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« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2013, 10:12:53 PM »

Is it really possible to have an Eastern Rite in the Anglican Communion? I thought that, despite diversity, the single common denominator was the Book of Common Prayer?

That could be the case for some churches in the Anglican Communion, but we're talking about the EC-USA here. It's kind of an "all bets are off" situation.

But frankly I find it curious, the uproar here over that parish (St Gregory). I'm not denying that it's bad, but I imagine there are plenty of Western parishes in the EC-USA that are as bad or worse.
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« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2013, 01:37:40 AM »

Question for you Protestants out there: Are any of you "Anglo-Orthodox"?

I regularly identify as "Anglo-Orthodox" and am one of the co-founders of the forthcoming Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism (http://www.easternanglicanism.org)

Like them
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Mar Thoma is not Byzantine Rite. I am talking about the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom.
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« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2013, 01:39:31 AM »

Is it really possible to have an Eastern Rite in the Anglican Communion? I thought that, despite diversity, the single common denominator was the Book of Common Prayer?

That's the question that people are exploring in the Society. You can visit our Facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/EasternAnglicanism/.

Here's a Byzantine Vespers Service we recently did at my parish, Saint Giles Episcopal Church:
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« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2013, 02:59:33 AM »

Is it really possible to have an Eastern Rite in the Anglican Communion? I thought that, despite diversity, the single common denominator was the Book of Common Prayer?

That could be the case for some churches in the Anglican Communion, but we're talking about the EC-USA here. It's kind of an "all bets are off" situation.

But frankly I find it curious, the uproar here over that parish (St Gregory). I'm not denying that it's bad, but I imagine there are plenty of Western parishes in the EC-USA that are as bad or worse.

Just so you know, the state of the liturgy varies from diocese to diocese based upon the bishop.  For instance, the bishop of the Diocese of Arizona has made it a point of great importance that his parishes stick to the Book of Common Prayer.

Other bishops permit things like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Service_Book to be used for services.  But in very few cases is it the case that "all bets are off."
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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2013, 03:04:43 AM »

Is it really possible to have an Eastern Rite in the Anglican Communion? I thought that, despite diversity, the single common denominator was the Book of Common Prayer?

That could be the case for some churches in the Anglican Communion, but we're talking about the EC-USA here. It's kind of an "all bets are off" situation.

But frankly I find it curious, the uproar here over that parish (St Gregory). I'm not denying that it's bad, but I imagine there are plenty of Western parishes in the EC-USA that are as bad or worse.

Just so you know, the state of the liturgy varies from diocese to diocese based upon the bishop.  For instance, the bishop of the Diocese of Arizona has made it a point of great importance that his parishes stick to the Book of Common Prayer.

Other bishops permit things like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Service_Book to be used for services.  But in very few cases is it the case that "all bets are off."

Not true. The liturgies from Enriching Our Worship (EOW), a very postmodern "inclusive" liturgical resource, are gaining popularity. Also, the BCP offers "An Order for Celebrating the Holy Eucharist" (BCP pages 400-401), commonly called Rite III, that could be used to create an Eastern Rite. It just cannot be used for the principal Sunday service.
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« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2013, 08:46:22 AM »

Is it really possible to have an Eastern Rite in the Anglican Communion? I thought that, despite diversity, the single common denominator was the Book of Common Prayer?

That could be the case for some churches in the Anglican Communion, but we're talking about the EC-USA here. It's kind of an "all bets are off" situation.

But frankly I find it curious, the uproar here over that parish (St Gregory). I'm not denying that it's bad, but I imagine there are plenty of Western parishes in the EC-USA that are as bad or worse.

Just so you know, the state of the liturgy varies from diocese to diocese based upon the bishop.  For instance, the bishop of the Diocese of Arizona has made it a point of great importance that his parishes stick to the Book of Common Prayer.

Other bishops permit things like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Service_Book to be used for services.  But in very few cases is it the case that "all bets are off."

Well, I guess I didn't really mean "all bets are off" ... if we tried, we could undoubtedly find churches even more liberal than the EC-USA.

