other short Ortho-things into Quenya, but I've not got the time to relearn the language.  At the moment.  Maybe I should just print off the lessons from Ardalambion again and give myself a refresher course...

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An atmospheric phenomenon for today:

"Fingers of Gollum" from yesterday's Earth Science Picture of the Day:
http://epod.usra.edu/archive/epodviewer.php3?oid=255776

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« Reply #93 on: July 29, 2005, 09:17:53 PM »

OK, now this is just plain silly, but it *does* have a Lord of the Rings link... with Vegetables!!!


Big Idea, the creators of "Veggietales" (Yes, you can have working of David and Bathsheba for children when it has Larry the Cucumber as King George who is greedy for someone elses bath duckie.)  and "3-2-1 Penguins" (sort of Monty Python and Loony Tunes meets the Book of Proverbs with "A rocket ship and flightless birds")  are coming out at the end of October with

The Lord of the Beans!!

The story of the Bean of Power, a gift to Toto Baggypants, that is being sought by an army of Sporks.  Toto's companions include Ear-A-Corn, Leg-o-Lamb, Randulf the wizard and more.   

Here is the link to the Big Ideas page:

http://www.bigidea.com/videos/veggietales/vt026/


We have most of the VeggieTales and Penguins videos.  They are well done, adults can watch them too (unlike some children's programming) and do have Biblical lessons. 

If you get a chance you should see "The Sumo of the Opera" DVD. The lesson is perserverance and is shown in three tales: a silent take on the 3 Stooges, a "Flannelgraph" Life of St. Patrick (a riot) and "The Sumo of the Opera" which combines "The Mikado" with "Rocky".   Trust me, it does work and the songs are well done.



Well, we can't *always* be serious. Cheesy

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« Reply #94 on: September 22, 2005, 09:36:32 PM »

Tolkein geekery rides again!

Today in the reckons of Men is the birthday of both Bilbo and Frodo Baggins.  A pint of ale or tea and a nice bit of cake as your preference to make the occasion.

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edit: well good grief i totally missed you posting about lord of the beans up there, i was just posting about that too!!! LOL Dont you love veggietales? Minnesota Cuke is a faorite here at home.

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VeggieTales *are* excellent.  I think we may have all but one.  Our youngest is on a "LarryBoy" kick at the moment with "The Lie from Outer Space" and "The Rumour Weed".  He also likes "Jonah".

The Silly Songs are always a kick too.  One of our particular favourites is "The Dance of the Cucumber" performed by Larry in "Authentic Argentinian garb"  Grin

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« Reply #98 on: November 07, 2005, 05:40:47 PM »

OK, we have "Lord of the Beans" and the children have watched several times (they had a day off from school).  It doesn't follow the whole story (how could it?) but has the theme of everyone has a gift and using it for the right purpose.  Toto Baggypants, a young Flobbit, has the Bean of Power as a gift from his uncle "Billboy".  But what is it for?  The Wizard, Randulf, and a set of companions (the ranger Earacorn, dwarf Grumpy, elf Legolamb and his brother the "Other Elf") help him to try and find out, as well as to keep the Bean from the villain "Scaryman" and his army of "sporks".   The art is a take on the Peter Jackson movies and there same can be said for the score.  It's a nice tribute.  It's amazing how a scallion can look so much like Christopher Lee  Cheesy 

The middle section is "Silly Songs with Elves" that has Larry as an Elvish Elvis.  There are a couple of direct quotes from the movies, a excruciating pun or two.  It may not be as rollicking as "Sumo of the Opera" but it's good and it does have a good lesson about using our gifts.  Our children enjoy it very much.

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Our favorite part is the silly song...watching the elven maid just telling larry what she thinks, and he is so clueless...


But I did enjoy the whole movie, love larry with a beard and hair!  Wink
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« Reply #100 on: December 27, 2005, 05:23:50 PM »

Yes, the elven maid is very funny and that song is where one of the excruciating puns happens.

