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« on: January 18, 2012, 04:24:34 AM »
I'm sure, the both Russian language and music are alow one to express his soul and unbosom his heart in 100%. Maybe it's possible to compare Russian language with Italian one? Cuz I really don'tfeel the same with English songs...

So, I'd like to open the thread about Russian music with my favourite girl singer Marina Maximova (aka MakSim)



It's the first single of her I ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8WJz-DmPVg
"Znayesh li ty" - "Do you know" -- they say, you have no heart if you don't like this song  :)

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 04:36:14 AM »
Xристос Се Роди ....Владик

If you Have Link's to Some Of Your Traditional Music, Folk Music.... .
Love to hear and view some.....
« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 04:37:16 AM by stashko »
ГОСПОДЕ ГОСПОДЕ ,ПОГЛЕДАЈ СА НЕБА ,ДОЂИ И ПОСЕТИ ТВОЈ ВИНОГРАД ТВОЈА ДЕСНИЦА ПОСАДИЛА АМИН АМИН.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 05:00:03 AM »
I guess I have no heart. I'm confused as to how that can even be considered Russian music when you can listen to the immortal Vysotsky and feel the soul just fine without the Britney Spears/Mariah Carey posing from some Russian Barbie. It is interchangeable with the same exact sound and look from the USA, Canada, England, Spain, Italy, etc.

I've got a good English word for you, always said with deep feeling: Harumph! Harumph, I say!

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 07:21:38 AM »
Xристос Се Роди ....Владик

С Рождеством Христовым и вас, дорогой сербский брат (или сестра? - надеюсь не перепутал  ;) )!

If you Have Link's to Some Of Your Traditional Music, Folk Music.... .
Love to hear and view some.....

Actualy I'm not a fun of folk music, but here you are:

"Starinnaya pesnya Rusi" -- i.e "An ancient song of the Rus" (but the central singer isn't Russian, she looks like... a Polovtsian), Gardarika, and this is a great one --Kostroma !

P.S. Kosovo is Serbia  ;)
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Re: Russian music
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2012, 07:42:13 AM »
you can listen to the immortal Vysotsky

Do you understrand Russian language?
Yes, Vysotsky is a great poet. He is dead only 30 years, but his works are classical ones already. But I'm tired of elevated style and by now I want something light.  

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One can say Britney Spears was a whore, her songs are both stupid and empty, but that has nothing to do with MakSim's songs. MakSim has a marvellous, meaning, fine, feminine poetry. She is a romantic lady, but not a cheap slut.  

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 07:55:51 AM »
Gori moya zvezda -- "Blaze my star"
It is a 19th century romance, very beatiful!

BTW, it was a favourite song of Admiral Kolchak

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 08:06:43 AM »
MakSim....seriously?  That's just not my style.

Vysotsky is great in the proper context.  I'd never just listen to him to relax or to have one while I'm working.  That sort of music belongs at a gathering of a few friends and a bottle of vodka.  

A lighter female vocalist - how about Zemfira?  

And the ultimate in modern Russian rock, ДДТ, is coming to Ukraine next month!!!

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 08:46:13 AM »
Xристос Се Роди ....Владик

С Рождеством Христовым и вас, дорогой сербский брат (или сестра? - надеюсь не перепутал  ;) )!

If you Have Link's to Some Of Your Traditional Music, Folk Music.... .
Love to hear and view some.....

Actualy I'm not a fun of folk music, but here you are:

"Starinnaya pesnya Rusi" -- i.e "An ancient song of the Rus" (but the central singer isn't Russian, she looks like... a Polovtsian), Gardarika, and this is a great one --Kostroma !

P.S. Kosovo is Serbia  ;)

дорогой сербский брат (или сестра?

Не Сестра ,
Само  ТВој Брат...... ;D

Сташко-Станислав....

Христос Воистину Се Роди......Хвала За Линк
                                               Спасибо или Спасиво
ГОСПОДЕ ГОСПОДЕ ,ПОГЛЕДАЈ СА НЕБА ,ДОЂИ И ПОСЕТИ ТВОЈ ВИНОГРАД ТВОЈА ДЕСНИЦА ПОСАДИЛА АМИН АМИН.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 10:24:56 AM »
How about the VDV song by Viktor Buinov?
Das ist des Jägers Ehrenschild, daß er beschützt und hegt sein Wild, weidmännisch jagt, wie sich’s gehört, den Schöpfer im Geschöpfe ehrt.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 11:41:21 AM »
Do you understrand Russian language?

Yes, though Vysotsky is sometimes difficult for me due to the cultural allusions I don't always understand since I am not Russian.

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Yes, Vysotsky is a great poet. He is dead only 30 years, but his works are classical ones already. But I'm tired of elevated style and by now I want something light.