And, of course, I don't deny that there are some conservatives who stay in the EC-USA -- although I'm not sure whether to call them heroic or just foolish.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2013, 09:04:45 AM »

Question for you Protestants out there: Are any of you "Anglo-Orthodox"?

I regularly identify as "Anglo-Orthodox" and am one of the co-founders of the forthcoming Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism (http://www.easternanglicanism.org)

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Technically there aren't in the Anglican Communion, although they are in full communion with it (as are the Old Catholic (Union of Utrecht) churches).

So I guess you could call them "Eastern Non-Byzantine Non-Anglican Christians In Communion With Anglicanism".  Cool
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« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2013, 01:15:07 PM »

Not true. The liturgies from Enriching Our Worship (EOW), a very postmodern "inclusive" liturgical resource, are gaining popularity. Also, the BCP offers "An Order for Celebrating the Holy Eucharist" (BCP pages 400-401), commonly called Rite III, that could be used to create an Eastern Rite. It just cannot be used for the principal Sunday service.

I don't think EoW is that popular. It's pushed heavily by high-profile heretics but I've rarely come across its use in a parish, though some of its quirks are commonly applied to the BCP rites in liberal areas. Also, the currently constituted Standing Committee on Liturgy and Music is rather adverse to it; there was a lot of pushback against the last products of the old SCLM.

Rite III is really just the most bareboned skeleton of the 1979 Eucharistic order. Perhaps it could be claimed to cover a Byzantine rite, but when I look at it I see something headed in the complete opposite direction.
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« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2013, 01:30:06 AM »

Is it really possible to have an Eastern Rite in the Anglican Communion? I thought that, despite diversity, the single common denominator was the Book of Common Prayer?

That could be the case for some churches in the Anglican Communion, but we're talking about the EC-USA here. It's kind of an "all bets are off" situation.

But frankly I find it curious, the uproar here over that parish (St Gregory). I'm not denying that it's bad, but I imagine there are plenty of Western parishes in the EC-USA that are as bad or worse.

Just so you know, the state of the liturgy varies from diocese to diocese based upon the bishop.  For instance, the bishop of the Diocese of Arizona has made it a point of great importance that his parishes stick to the Book of Common Prayer.

Other bishops permit things like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Service_Book to be used for services.  But in very few cases is it the case that "all bets are off."

Not true. The liturgies from Enriching Our Worship (EOW), a very postmodern "inclusive" liturgical resource, are gaining popularity. Also, the BCP offers "An Order for Celebrating the Holy Eucharist" (BCP pages 400-401), commonly called Rite III, that could be used to create an Eastern Rite. It just cannot be used for the principal Sunday service.

Which part of what I said isn't true? 
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« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2013, 02:12:56 AM »

Eastern Rite Anglicanism....



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« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2013, 02:35:57 AM »

Eastern Rite Anglicanism....



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« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2013, 02:38:09 AM »

"Dancing with the saints" also from their website.


No doubt they have the "Lord of the Dance" front and center.
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Question for you Protestants out there: Are any of you "Anglo-Orthodox"?



I regularly identify as "Anglo-Orthodox" and am one of the co-founders of the forthcoming Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism (http://www.easternanglicanism.org)

Cool, Byzantine liturgy without all those pesky teachings about homosexuality and the like.
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« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2013, 04:09:06 AM »

"Dancing with the saints" also from their website.


No doubt they have the "Lord of the Dance" front and center.

They do have one, the Dancing Jesus I posted earlier. Though they'd probably like the other one, too ....  Tongue Tongue Wink
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« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2013, 07:32:46 AM »

As far as I know the ECUSA, I am sure there would be a way to accomodate an Eastern rite, either in an existing parish, on an experimental base in addition to the main service (if the rector and the vestry of that parish agree) or even creating a special ministry in a diocese with a status different from a regular parish. In that case, it would depend on the bishop.
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As far as I know the ECUSA, I am sure there would be a way to accomodate an Eastern rite, either in an existing parish, on an experimental base in addition to the main service (if the rector and the vestry of that parish agree) or even creating a special ministry in a diocese with a status different from a regular parish. In that case, it would depend on the bishop.
So I guess Bishop Katherine would grow a beard then?