We also loved the Spork saying "We ain't nothin' but maggoty bread..." right out of the LotR movies Cheesy

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My boys particularly enjoy "cookie man say no" they loooove that, fall into fits of giggles every time.
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« Reply #102 on: January 03, 2006, 10:15:15 AM »

Today is the birthday of John Ronald Reuel Tolkien.  It is a custom of the Tolkien Society to mark the day with a toast at 9:00 PM local time to "The Professor"

http://www.tolkiensociety.org/toast/2006/index.html

If one likes, there is a form to register the beverage and toast made. 

It's 12 hours early in my time zone, but it's 9 PM somewhere.  "The Professor!"

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oh darn, I missed it!  :'(
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« Reply #104 on: June 21, 2006, 11:58:36 AM »

In the midst of turmoil and angst here is something for both LotR AND Sports fans. The Spanish team in the World Cup has a striker named Fernando Torres.  Here is a link to a couple of pictures in which it can be seen that he is also a Tolkien fan:

http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1899/view/17761
http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1899/view/17762

That tattoo is his name in the Tengwar Script.  Cheesy

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« Reply #105 on: June 21, 2006, 02:11:08 PM »

awe. some. Smiley thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #106 on: June 24, 2006, 08:53:19 AM »

I'm glad you liked it.  Smiley  I shall continue in the search for more

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« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2006, 06:19:16 PM »

Actually, since I like to see what the Wikipedia topic of the day is..

The TotD until this evening is: J. R. R. Tolkien.  You can find it on the Wiki front page at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

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« Reply #108 on: September 22, 2007, 07:11:40 PM »

Just a reminder that today, September 22nd, is counted is called by some "Hobbit Day" and is the shared birthdays of Bilbo and Frodo Baggins according to the reckoning of Men.

(On a side note, I read in my hometown newspaper on-line, that a man there had his "Eleventy-First" birthday yesterday.  Just a little sychronicity maybe)

So a pint of ale or some tea and cake and maybe a few fireworks

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« Reply #109 on: September 22, 2007, 07:42:16 PM »

No ale, but some fine aged brandy, cakes and tea...

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« Reply #110 on: September 22, 2007, 09:17:11 PM »

Ebor, do you know Tolkien's favorite ale?

I was at the liquor store today, but I didn't know what to get for the occasion. I was delighted to find a six-pack of Franziskaner there (which happens to be the Pope's favorite beer---and one of mine), but I settled on something more appropriate---some porters and ales from a rural Suffolk establishment called St. Peter's Brewery. The beer comes in very old-fashioned bottles. Never tried (or seen) them before. We shall see. Tolkien, at least, would have liked the name.
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« Reply #111 on: September 22, 2007, 09:18:51 PM »

Just tasted one. Wow. Good choice. A toast to Mr. Frodo and Mr. Bilbo!
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Interesting little bit of info.  Time for a Maß....too bad Franziskaner is so expensive this side of the pond.  Pabst anyone?
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“He who drinks ale sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes  to heaven. Amen.”

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« Reply #114 on: September 22, 2007, 11:12:18 PM »

Ah Boulder, Hoover and White River!  I missed it!
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« Reply #115 on: September 23, 2007, 12:40:45 AM »

Interesting little bit of info.  Time for a Maß....too bad Franziskaner is so expensive this side of the pond.  Pabst anyone?

It was $6.99 for a six-pack. Not bad! About what I pay for a six-pack of Sam Adams or Newcastle. I'll be back there to get it when my St. Peter's runs out. Of course, I could get Franziskaner on tap at an old German bar and restaurant in the city, but a pint of it sets you back almost as much as the six-pack! I don't pay more than $6.00 for a beer unless it's my birthday, and in that case, somebody else is buying. . .