I see. Then I suppose the girl you posted is perfect for that.

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One can say Britney Spears was a whore, her songs are both stupid and empty, but that has nothing to do with MakSim's songs. MakSim has a marvellous, meaning, fine, feminine poetry. She is a romantic lady, but not a cheap slut.  

Hmm. I didn't mean to involve anyone's sexuality. That is not the problem with such pop music (although it can be if that is all that it offers, e.g., Tatu). The problem is that it shallow and might as well be produced in a factory somewhere.

I guess I don't know any modern Russian music and am mostly stuck in Soviet times because most Russian people I know are of the age that they grew up with older music from the 1960s-80s, nothing from the post-Soviet Union period. :-\ What I have heard of that music just sounds like regular western/American pop with Russian lyrics. It's boring to me.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 01:38:24 PM »
how about Zemfira?  

Oh, no. She's so coarse. I don't like such type of girls, and I never liked her music.

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modern Russian rock, ДДТ

C'mon! Ария (Aria) is better!

The problem is that it shallow

Vysotsky had a strong machismo, his work is realy masculine, and of course a lady's naive romanticism would seem quite shallow in comparison with him. But I can't say she was a shallow, simply she is another one. She is a young lady, she and her music are really it.

For example, it's hard to name MakSim's Luchshaya noch song ("The best night") a "shallow" one. There is so much tender harmony and peace, both in melody and sense!

Or the Nezhnost song ("Tendernes"). There is so much of certain both sad and young and nostalgic tendernes at the same time.

And the Vetrom stat song ("To become a wind") again has a tendernes, but devoted and affectionate one.  

Her feminine soul is so many-sided... One couldn't beeing in love with her  ;)


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Re: Russian music
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Re: Russian music
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 02:30:07 PM »
BTW, it was a favourite song of Admiral Kolchak


How can you respect him and Bolsheviks who shot him at the same time?

Lube is nice after some alcohol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbjENBStCaM
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Re: Russian music
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 06:26:59 PM »
how about Zemfira?  

Oh, no. She's so coarse. I don't like such type of girls, and I never liked her music.

I like things a bit unrefined.

C'mon! Ария (Aria) is better!

They're OK. 

Btw, this is a good place to listen to Russian music online.  I usually have their Russian Rock channel on in the background. 

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2012, 07:35:10 PM »
I've really been getting into Russian basso profundo.
http://youtu.be/7Z6gVn6qwAA

http://youtu.be/hJCJtQVwoOQ

http://youtu.be/z3A_ZlVB3r8

I would give my left leg to hear some bass chanting live hehe!

Oh and one of my fav's... Yatkha
http://youtu.be/U2ZVpFL8uqk

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 04:30:29 AM »
How can you respect him and Bolsheviks who shot him at the same time?

Because it is my country, and I'm not going to devide it. BTW Kolchak had killed no less than the Bolsheviks.
How can you respect Christians after so many crimes they commited? Or maybe not all their acts were evil as the antichristian propaganda proclaims? Or maybe it's better to analize the doctrine, instead of personal sins?
But that's offtopic and I don't wonna debate any politics here.  ;)
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Re: Russian music
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2012, 02:32:06 AM »
L.M.L by ВИА Гра is fine  ... especially Albina Jamabayeva there ;D



That's one of my favourite videos, since the music video looks like a screen version of The Little Prince novel by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry.

Oh and one of my fav's... Yatkha
http://youtu.be/U2ZVpFL8uqk

That is Mongolian, non Russian.  :laugh:

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2012, 02:54:23 AM »
Tuvan, but yeah...if we're going to include non-Slavic peoples in the Russian Federation, I prefer Assyrian singer Madlen Ishoeva to anything posted in this thread so far.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2012, 12:57:36 PM »
I've really been getting into Russian basso profundo.
http://youtu.be/7Z6gVn6qwAA

http://youtu.be/hJCJtQVwoOQ

http://youtu.be/z3A_ZlVB3r8

I would give my left leg to hear some bass chanting live hehe!

Oh and one of my fav's... Yatkha
http://youtu.be/U2ZVpFL8uqk

They always kinda creeped me out when I was a kid- sort of like they belonged with Darth Vader's voice coach. I guess it's a matter of taste - I respect them, but I don't really like them....The choir though is great!

