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« Reply #90 on: May 31, 2013, 06:13:32 AM »

Sorry, I should have specified that I was talking about diminutives in Arabic (Taw for Tawadros, not Teddy for Theodore). I don't know anything about diminutives in Arabic, though I feel like I probably should. Embarrassed

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« Reply #91 on: June 03, 2013, 04:54:30 PM »

What is the point of "Eastern Rite Anglicanism"? 
My thoughts exactly.
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« Reply #92 on: June 04, 2013, 11:26:20 AM »

I could have sworn there was some sort of rule about having to use titles.......  police


Only when they're real.

Well, last I heard, Katharine Jefferts Schori is a real person in a real leadership position in a real religious organization.  We can disagree on whether it is a "Church", whether she is a "bishop", or any number of things, but why be needlessly snarky?  Smiley 

You must be new to the internet.

Actually, before the internet began, I already was. And people acted badly back then too. But if I am expected to use titles for every schismatic out there, it is right and proper that you do the same for my clergy. Next time, I'm going to object to the management.
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« Reply #93 on: June 04, 2013, 11:33:39 AM »

I lump Kathy Schori, Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs in the same category. Looney religious weirdos that I don't have the time to figure out what their "titles" might be.  Although, Kathy hasn't molested children (that I know of anyways), so I guess she is a step ahead of Jeffs.
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« Reply #94 on: June 04, 2013, 11:42:13 AM »

I lump Kathy Schori, Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs in the same category. Looney religious weirdos that I don't have the time to figure out what their "titles" might be.  Although, Kathy hasn't molested children (that I know of anyways), so I guess she is a step ahead of Jeffs.
It's hardly fair to lump the former three with Jeffs.
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« Reply #95 on: June 04, 2013, 11:47:32 AM »

I lump Kathy Schori, Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs in the same category. Looney religious weirdos that I don't have the time to figure out what their "titles" might be.  Although, Kathy hasn't molested children (that I know of anyways), so I guess she is a step ahead of Jeffs.
It's hardly fair to lump the former three with Jeffs.

Well, comparison to Jeffs is a bit incindiary.  I didn't not mean to compare them on a behavioral level.  More of a legitimacy level.  I see Schori's group of churches having the same element of truth as CS, LDS and FLDS. i.e. not very much.
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« Reply #96 on: June 04, 2013, 12:31:19 PM »

....which is surely why we recite the creed every Sunday, and they do not.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #97 on: June 04, 2013, 01:12:34 PM »

....which is surely why we recite the creed every Sunday, and they do not.  Roll Eyes


...now if only she would follow the Tradition that the Creed came from.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #98 on: June 04, 2013, 02:43:53 PM »

More of a legitimacy level.  I see Schori's group of churches having the same element of truth as CS, LDS and FLDS. i.e. not very much.
I'll readily say that the EC-USA has fallen a long way in the last 30 or 40 years (and I sympathize with both the ACNA, which recently "saw the light", and the Continuing Anglicans who did so decades ago) but these comparisons ^^ seem to me little more than childish name calling.
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« Reply #99 on: June 04, 2013, 03:07:53 PM »

More of a legitimacy level.  I see Schori's group of churches having the same element of truth as CS, LDS and FLDS. i.e. not very much.
I'll readily say that the EC-USA has fallen a long way in the last 30 or 40 years (and I sympathize with both the ACNA, which recently "saw the light", and the Continuing Anglicans who did so decades ago) but these comparisons ^^ seem to me little more than childish name calling.