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As far as I know the ECUSA, I am sure there would be a way to accomodate an Eastern rite, either in an existing parish, on an experimental base in addition to the main service (if the rector and the vestry of that parish agree) or even creating a special ministry in a diocese with a status different from a regular parish. In that case, it would depend on the bishop.
So I guess Kathy would grow a beard then?

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« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2013, 08:07:12 PM »

Eastern Rite Anglicanism....



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« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2013, 08:54:34 PM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

In terms of those of us who truly identify as Anglo-Orthodox or Eastern Rite Anglicans, these postmodern pseudo-Orthodox icons don't represent us.

In terms of my previous "Not true" comment it had to do with all bets being off for Eastern Rite Anglicansim. Basically, it will depend upon bishops aligning their dioceses with the mission of the Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism. We will have options available for individuals to join as members, but also for dioceses, congregations, and communities to join as affiliates. By a diocese becoming an affiliate they will support their congregations in using the Eastern Rites. It is entirely feasible.

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« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2013, 09:02:52 PM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

In terms of those of us who truly identify as Anglo-Orthodox or Eastern Rite Anglicans, these postmodern pseudo-Orthodox icons don't represent us.

In terms of my previous "Not true" comment it had to do with all bets being off for Eastern Rite Anglicansim. Basically, it will depend upon bishops aligning their dioceses with the mission of the Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism. We will have options available for individuals to join as members, but also for dioceses, congregations, and communities to join as affiliates. By a diocese becoming an affiliate they will support their congregations in using the Eastern Rites. It is entirely feasible.

Apologies for my contributions. I really don't think that those images represented Eastern Rite Anglicans. I just find bears in any non-violent context to be funny.  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2013, 09:24:41 PM »

Ick. I looked at the website. The outside of the building looks nice, then it just goes downhill.  The "icons" of the "saints" are hideous!  How could someone feel comfortable worshiping there in the midst of sacrilege?

You have to accept certain other kinds of sacrilege to accept the pictures and the people on the walls.
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« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2013, 09:26:12 PM »

Does the horse have a halo?  Tongue

St. Seraphim's bear doesn't have one, which I think is just appalling.
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Shameful and appalling.



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« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2013, 09:42:16 PM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

In terms of those of us who truly identify as Anglo-Orthodox or Eastern Rite Anglicans, these postmodern pseudo-Orthodox icons don't represent us.

In terms of my previous "Not true" comment it had to do with all bets being off for Eastern Rite Anglicansim. Basically, it will depend upon bishops aligning their dioceses with the mission of the Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism. We will have options available for individuals to join as members, but also for dioceses, congregations, and communities to join as affiliates. By a diocese becoming an affiliate they will support their congregations in using the Eastern Rites. It is entirely feasible.



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« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2013, 09:50:52 PM »

As far as I know the ECUSA, I am sure there would be a way to accomodate an Eastern rite, either in an existing parish, on an experimental base in addition to the main service (if the rector and the vestry of that parish agree) or even creating a special ministry in a diocese with a status different from a regular parish. In that case, it would depend on the bishop.
So I guess Kathy would grow a beard then?

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« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2013, 09:54:06 PM »

As far as I know the ECUSA, I am sure there would be a way to accomodate an Eastern rite, either in an existing parish, on an experimental base in addition to the main service (if the rector and the vestry of that parish agree) or even creating a special ministry in a diocese with a status different from a regular parish. In that case, it would depend on the bishop.
So I guess Kathy would grow a beard then?

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The Presiding Bishopess, I imagine.

Maybe she goes by Kitty.
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« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2013, 09:57:44 PM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

I've found that the Orthodox are quite possessive about "Eastern-ness".
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« Reply #72 on: May 30, 2013, 10:02:57 PM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

I've found that the Orthodox are quite possessive about "Eastern-ness".

