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50 years old and have lived all over this country, including the South. I have never seen a gun for sale in a supermarket. Is this something they do in Poland?
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Plenty of useful applications besides killing- there's wounding, I always plan how to wound someone. Sounds like you need a good psychiatrist maiming, "I'm a great gansta so give me your money" Not sure how this applies to maiming.... Though with the way "gangstas" hold their guns this is about all I'd be afraid of. warning, "If you won't give me your money, I'll shot you" "My gun is bigger and my aim is better, try it." deterring, "Don't even try to call the police" "I won't call the ambulance for your bleeding self, then, either." target practice, "Look, it's still moving!" Shooting a fallen target less than 10' away isn't target practice, try again. stress relief,  Relieved as... I sure hope their parents taught them how to use those guns. If they know the basics of gun safety, then yes, I am very relieved. the aesthetic element  They disagree. With the aftermath of violence, and not the aesthetics of a well-built gun itself? Rightly. you're showing no imagination here. Really? Yep. Regurgitating hype is about as unimaginative as it gets. |
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CZ-75B, 9mm, Stainless Steel. Slavonic Bible opened up to somewhere in Luke. That picture is not just stupid, but blasphemous and sacrilegious. Where I was raised, having a Bible and a means to defend your right to read it are held on almost an equal footing. Being too much of a coward to defend that right, and the family that God gives you, is what is blasphemous and sacrilegious. Not all of us need our governments to do our fighting and thinking for us. In any case, thank you for your opinion. Perhaps if as a moderator, who should know better, you would have respected the title of this thread instead of interjecting your hoplophobic commentary, some of us would not find it necessary to express ours. There was another thread out there for commentary, this one is for pictures. |
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CZ-75B, 9mm, Stainless Steel. Slavonic Bible opened up to somewhere in Luke. That picture is not just stupid, but blasphemous and sacrilegious. Where I was raised, having a Bible and a means to defend your right to read it are held on almost an equal footing. Being too much of a coward to defend that right, and the family that God gives you, is what is blasphemous and sacrilegious. Not all of us need our governments to do our fighting and thinking for us. In any case, thank you for your opinion. Perhaps if as a moderator, who should know better, you would have respected the title of this thread instead of interjecting your hoplophobic commentary, some of us would not find it necessary to express ours. There was another thread out there for commentary, this one is for pictures. You put a tool of murder above the Word of God. |
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As guns have hundreds of useful applications besides killing such as...
OK, there is one: penile prosthesises.
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"Excuse me, person breaking into my house, while I run down to the bank, wait for it to open, and get my guns out of the safety deposit box. Oh, I see while I was talking you have already shot me. Carry on, then."
If it hadn't been allowed for anyone to buy guns in a supermarket no one would be shot. criminals will always find ways to obtain firearms...not sure where a person can buy a gun in a supermarket though... Walmart. Now to both- Ortho-cat is indeed right. Most criminals do not obtain their guns through legal channels. The few legally-bought firearms that are used in crimes (where the person who bought the gun is the offender, not a legally-sold gun that is then obtained through illegal means such as theft) are usually used in "crimes of passion" where any handy weapon- even the human hand- will do. oh, they don't sell them at our walmarts. besides, when they did a while back, they were just hunting rifles...no pistols, which are by far the most common firearm used in assaults/robberies/etc. |
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Some people like to compete in shooting. It's also an Olympic sport. Do they use automatic rifles? Is that what you have an issue with? Full automatic?? And NO, it's semi automatic. One pull, one shot. Seeing as how the only picture we have on this thread that we can be sure is full automatic is one posted by an actual soldier, who has good reason to use full automatics, I think we can correctly infer that automatic weapons are a red-herring, and it's guns in general our friend has issue with. |
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No t a big pic taker, but I will tell you that right now I have a 12 gauge Mossberg pump shotgun. In past I have owned a 10/22 Ruger (.22 rifle), a Taurus 82 (.38 revolver) and a Charles Daly .45 1911; largely at different times.
I may or may not buy a pistol again, but as I am not a deer hunter, will probably not get another rifle; have hunted birds with shotgun, though.
Guns are one thing that I am almost entirely to completely libertarian. I thoroughly understand and re4spect people's choice not to have one, and if my living situation was different, I would probably not keep one either. However, this should be the person's choice, not the government's
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How about self defense? In the long run owning a fire arm can be cheaper than learning a self defense system that can take years to master to proper effiecency. Most rapists prey on women who are weaker than them, or at least appear to be weaker. I would rather my wife put two in the chest and one in the head of any attacker than leave my daughter with out a mother. |
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I didn't ask what your opinions about guns are, I asked everyone who owns one to show them off. If you don't like guns, that's fine, but keep your whiny Euro-trash opinions to yourself, boy.
Why not to start a thread with penises' pictures? Why not? You've mentioned them at least a couple times. I'd suggest you start off with the Iceland Phallological Museum. ROFL. They have museum on penises and a lesbian as a prime minister. Gotta love that country. |
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Marc1152
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« Reply #87 on: January 23, 2012, 11:50:14 AM » |
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It looks like women don't have any sane reasons to own guns.
How about self defense? In the long run owning a fire arm can be cheaper than learning a self defense system that can take years to master to proper effiecency. Most rapists prey on women who are weaker than them, or at least appear to be weaker. I would rather my wife put two in the chest and one in the head of any attacker than leave my daughter with out a mother. I wonder about that. I think it is very very very hard to kill someone. You really have to be pretty hard to take the top of someones head off. I think a normal person without military training would hesitate. Then the gun is taken away from her and there is hell to pay.. i really don't know. Just speculating. If someone takes Karate they are made to be relaxed about hitting someone and being hit. It takes years of training. I think a Woman with Karate training stands better chance. It's not the ability to fire a weapon that counts, it's what's in your head during an emergency that will determine your outcome |
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Your idea has been debunked 1000 times already.. Maybe 1001 will be the charm
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« Reply #88 on: January 23, 2012, 12:17:15 PM » |
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Were you one of the crewmen? I helped man an 1812 era ~6 pndr once up at Fort Atkinson north of town here. |
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Das ist des Jägers Ehrenschild, daß er beschützt und hegt sein Wild, weidmännisch jagt, wie sich’s gehört, den Schöpfer im Geschöpfe ehrt.
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« Reply #89 on: January 23, 2012, 12:24:26 PM » |
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Amen brother. I really like your weapon. |
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