Well, we are certainly all entitled to our own opinion.  For the record, I did not call anyone names.  But the doctrinal direction of the EC is moving as far into heresy as the LDS, just on different points.  At least they don't believe that God lives on Kolob.  Cheesy
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« Reply #100 on: June 05, 2013, 02:49:44 AM »

I am reviewing the issue of clerical titles and how to apply our rules to the violations I've seen on this thread. Do be aware, however, that this forum does expect that every one of us show respect for clergy, even the female bishops of a church the majority of us deem to be heretical, by using the titles appropriate to their office. That means that we are each required to refer to Bishop Katherine Jefferts Schori as at least Bishop Katherine, NOT as Kathy or Kitty or whatever disrespectful name you might have for her. Thanks.
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« Reply #101 on: June 05, 2013, 10:44:56 AM »

I am reviewing the issue of clerical titles and how to apply our rules to the violations I've seen on this thread. Do be aware, however, that this forum does expect that every one of us show respect for clergy, even the female bishops of a church the majority of us deem to be heretical, by using the titles appropriate to their office. That means that we are each required to refer to Bishop Katherine Jefferts Schori as at least Bishop Katherine, NOT as Kathy or Kitty or whatever disrespectful name you might have for her. Thanks.
How's Dr. Schori? No problems there? Smiley

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« Reply #102 on: June 05, 2013, 10:47:03 AM »

How's Dr. Schori? No problems there? Smiley

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« Reply #103 on: June 05, 2013, 12:17:00 PM »

I am reviewing the issue of clerical titles and how to apply our rules to the violations I've seen on this thread. Do be aware, however, that this forum does expect that every one of us show respect for clergy, even the female bishops of a church the majority of us deem to be heretical, by using the titles appropriate to their office. That means that we are each required to refer to Bishop Katherine Jefferts Schori as at least Bishop Katherine, NOT as Kathy or Kitty or whatever disrespectful name you might have for her. Thanks.
How's Dr. Schori? No problems there? Smiley

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« Reply #104 on: June 05, 2013, 02:16:32 PM »

As you wish Smiley
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« Reply #105 on: June 05, 2013, 03:04:07 PM »

So, as I was saying, Bishop Dr. Katharine Jefferts Schori, 26th Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church of America and Primate of the Anglican Communion, is one step above President and Prophet, Seer and Revelator Warren Jeffs, President of the Priesthood of the Fundamentalism Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in that she has not, at least to our knowledge, molested any small children.

She does, however, bear a striking resemblance to the bishop in the Princess Bride.





Now THIS was a bit below the belt perhaps.  laugh
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« Reply #106 on: June 05, 2013, 04:17:46 PM »

A good question, though we should remember when bringing up distinctions of East/West that there are plenty of places that are geographically Western but definitely have their roots in Eastern praxis in one way or another. Mozarabic chant and iconography comes to mind, and there are even some very traditional Protestants who preserve chant styles that bring to mind non-Chalcedonian Orthodox forms that I'm fairly confident never made it as far as the Outer Hebrides! (I'm thinking this Gaelic chanting would be more at home with the Tewahedo than any Anglican, "Eastern" or otherwise.)

Wow, it sounds almost exactly like an Ethiopian Liturgy! How is that possible?
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« Reply #107 on: June 05, 2013, 04:31:54 PM »

A poster referred to HH as "Taw" recently, if I recall correctly. Seems right to me, given its correspondence to "Theo" (Tawadros = Theodore). Don't know if that's a standard diminutive form, though.

You just take the first or second consonent, whichever sounds better & if neither does just make one up, & double it. Susu, Mimi, Kiki, Juju, Marmar, Foofoo. I guess he'd be "Tutu" Cheesy

I have a friend named Dina, who's parents always called "Doodoo" growing up- obviously not knowing what its understood for in English.
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« Reply #108 on: June 05, 2013, 05:32:52 PM »

She does, however, bear a striking resemblance to the bishop in the Princess Bride.





Now THIS was a bit below the belt perhaps.  laugh

That it is, but he probably got used to people making fun of him a long time ago.
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« Reply #109 on: June 05, 2013, 10:30:03 PM »

I lump Kathy Schori, Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs in the same category. Looney religious weirdos that I don't have the time to figure out what their "titles" might be.  Although, Kathy hasn't molested children (that I know of anyways), so I guess she is a step ahead of Jeffs.
It's hardly fair to lump the former three with Jeffs.

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« Reply #110 on: June 05, 2013, 10:36:31 PM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

In terms of those of us who truly identify as Anglo-Orthodox or Eastern Rite Anglicans, these postmodern pseudo-Orthodox icons don't represent us.