Easy there, Melkite. Making sweeping generalizations about a religious group is a privilege enjoyed only by us Orthodox. Tongue
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« Reply #73 on: May 30, 2013, 10:28:26 PM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

In terms of those of us who truly identify as Anglo-Orthodox or Eastern Rite Anglicans, these postmodern pseudo-Orthodox icons don't represent us.

In terms of my previous "Not true" comment it had to do with all bets being off for Eastern Rite Anglicansim. Basically, it will depend upon bishops aligning their dioceses with the mission of the Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism. We will have options available for individuals to join as members, but also for dioceses, congregations, and communities to join as affiliates. By a diocese becoming an affiliate they will support their congregations in using the Eastern Rites. It is entirely feasible.

People in the Church tend to get upset when people outside the Church co-opt the Church's treasures as if they had a right.

You mean like when [Roman-Rite] Catholics have the eucharist?

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

I've found that the Orthodox are quite possessive about "Eastern-ness".

Easy there, Melkite. Making sweeping generalizations about a religious group is a privilege enjoyed only by us Orthodox. Tongue

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« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2013, 11:05:48 PM »

In terms of my previous "Not true" comment it had to do with all bets being off for Eastern Rite Anglicansim. Basically, it will depend upon bishops aligning their dioceses with the mission of the Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism. We will have options available for individuals to join as members, but also for dioceses, congregations, and communities to join as affiliates. By a diocese becoming an affiliate they will support their congregations in using the Eastern Rites. It is entirely feasible.



What is the point of "Eastern Rite Anglicanism"?  The Mar Thoma Church in India was referenced somewhere, but that was a schism from the Orthodox that retained a simplified Eastern rite (Syriac).  What's the point of introducing an Eastern rite into the Anglican Church?  The name Anglican is presumably derived from the Latin for England...it doesn't get any more Western than that.  So why the push for an Eastern rite? 

I'm not trying to be disrespectful or dismissive, nor am I "protective" of Eastern-ness as some are alleged to be.  I just don't get it.  Forgive me if this has already been covered in this thread or elsewhere, I just don't recall having seen it, maybe I skimmed through that part.   
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« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2013, 11:31:02 PM »

A good question, though we should remember when bringing up distinctions of East/West that there are plenty of places that are geographically Western but definitely have their roots in Eastern praxis in one way or another. Mozarabic chant and iconography comes to mind, and there are even some very traditional Protestants who preserve chant styles that bring to mind non-Chalcedonian Orthodox forms that I'm fairly confident never made it as far as the Outer Hebrides! (I'm thinking this Gaelic chanting would be more at home with the Tewahedo than any Anglican, "Eastern" or otherwise.)
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« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2013, 11:56:04 PM »

As far as I know the ECUSA, I am sure there would be a way to accomodate an Eastern rite, either in an existing parish, on an experimental base in addition to the main service (if the rector and the vestry of that parish agree) or even creating a special ministry in a diocese with a status different from a regular parish. In that case, it would depend on the bishop.
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« Reply #77 on: May 31, 2013, 12:01:52 AM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

In terms of those of us who truly identify as Anglo-Orthodox or Eastern Rite Anglicans, these postmodern pseudo-Orthodox icons don't represent us.

In terms of my previous "Not true" comment it had to do with all bets being off for Eastern Rite Anglicansim. Basically, it will depend upon bishops aligning their dioceses with the mission of the Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism. We will have options available for individuals to join as members, but also for dioceses, congregations, and communities to join as affiliates. By a diocese becoming an affiliate they will support their congregations in using the Eastern Rites. It is entirely feasible.



Perhaps there was a miscommunication then; I thought you were saying something I said was not true.  I agree wholeheartedly with your post, and truly wish you success, because I can think of several formerly Orthodox Episcopalians who would love to attend an Eastern Rite Episcopal service, if not in fact join an Eastern Rite Episcopal parish.
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« Reply #78 on: May 31, 2013, 12:05:55 AM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

In terms of those of us who truly identify as Anglo-Orthodox or Eastern Rite Anglicans, these postmodern pseudo-Orthodox icons don't represent us.