The twelve robbers is fav though...A staple of choral concerts in the US during the mid 20th century - Orthodox and Greek Catholic alike. My dad soloed with his choirs as a baritone version....Brings back memories....A beautiful and moving version - Thank you for posting the link!
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Re: Russian music
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2012, 01:01:18 PM »
I greatly enjoy throat singing and folk music from Tuva. A great group I've seen is Chirgilchin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qqS5zO9S7k

I also like some Russian folk performers, such as the Dmitri Pokrovsky Ensemble and Ensemble Sirine.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2012, 01:13:12 PM »
A beautiful 'Kol Slaven' from the Vaalam Male Voice Choir of St. Petersburg. More memories from the 50's, 60's and 70's....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7UjsZ8yPiI&feature=related

(We Rusyns are conflicted, while we are not Russians, we do love Russian choral music.....I think the Ukrainians have the same issues as well!  ;)  )

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2012, 01:54:16 PM »
Xристос Се Роди ....Владик

С Рождеством Христовым и вас, дорогой сербский брат (или сестра? - надеюсь не перепутал  ;) )!

If you Have Link's to Some Of Your Traditional Music, Folk Music.... .
Love to hear and view some.....

Actualy I'm not a fun of folk music, but here you are:

"Starinnaya pesnya Rusi" -- i.e "An ancient song of the Rus" (but the central singer isn't Russian, she looks like... a Polovtsian), Gardarika, and this is a great one --Kostroma !

P.S. Kosovo is Serbia  ;)

First two examples are Celtic Woman knock offs, but the third one sounds authentic to this Bulgarian's ears.

I rather like songs like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_A0sUithFY by the Kremlin Capella, most songs by the Kuban Cossack Choir, especially "Oy, stoga, stoga" by Marina Golchenko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovf7CvqLV38 and of course the gorgeous "Распрягайте коней, хлопцы" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCuqR4Jz9DU&feature=related. As for the modern singers, I really like "Tolko ti" by Tanya Bulanova "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIsftgw9hQ."

PS: the Kuban Kossack Choir has a young and very good basso profundo. Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU6KwxtymYU

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2012, 02:40:43 PM »
Xристос Се Роди ....Владик

С Рождеством Христовым и вас, дорогой сербский брат (или сестра? - надеюсь не перепутал  ;) )!

If you Have Link's to Some Of Your Traditional Music, Folk Music.... .
Love to hear and view some.....

Actualy I'm not a fun of folk music, but here you are:

"Starinnaya pesnya Rusi" -- i.e "An ancient song of the Rus" (but the central singer isn't Russian, she looks like... a Polovtsian), Gardarika, and this is a great one --Kostroma !

P.S. Kosovo is Serbia  ;)

First two examples are Celtic Woman knock offs, but the third one sounds authentic to this Bulgarian's ears.


Yuck, as soon as someone starts busting out orchestral hits on a keyboard it's all over.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2012, 04:15:15 PM »
This one is dear to me: Прощание славянки, a Russian patriotic march written in honor of the Bulgarian women sending their men to the First Balkan War. This one is the march without words but interestingly the accompanying video is about the liberation of Bulgaria from the Turks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=5OEpB0q3ef8

This one has the words with another great performance by the Red Army Choir: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUV6Vx-xD8E&feature=fvst

Since I am into patriotic songs/marches, how about these other greats;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlhpi-WllkQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22SNB2p34HU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxxGJ-Y2530&feature=related

and on a lighter note;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kVS2CLlEo8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0clDoTwBXM&feature=related


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Re: Russian music
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2012, 04:25:14 PM »
Why some of you post Ukrainian songs here?

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2012, 05:01:13 PM »
Why some of you post Ukrainian songs here?

You mean like these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me9NBSYdINQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6emrmDq0KE&feature=related

 ;)


Seriously though, what we see here is a choir from the Ukraine that is singing songs from Russia, as well as the Ukraine. Indeed, many of these belong to both nations, that is, they transcend politics.

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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2012, 05:13:48 PM »
Here are couple of Gypsy songs that most people associate with Russia. If I were Russian I would not hesitate for a second to take credit.
Two Guitars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2JEz0VqHac&feature=related

Black Eyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BseWm3FhBg&feature=related

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2012, 05:29:04 PM »
Gori moya zvezda -- "Blaze my star"
It is a 19th century romance, very beatiful!

BTW, it was a favourite song of Admiral Kolchak


Don't you think that he would have been more familiar with this style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuClsmMrfy0&feature=related.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2012, 11:28:14 PM »
How about the VDV song by Viktor Buinov?

You meant this one? Actually I'm astonished to get to know that the song was known in the West  :o
Buinov's songs are too old school for me.

BTW, thanks God our army has gotten rid of that old uniform and got a new one.



Tuvan, but yeah...

Actually she's half-Russian and half-Tatar. And comes from the city of... Stalingrad  ;D (Volgograd in our days).

I prefer Assyrian singer Madlen Ishoeva

But she sings in Armenian  :)

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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2012, 11:45:36 PM »

Tuvan, but yeah...