BTW, Pabst at that same German restaurant is $5.00 a pitcher.
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« Reply #116 on: September 23, 2007, 01:03:59 AM »

Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter

I don't know if this is among the best export beers the U.K. has to offer, but it sure is good. Smiley
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« Reply #117 on: September 23, 2007, 01:05:46 AM »

Pabst anyone?
You mean that fuzzy colored urine water?
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« Reply #118 on: September 23, 2007, 01:10:20 AM »

How about a hefeweizen by Paulaner?
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Hey now, don't be down on Pabst.  For its price range it isn't too bad - it definitely beats Miller High Life or Budweiser. 

Paulaner - now that is an amazing beer.  I really like Franziskaner and feel there must be some grace imparted by drinking it. 

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And don't get me started on Polish beer, otherwise I'll be posting all night. 

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« Reply #120 on: September 23, 2007, 02:51:15 AM »

Hey now, don't be down on Pabst.  For its price range it isn't too bad - it definitely beats Miller High Life or Budweiser.
Actually, my experience with Pabst is very close to yours; it's pretty good for its price range, much better than that fake Budweiser brewed by Anheuser Busch, the stuff I really like to call fizzy urine water--I understand that the real Budweiser is brewed in the Czech Republic.  I was just dissing you in good fun because I much prefer the higher priced imports and local microbrews. Wink
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« Reply #122 on: September 23, 2007, 03:23:50 AM »

Paulaner - now that is an amazing beer.  I really like Franziskaner and feel there must be some grace imparted by drinking it. 


Hmmm....Franziskaner vs Paulaner Hefeweizen....tough choice as they're rather equitable.  That St. Peter's stuff (don't suppose I can find that ligature to connect the t and s) is not bad either.
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« Reply #123 on: September 23, 2007, 09:39:19 AM »

Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter

I don't know if this is among the best export beers the U.K. has to offer, but it sure is good. Smiley

Samuel Smith's . . . mmmmmmmm. . . They are all good---Nut Brown Ale, Oatmeal Stout, Imperial Stout.

I also have a taste for Old Speckled Hen.
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« Reply #124 on: September 23, 2007, 09:42:51 AM »

Actually, my experience with Pabst is very close to yours; it's pretty good for its price range, much better than that fake Budweiser brewed by Anheuser Busch, the stuff I really like to call fizzy urine water--I understand that the real Budweiser is brewed in the Czech Republic.  I was just dissing you in good fun because I much prefer the higher priced imports and local microbrews. Wink

A step below that is Bud Light and Coors Light. If you want to go even lower, there is Keystone, Milwaukee's Worst, and Natural Light (offered for free at a local bar near my university). Of course, my father and all his brothers love it (I tell them they like it because it's cold, not because it's good).

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« Reply #125 on: September 23, 2007, 12:59:53 PM »

Ebor, do you know Tolkien's favorite ale?

I must admit that I don't know what the Professor preferred to drink in particular.  Perhaps I can find something in my books.  Smiley  I'm pretty sure that a nice cup of tea was acceptable to him at times (can't drink a pint while grading exams I expect. )

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« Reply #126 on: September 23, 2007, 02:58:14 PM »

Try St. Arnold's Stout.  It G-E-W-D gewd!
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« Reply #127 on: September 23, 2007, 03:28:57 PM »

I must admit that I don't know what the Professor preferred to drink in particular.  Perhaps I can find something in my books.  Smiley  I'm pretty sure that a nice cup of tea was acceptable to him at times (can't drink a pint while grading exams I expect. )

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No, but I suspect some of my profs to have been well into a fifth  Cheesy
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« Reply #128 on: September 23, 2007, 04:48:11 PM »

Now I can enjoy some ale(later on), bowl of black cavendish & Tolkein talk...

I am also in the process of hiring a X man to find out who borrowed the contents of my last Chimay...

