Topic: Brother Nathanael

[yeshuaisiam]

Love what he says, love his videos.

[psalm110]

I do also enjoy his videos - he does also talk about alot of FACTS.
"Satanic Verses in the Talmud"
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=156

I found that article very interesting.

[Ebor]

This person also promotes the loathsome "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" as being a real document of Jewish conspiracy which is it not but is rather a rank fabrication. 

[KBN1]

I can't imagine there being a healthy outcome to paying any attention to him.

[Ionnis]

His message is contrary to the Gospel of Christ.  IMO, his message is evil.

[KBN1]

His message is contrary to the Gospel of Christ.  IMO, his message is evil.

Agreed.

[Punch]

Love what he says, love his videos.

Same here.  My priest the the one who turned me on to him.

[Ebor]

Love what he says, love his videos.

May one ask what particular things you like please? 

[Ebor]

The "quotes" that are supposed to be from the Talmud 1) have no citation of any particular translation and 2) I have found at least one on-line Talmud and the purported quotes aren't from the text itself.  There are references in the notes, but also statements that some references to Jesus are anachronistic in that they have Him contemporary with an earlier figure and that there were other people with that name that could have been confused with each other. 

I do not trust Brother Nathanael's quotes or understanding of complex texts. 

I had some interactions with him some years ago on the E-Cafe when he was in conflict with Gregory of Colorado and removed/left the monastery. I have also read some of his later (and imho poisonously slanderous) articles against various EO bishops.  I agree with KBN1 and other posters here.

[psalm110]

I wish he would do some apologetics against Judaism instead or constantly judging the jews. I didn't like the fact when he had a board "Jews are the anti-christ" walking down new york and a jew throw his coffee on his face.

[yeshuaisiam]

Love what he says, love his videos.

May one ask what particular things you like please? 

Yes, you have a Christian monk telling the evils of Zionist Jews.   Calling out the elite bankers & world leaders.   Supporting the Christian leaders.

[augustin717]

Love what he says, love his videos.

Same here. I'm nearly dying of laughter whenever I watch those videos.

[Ioannis Climacus]

For what it's worth, I by chance met Br. Nathanael this past summer while visiting St. Anthony's Monestary in Arizona. He was received by and communed with the monks. He said he was there to discuss with Elder Ephraim the ongoing talks of establishing a monastery (under the GOAA) near his current residence. I left the day after he arrived, so I have no clue if the elder/diocese came to a decision.

[Iconodule]

Love what he says, love his videos.

May one ask what particular things you like please? 

Yes, you have a Christian monk telling the evils of Zionist Jews.   Calling out the elite bankers & world leaders.   Supporting the Christian leaders.

And you have no problem with his white supremacism?

[Punch]

Yes, you have a Christian monk telling the evils of Zionist Jews.   Calling out the elite bankers & world leaders.   Supporting the Christian leaders.

And you have no problem with his white supremacism?

I guess that I already knew that for most liberals, if you do not have your lips firmly stuck on a Jewish rear you are antisemetic, but I did not know that also made you a white supremist.

[Ansgar]

Yes, you have a Christian monk telling the evils of Zionist Jews.   Calling out the elite bankers & world leaders.   Supporting the Christian leaders.

And you have no problem with his white supremacism?

I guess that I already knew that for most liberals, if you do not have your lips firmly stuck on a Jewish rear you are antisemetic, but I did not know that also made you a white supremist.

It's strange. When I hear criticism of zionism, it most often comes from liberals. Most of the blind support of Israel and zionism I hear, comes from conservative christians.

[Punch]

It's strange. When I hear criticism of zionism, it most often comes from liberals. Most of the blind support of Israel and zionism I hear, comes from conservative christians.

I do not consider "evangelicals" or Republicans to be at all "conservative".  They are both bought and paid for, as well as in bed with, the same people as the Democrats, ACLU, and the other organizations that serve the Antichrist.

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[Ansgar]

It's strange. When I hear criticism of zionism, it most often comes from liberals. Most of the blind support of Israel and zionism I hear, comes from conservative christians.

I do not consider "evangelicals" or Republicans to be at all "conservative".  They are both bought and paid for, as well as in bed with, the same people as the Democrats, ACLU, and the other organizations that serve the Antichrist.