In terms of my previous "Not true" comment it had to do with all bets being off for Eastern Rite Anglicansim. Basically, it will depend upon bishops aligning their dioceses with the mission of the Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism. We will have options available for individuals to join as members, but also for dioceses, congregations, and communities to join as affiliates. By a diocese becoming an affiliate they will support their congregations in using the Eastern Rites. It is entirely feasible.

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You mean like when [Roman-Rite] Catholics have the eucharist?

Oh, like in Lanciano?
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« Reply #111 on: June 06, 2013, 03:45:09 AM »

....which is surely why we recite the creed every Sunday, and they do not.

Is it the one from Constantinople 381?
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People in the Church tend to get upset when people outside the Church co-opt the Church's treasures as if they had a right.

You mean like when [Roman-Rite] Catholics have the eucharist?

Oh, like in Lanciano?

Well, sure, and everywhere else they have the Eucharist ... are they "co-opt[ing] the Church's treasures as if they had a right"?
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« Reply #113 on: June 06, 2013, 06:56:20 AM »


This image hurts my eyes.
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« Reply #114 on: June 06, 2013, 09:10:01 AM »

There is alot that hurts my eyes about this image.
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« Reply #115 on: June 06, 2013, 10:11:19 PM »

This image hurts my eyes.

It was not exactly a favorite in Anglican Land either.
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« Reply #116 on: June 06, 2013, 10:38:34 PM »

This image hurts my eyes.

It was not exactly a favorite in Anglican Land either.


I have a question, but there's no real nice way of asking it, and that makes me feel bad because I really don't want to poke fun.  Why does she (and other clergy) wear such vestments? 

There seems to be a tendency in Western churches to simplify vestments, and that's fine (you don't have to raid all the brocade from Lalame LIKE SOME PEOPLE Smiley), but it can still be done with good taste.  Why does tackiness (or worse) seem so appealing?  RC bishops do this sort of thing too, but it always seems to be a little worse on the Episcopalian side.  RC's will also use nice vestments, or at least OK vestments, and I'm sure Episcopalians must have them too, but where are they?  No offence, but I would've thought women clergy would have a better fashion sense.     
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« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2013, 10:40:30 PM »

This image hurts my eyes.

It was not exactly a favorite in Anglican Land either.

Even among the "Episcopalian" part? Or just among other Anglican provinces?
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« Reply #118 on: June 07, 2013, 06:02:41 AM »

This image hurts my eyes.

It was not exactly a favorite in Anglican Land either.


I have a question, but there's no real nice way of asking it, and that makes me feel bad because I really don't want to poke fun.  Why does she (and other clergy) wear such vestments? 

There seems to be a tendency in Western churches to simplify vestments, and that's fine (you don't have to raid all the brocade from Lalame LIKE SOME PEOPLE Smiley), but it can still be done with good taste.  Why does tackiness (or worse) seem so appealing?  RC bishops do this sort of thing too, but it always seems to be a little worse on the Episcopalian side.  RC's will also use nice vestments, or at least OK vestments, and I'm sure Episcopalians must have them too, but where are they?  No offence, but I would've thought women clergy would have a better fashion sense.     

My priest always wears very nice vestments, that are not at all tacky.
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« Reply #119 on: June 07, 2013, 09:02:33 AM »

This image hurts my eyes.

It was not exactly a favorite in Anglican Land either.


I have a question, but there's no real nice way of asking it, and that makes me feel bad because I really don't want to poke fun.  Why does she (and other clergy) wear such vestments? 

There seems to be a tendency in Western churches to simplify vestments, and that's fine (you don't have to raid all the brocade from Lalame LIKE SOME PEOPLE Smiley), but it can still be done with good taste.  Why does tackiness (or worse) seem so appealing?  RC bishops do this sort of thing too, but it always seems to be a little worse on the Episcopalian side.  RC's will also use nice vestments, or at least OK vestments, and I'm sure Episcopalians must have them too, but where are they?  No offence, but I would've thought women clergy would have a better fashion sense.     
Well, their Church is laughable, so why not their vestments?