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« Reply #129 on: September 23, 2007, 07:42:48 PM »

No, but I suspect some of my profs to have been well into a fifth  Cheesy

I vaguely recall something from Tolkien's published letters about C.S. Lewis pounding them down one after another. He loved to drink and to talk, that's for sure. As for Tolkien, I only recall him writing about having a pint of ale---no brand mentioned, in my recollection.
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« Reply #130 on: September 24, 2007, 04:28:31 PM »

It's possible that there wasn't a brand. Many Europeans drink the house beer at a microbrewery.
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« Reply #131 on: September 24, 2007, 04:55:45 PM »

Budweis Budvar, AKA the "real" Budweiser, is a fantastic beer, but it's difficult to find undamaged in the States.  Packaged in green bottles, it oftentimes finds its way to the consumer light-damaged (one of the sources of the "skunky" taste one finds in imported lagers).  If you're lucky, and I mean LUCKY, to find a bar that has it on tap, do not hesitate to get a pint.  I've had that once and it was one of the best beer experiences I've ever had.

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« Reply #132 on: September 24, 2007, 05:08:15 PM »

Well the Inklings drank at the Eagle and Child Pub (still open). Breweries brewing in Oxford at the time were Hook Norton (still brewing), Brakspear, Morland and Morrells  (all now brewed elsewhere).

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« Reply #133 on: November 11, 2007, 11:14:03 PM »

I have just found a site (thanks to someone on my WoW guild site) that I think is pretty cool for any Tolkien fans.  Using the idea of the meanings of name and then putting those meanings into Quenya as closely as possible, here is a site in which one may find his/her name-meaning in that language:

http://www.elvish.org/elm/names.html

For example for some of the forum members who have posted in this thread:

Jacob/James - from Hebrew' "supplanter'; in QL we can find kaita- "to place" (it may be not valid and clashes with a word for 'lie'!), whence we could form *encaita- "replace" close to the meaning of 'supplant', then maybe Encaitar 

Ian/John - "Yochanan = "Yo (Yahweh, Jehovah) Is Gracious". I cannot think of any perfect Quenya rendering, but Eru [ná] antala means "God Is Giving". Treating the participle as an adjective, we construct the name Eruantalon. Perhaps it can be contracted to Eruntalon." 
"Eruantalon or Eruntalon or better Erufailon"

Peter - "from Greek 'stone'; sar "[little] stone", ondo "stone", thus Sardo or just Ondo; some Peter uses Gondo, which might be a Sindarin-Quenya mix-up"

Philip - "Greek for "horse-lover" (philos "loving" + hippos "horse"), in Quenya Roccondil"

Elisha - "Heb. 'God is generous'; Eru "God"; faila "generous, fair-minded", thus Erufailo, cf. ALISHA 

Christopher - "Erucolindo; based on suggestion above it also could be Lavincolindo or Laivincolmo or Lavincólo (*colmo, *cólo "bearer"); or we may adopt 'Christ' to Quenya if someone cannot accept Eru, so Hristocolindo; or Elpinocolindo (see CHRISTIAN)"

And there are many other names there. too

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« Reply #134 on: November 12, 2007, 08:34:52 AM »

Oricon=Heather

sounds like a boy name, thought, I think. ah well.

This reminds me, with the holidays and breaks coming up, do any of you do an annual "watch the entire LOTR dvds in one go" thing?  It's almost time for me to do it.
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« Reply #135 on: January 03, 2008, 11:12:56 AM »

Yes, the year has turned round again and today, January 3, is J. R. R. Tolkien's birthday. Just a reminder for anyone who cares to do so, of the Tolkien Society's customary Toast at 9:00 PM local time, with a preferred beverage of course

"The Professor!"


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« Reply #136 on: January 03, 2008, 11:19:31 AM »

Ah, excellent idea!  The Professor!
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« Reply #137 on: January 03, 2008, 11:29:54 AM »

Aha!  Yes it is and I almost forgot about it (yes yes, I should be flogged)!  Thanks, Ebor! 