In terms of my previous "Not true" comment it had to do with all bets being off for Eastern Rite Anglicansim. Basically, it will depend upon bishops aligning their dioceses with the mission of the Society for Eastern Rite Anglicanism. We will have options available for individuals to join as members, but also for dioceses, congregations, and communities to join as affiliates. By a diocese becoming an affiliate they will support their congregations in using the Eastern Rites. It is entirely feasible.



People in the Church tend to get upset when people outside the Church co-opt the Church's treasures as if they had a right.

You remind me a lot of the Disciple John, especially when Mark recollects him in chapter nine of of the second Gospel.
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« Reply #79 on: May 31, 2013, 12:07:34 AM »

As far as I know the ECUSA, I am sure there would be a way to accomodate an Eastern rite, either in an existing parish, on an experimental base in addition to the main service (if the rector and the vestry of that parish agree) or even creating a special ministry in a diocese with a status different from a regular parish. In that case, it would depend on the bishop.
So I guess Kathy would grow a beard then?

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The Presiding Bishopess, I imagine.

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« Reply #80 on: May 31, 2013, 12:08:11 AM »

As far as I know the ECUSA, I am sure there would be a way to accomodate an Eastern rite, either in an existing parish, on an experimental base in addition to the main service (if the rector and the vestry of that parish agree) or even creating a special ministry in a diocese with a status different from a regular parish. In that case, it would depend on the bishop.
So I guess Kathy would grow a beard then?

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The Presiding Bishopess, I imagine.

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I think that goes for Church leaders only, not social clubs pretending to be religions.  Wink


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I could have sworn there was some sort of rule about having to use titles.......  police


Only when they're real.

Well, last I heard, Katharine Jefferts Schori is a real person in a real leadership position in a real religious organization.  We can disagree on whether it is a "Church", whether she is a "bishop", or any number of things, but why be needlessly snarky?  Smiley 
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Only when they're real.

Well, last I heard, Katharine Jefferts Schori is a real person in a real leadership position in a real religious organization.  We can disagree on whether it is a "Church", whether she is a "bishop", or any number of things, but why be needlessly snarky?  Smiley 

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You must be new to the internet.

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« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2013, 01:23:35 AM »

Oh, you silly Anglicans, always trying to play Liturgical Christianity with the big boys!

Really though, "Kathy" is just as bad as "Bart" or "Franky."

EDIT: I guess H.H. Pope Tawadros II is spared from snarky internet put-downery, on a count of having a name with no apparent diminutive.
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« Reply #85 on: May 31, 2013, 01:35:37 AM »

A poster referred to HH as "Taw" recently, if I recall correctly. Seems right to me, given its correspondence to "Theo" (Tawadros = Theodore). Don't know if that's a standard diminutive form, though.
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« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2013, 01:45:39 AM »

A poster referred to HH as "Taw" recently, if I recall correctly. Seems right to me, given its correspondence to "Theo" (Tawadros = Theodore). Don't know if that's a standard diminutive form, though.

That would be "Teddy" (like Teddy Roosevelt).
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« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2013, 01:47:34 AM »

Sorry, I should have specified that I was talking about diminutives in Arabic (Taw for Tawadros, not Teddy for Theodore). I don't know anything about diminutives in Arabic, though I feel like I probably should. Embarrassed
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« Reply #89 on: May 31, 2013, 02:53:44 AM »

People need to get over posting pics from Saint Gregory of Nyssa. They aren't trying to be Orthodox and more than Br. Robert Lentz (https://www.trinitystores.com/store/artist/Robert-Lentz) is trying to make Orthodox icons...meaning, they aren't.

In terms of those of us who truly identify as Anglo-Orthodox or Eastern Rite Anglicans, these postmodern pseudo-Orthodox icons don't represent us.

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People in the Church tend to get upset when people outside the Church co-opt the Church's treasures as if they had a right.

Precisely, my dear Shanghaiski. Precisely. Dilettantism should have no place in faith and worship.
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