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« Reply #120 on: June 07, 2013, 10:58:03 AM »

My priest always wears very nice vestments, that are not at all tacky.

Maybe s/he should be a bishop.  Smiley
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« Reply #121 on: June 07, 2013, 11:06:34 AM »

This image hurts my eyes.

It was not exactly a favorite in Anglican Land either.


I have a question, but there's no real nice way of asking it, and that makes me feel bad because I really don't want to poke fun.  Why does she (and other clergy) wear such vestments? 

There seems to be a tendency in Western churches to simplify vestments, and that's fine (you don't have to raid all the brocade from Lalame LIKE SOME PEOPLE Smiley), but it can still be done with good taste.  Why does tackiness (or worse) seem so appealing?  RC bishops do this sort of thing too, but it always seems to be a little worse on the Episcopalian side.  RC's will also use nice vestments, or at least OK vestments, and I'm sure Episcopalians must have them too, but where are they?  No offence, but I would've thought women clergy would have a better fashion sense.     
Well, their Church is laughable, so why not their vestments?

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« Reply #122 on: June 07, 2013, 11:13:34 AM »

This image hurts my eyes.
There is alot that hurts my eyes about this image.
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« Reply #123 on: June 07, 2013, 11:17:16 AM »

Well, here is a male priest rocking it in an interesting manner.

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« Reply #124 on: June 07, 2013, 11:20:22 AM »

Well, here is a male priest rocking it in an interesting manner.



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« Reply #125 on: June 07, 2013, 11:25:25 AM »

That cross. That "mitre". Ugh.
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« Reply #126 on: June 07, 2013, 11:33:06 AM »

And just so we aren't just picking on Episcopalians, here is a Lutheran rosary (?) celebrating the "femininity of Christ"

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« Reply #127 on: June 07, 2013, 11:43:15 AM »

And just so we aren't just picking on Episcopalians, here is a Lutheran rosary (?) celebrating the "femininity of Christ"



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« Reply #128 on: June 07, 2013, 03:16:56 PM »

And just so we aren't just picking on Episcopalians, here is a Lutheran rosary (?) celebrating the "femininity of Christ"



The Her Church movement, right?
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« Reply #129 on: June 07, 2013, 03:37:13 PM »

Yep.  If you want to see a true assault to one's eyes, go to their website.  Worst webpage design ever.
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« Reply #130 on: June 07, 2013, 04:02:40 PM »

Yep.  If you want to see a true assault to one's eyes, go to their website.  Worst webpage design ever.

Unfortunately, my eyes have already been assaulted once to know that.
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« Reply #131 on: June 07, 2013, 04:19:57 PM »

And just so we aren't just picking on Episcopalians, here is a Lutheran rosary (?) celebrating the "femininity of Christ"



My Pagan friends would die laughing.

At what? The whole neo-Pagan movement is almost entirely kitsch of this order.
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« Reply #132 on: June 07, 2013, 04:26:12 PM »

My Pagan friends would die laughing.

At what? The whole neo-Pagan movement is almost entirely kitsch of this order.

Mostly at the attempt at co-opting the goddess image (the pendant) into Christianity, and with an idea like 'the femininity of Christ' (lolwut?), at that.
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« Reply #133 on: June 07, 2013, 04:38:39 PM »

And just so we aren't just picking on Episcopalians, here is a Lutheran rosary (?) celebrating the "femininity of Christ"


Oh, so that's what a Lutheran rosary looks like. I'm kidding of course, but I can image a lot of Catholics, that want to be ecumenical but aren't very knowledgeable of other groups, saying that.
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« Reply #134 on: June 07, 2013, 04:47:08 PM »

My Pagan friends would die laughing.

At what? The whole neo-Pagan movement is almost entirely kitsch of this order.

Mostly at the attempt at co-opting the goddess image (the pendant) into Christianity, and with an idea like 'the femininity of Christ' (lolwut?), at that.

I think they "co-opt" more than just the image.

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Blessed are you
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For you are the MOTHER of us all.
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  and in all our needs.

O blessed be, O blessed be.  Amen

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From their Goddess Rosary page. They really go all out with the goddess stuff.
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