I did not necessarily mean evangelicals or repuplicans, I said conservative.

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[Iconodule]

Yes, you have a Christian monk telling the evils of Zionist Jews.   Calling out the elite bankers & world leaders.   Supporting the Christian leaders.

And you have no problem with his white supremacism?

I guess that I already knew that for most liberals, if you do not have your lips firmly stuck on a Jewish rear you are antisemetic, but I did not know that also made you a white supremist.

Have you seen this video, Punch? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8phYsxf4xMM

Among other things, he says the following:

"White identity is indeed a necessary component in resisting the nightmare of multiracialism that the Jewish agenda brought to America and throughout Europe. International Jewry's objective intent and aim: to destroy the one force that could oppose them- namely, a white Christian political power bloc."

Nathanael criticizes white nationalist movements, but not because of their white nationalism, but because they do not promote ("white") Christianity enough.

Someone who persistently rails against "multiracialism" and promotes "White Christian" values and white nationalism, or who talks about "a war on white America" is clearly a white supremacist. Apparently my parents' interracial marriage was part of the Zionist agenda to undermine "White Christianity."

[mike]

Yes, you have a Christian monk telling the evils of Zionist Jews.   Calling out the elite bankers & world leaders.   Supporting the Christian leaders.

Firstly: He's not a monk. Secondly: Supporting Protestantism isn't much different from supporting Judaism from the Orthodox POV.

[Ioannis Climacus]

Iconodule : Calling him a "supremacist" is a bit inaccurate. Nearly everything Br. Nathanael says on racial matters comes from the writings of the philosopher Oswald Spengler. I think we can disagree with him on these issues without resorting to exaggeration.

[Carl Kraeff (Second Chance)]

Iconodule : Calling him a "supremacist" is a bit inaccurate. Nearly everything Br. Nathanael says on racial matters comes from the writings of the philosopher Oswald Spengler. I think we can disagree with him on these issues without resorting to exaggeration.

Mr Spengler certainly did not believe in the equality of the races. However, in the case of Nathanael Kapner, he is more than an anti-Zionist; I think he really hates Jews as a race, unless they convert to Christianity--just like himself.

[Ioannis Climacus]

Iconodule : Calling him a "supremacist" is a bit inaccurate. Nearly everything Br. Nathanael says on racial matters comes from the writings of the philosopher Oswald Spengler. I think we can disagree with him on these issues without resorting to exaggeration.

Mr Spengler certainly did not believe in the equality of the races. However, in the case of Nathanael Kapner, he is more than an anti-Zionist; I think he really hates Jews as a race, unless they convert to Christianity--just like himself.

I am not familiar with any supremacist views held by Spengler, but you are more than welcome to correct me. Spengler was a racialist, that is, he believed the races were inherently different and predisposed towards certain behaviors. Furthermore he suggested that each race be allotted its own homeland. While he may have been proud of his own, I do not know of any instance in which he advocated the supremacy of the white race (incidentally, one of the reasons he refused to join the National Socialist movement in Germany or its affiliated party).

[Iconodule]

White separatism and white supremacy= distinction without a difference. In the real world, homogeneous communities will always butt up against each other and the choice will be to integrate or compete. The idea that each "race" could remain in its own homogeneous homeland in perpetuity is naive or disingenuous, particularly considering that the modern conceptions of race were not even believed 500 years ago. In the context of the United States, where "whiteness" has always carried a degree of privilege, white separatism and white supremacy are invariably conjoined.

The fact that "Brother" Nathanael talks about the need for a "white Christian political power bloc" and speaks as if the "white race" is integral to Christianity, as if none of the numerous Christians of color counted, shows that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing and not a Christian at all.

[Iconodule]

BTW I'm really wondering if Yeshuaisiam, Punch, and the other Nathanael enthusiasts here remain so after learning about his white nationalism which they were clearly unaware of before.

[Carl Kraeff (Second Chance)]

White separatism and white supremacy= distinction without a difference. In the real world, homogeneous communities will always butt up against each other and the choice will be to integrate or compete. The idea that each "race" could remain in its own homogeneous homeland in perpetuity is naive or disingenuous, particularly considering that the modern conceptions of race were not even believed 500 years ago. In the context of the United States, where "whiteness" has always carried a degree of privilege, white separatism and white supremacy are invariably conjoined.