Actually she's half-Russian and half-Tatar. And comes from the city of... Stalingrad  ;D (Volgograd in our days).

"She"? I'm not sure what or who you are referring to. I was referring to Yat Kha, who are most definitely from Tuva (Kyzyl), not Stalingrad.

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But she sings in Armenian  :)

This is common anywhere Assyrians and Armenians live alongside each other, and is a very old tradition indeed. Some of the earliest recorded Assyrian artists, like Shimon Arslan from Diyarbakir in Turkey, recorded Armenian songs back in the 1920s. It's the same as how Assyrian artists from Iran also sing in Persian. For the song I posted it makes sense that it is in Armenian, since it is commemorating the Armenian genocide.

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2012, 12:04:06 AM »
I'm sure, the both Russian language and music are alow one to express his soul and unbosom his heart in 100%. Maybe it's possible to compare Russian language with Italian one? Cuz I really don'tfeel the same with English songs...

So, I'd like to open the thread about Russian music with my favourite girl singer Marina Maximova (aka MakSim)


Meh...

The best thing about that video was closing the screen after that 'song' was over....
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Re: Russian music
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2012, 01:45:39 AM »
I'm sure, the both Russian language and music are alow one to express his soul and unbosom his heart in 100%. Maybe it's possible to compare Russian language with Italian one? Cuz I really don'tfeel the same with English songs...

So, I'd like to open the thread about Russian music with my favourite girl singer Marina Maximova (aka MakSim)


Meh...

The best thing about that video was closing the screen after that 'song' was over....

Somewhere in there I should be able to find a corny joke about "russian through it" because you don't like it...  :P

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2012, 02:01:07 AM »
The best thing about that video was closing the screen after that 'song' was over....

Maybe it depends on her poetry and one is to speak Russian to like it.

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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2012, 05:45:14 PM »
The best thing about that video was closing the screen after that 'song' was over....

Maybe it depends on her poetry and one is to speak Russian to like it.

I still couldn't tolerate it.   It's just not my style at all. 

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2012, 12:33:12 AM »
I still couldn't tolerate it.   It's just not my style at all. 

Apparently I'm the only romanic here  ;)

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2012, 01:46:06 AM »
As a sidenote, how did the USSR change Russian culture? I've understood that the Soviet state tried to create a specific Soviet culture and root out national cultures. Did that apply also to the Russian culture or was this Soviet culture modeled after basis of Russian culture?

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Re: Russian music
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2012, 06:42:49 AM »
As a sidenote, how did the USSR change Russian culture? I've understood that the Soviet state tried to create a specific Soviet culture and root out national cultures. Did that apply also to the Russian culture or was this Soviet culture modeled after basis of Russian culture?

You are opening a huge can of worms here.  There is no single Soviet experience.  Generally speaking the 1920s were a golden era of culture within the USSR.  Stalinism saw the crushing of most national cultures and near eradication of some peoples due to deportations: Chechnians, Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks for example.  Krushchev's thaw allowed non-Russian cultures to come back out into the open a bit.  By the time of Brezhnev russification was the norm, but more passively than under Stalin - people weren't being shot for being nationalists, but opportunities really only existed for Russian speakers.   The late 80s saw the flare up of nationalism: Nagorno-Karabagh, Osh conflict in '89 and demonstrations in Almaty.

Diaspora types have their axe to grind against the Soviet Union, but it is hard to dismiss the cultural achievements of Soviet citizens like Shostokovich, Bulgakov and others.  The ossified émigré culture of pre-revolutionary Russia represented something that was horrendously francophied and maybe 5% of the population, at most, participated in.  The USSR made it so that most of the population had the ability to be part of Russian culture, so out of necessity there were changes.  But I'm not sure I'd call all of them negative. 

For some cultures the USSR was also a generally positive thing (for example Kyrgyz culture) as the USSR created a standard written language for the first time, prompted creative development in said language, opened schools and universities in such languages and left a solid foundation for these cultures to develop independently now.  Others places are a mixed bag, such as Ukraine.  The 1920s were a huge boon to Ukrainian culture, but the repressions of the 30s and later russification certainly damaged Ukrainian culture in Eastern Ukraine.  On the otherhand, were it not for the Soviet led ethnic cleansing of Western Ukraine and forced ukraininization, the major cities of Western Ukraine wouldn't be Ukrainian speaking today.  Other cultures were nearly wiped off of the map by Stalinist repressions or by a more passive russification.  Belarus' is an example of the later.   

So to answer your question - yes Russian culture changed because of the USSR, but these changes were inevitable as Russian culture moved from a gentry culture to modern national culture.  Socialist realism was constraining, but brilliant works were still produced under it.