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September 22 is the shared birthday of Bilbo and Frodo Baggins and marks several occasions in the LotR.  Many Tolkien Societies, Mythopoeic groups and other fans have parties/picnics/get togethers on or around this date.


22 September has distinctive astronomical/astrological characteristics.
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Thanks for the reminder, I do need to restock my ale reserve...have plenty of pipe weed though
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« Reply #140 on: September 22, 2012, 02:10:31 PM »

Yes, I am reviving this thread, but in the interests of re-use/renew

Today the 22nd of September is counted in the reckonings of men as the birth date of both Bilbo and Frodo Baggins. 
And since the first of the Hobbit movies will be out in less than three months, this is a day of note for some.

So whether you had Second Breakfast or tea or perhaps soon a pint of something stronger with a song, enjoy the day


"There is an inn, a merry old inn
Beneath an old grey hill..."

Or

"The Road goes ever on and on...."
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« Reply #141 on: September 24, 2012, 01:04:03 PM »

The Hobbit > LotR

The Hobbit was the first English book I ever read. I reread it a few weeks ago and got flooded with nostalgia. I think I'll be seeing the movie.

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« Reply #142 on: September 24, 2012, 04:34:04 PM »

The Hobbit > LotR

The Hobbit was the first English book I ever read. I reread it a few weeks ago and got flooded with nostalgia. I think I'll be seeing the movie.

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit..."

See I had a completely opposite reaction to the book. Earlier this year I tried reading The Hobbit for the first time in probably more than 15 years, and I couldn't stand it. This despite it having a large hand in sending me down the path of sometime bookworm.  I'll still see all three movies though, and probably buy all 20 editions that they sell.  Grin
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« Reply #143 on: September 24, 2012, 07:19:08 PM »

The Hobbit > LotR

The Hobbit was the first English book I ever read. I reread it a few weeks ago and got flooded with nostalgia. I think I'll be seeing the movie.

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit..."

See I had a completely opposite reaction to the book. Earlier this year I tried reading The Hobbit for the first time in probably more than 15 years, and I couldn't stand it. This despite it having a large hand in sending me down the path of sometime bookworm.  I'll still see all three movies though, and probably buy all 20 editions that they sell.  Grin
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« Reply #144 on: September 24, 2012, 07:34:12 PM »

I know I'll be there in the theater for this one.
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« Reply #145 on: September 25, 2012, 03:59:13 PM »

The Hobbit > LotR

The Hobbit was the first English book I ever read. I reread it a few weeks ago and got flooded with nostalgia. I think I'll be seeing the movie.

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit..."

See I had a completely opposite reaction to the book. Earlier this year I tried reading The Hobbit for the first time in probably more than 15 years, and I couldn't stand it.

Why?
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« Reply #146 on: September 25, 2012, 05:18:35 PM »

I grew up with the Rankin/ Bass animated Hobbit. The book was one of the first novels I read.

Here's "Roads Go Ever, Ever On" sung by Glenn Yarbrough (from the animated Hobbit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtFwHrMfDpQ

And here's this black metal version of "In Hollow Halls Beneath the Fells", which I find by turns awesome and really cheesy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wchDZieP8pA
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« Reply #147 on: September 25, 2012, 08:53:57 PM »

And here's this black metal version of "In Hollow Halls Beneath the Fells", which I find by turns awesome and really cheesy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wchDZieP8pA

Whoa dudes, song from the Hobbit, scenes from the LOTR not cool.  Shocked  I do kinda like the song though.  Grin
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« Reply #148 on: September 25, 2012, 11:40:15 PM »

The Hobbit > LotR

The Hobbit was the first English book I ever read. I reread it a few weeks ago and got flooded with nostalgia. I think I'll be seeing the movie.

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit..."

See I had a completely opposite reaction to the book. Earlier this year I tried reading The Hobbit for the first time in probably more than 15 years, and I couldn't stand it.

Why?

I don't remember a specific reason other than thinking "ugh, this is awful" several times and finally putting the book down
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