The fact that "Brother" Nathanael talks about the need for a "white Christian political power bloc" and speaks as if the "white race" is integral to Christianity, as if none of the numerous Christians of color counted, shows that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing and not a Christian at all.

I agree. Even if the idea is not supremacy, separatism brings forth the "us vs them" phenomenon. Supremacy is then a natural and logical result.

[celticfan1888]

He's a white supremacist and I have a very low opinion of ROCA- Agafangel for allowing him to publicly rave without any repercussions.

A white supremest Jew? lol

Boy, you crazy.

[celticfan1888]

We have a lot of judgmental folke here.

Why do people claim he isn't a monk? Also, he doesn't promote anything that isn't Orthodox, he just says Judaism is the teachings of the Pharisees (which it is), and it is an evil religion (that's left to interpretation).

I think we jut have a lot of converts carrying their Protestant (Zionist) baggage with them.

I agree, he needs to talk about more things, the Jew thing is getting kind of old, but he is not "racist" against Jews. You guys take it a little too far. Your hate for him brings you together and that's a little messed up guys.

If people focused on their own salvation as much as judging others, the world would be awesome.

[Punch]

White separatism and white supremacy= distinction without a difference. In the real world, homogeneous communities will always butt up against each other and the choice will be to integrate or compete. The idea that each "race" could remain in its own homogeneous homeland in perpetuity is naive or disingenuous, particularly considering that the modern conceptions of race were not even believed 500 years ago. In the context of the United States, where "whiteness" has always carried a degree of privilege, white separatism and white supremacy are invariably conjoined.

The fact that "Brother" Nathanael talks about the need for a "white Christian political power bloc" and speaks as if the "white race" is integral to Christianity, as if none of the numerous Christians of color counted, shows that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing and not a Christian at all.

Yes, and the mixing of the races has had such a positive benefit here in the US.  Sorry, don't buy it.

[Punch]

BTW I'm really wondering if Yeshuaisiam, Punch, and the other Nathanael enthusiasts here remain so after learning about his white nationalism which they were clearly unaware of before.

Yes.  And I was more aware of his views than you have assumed.  You also assume that I would disagree with them.  I do not.

[Iconodule]

White separatism and white supremacy= distinction without a difference. In the real world, homogeneous communities will always butt up against each other and the choice will be to integrate or compete. The idea that each "race" could remain in its own homogeneous homeland in perpetuity is naive or disingenuous, particularly considering that the modern conceptions of race were not even believed 500 years ago. In the context of the United States, where "whiteness" has always carried a degree of privilege, white separatism and white supremacy are invariably conjoined.

The fact that "Brother" Nathanael talks about the need for a "white Christian political power bloc" and speaks as if the "white race" is integral to Christianity, as if none of the numerous Christians of color counted, shows that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing and not a Christian at all.

Yes, and the mixing of the races has had such a positive benefit here in the US.  Sorry, don't buy it.

The Church is a mixing of races. Too bad for you.

[Iconodule]

We have a lot of judgmental folke here.

Why do people claim he isn't a monk? Also, he doesn't promote anything that isn't Orthodox, he just says Judaism is the teachings of the Pharisees (which it is), and it is an evil religion (that's left to interpretation).

I think we jut have a lot of converts carrying their Protestant (Zionist) baggage with them.

I agree, he needs to talk about more things, the Jew thing is getting kind of old, but he is not "racist" against Jews. You guys take it a little too far. Your hate for him brings you together and that's a little messed up guys.

If people focused on their own salvation as much as judging others, the world would be awesome.

And yet another Nathanael fanboy who doesn't know what Nathanael actually believes...

Scroll up to reply # 63, watch Nathanael's "Christian Roots of White Nations" video, and educate yourself.

For the record, I have never been a Zionist nor a Protestant. I believe the state of Israel is immoral and should be abolished.

[Ionnis]

We have a lot of judgmental folke here.

Yes, it is a passion all of us struggle with.

Why do people claim he isn't a monk?

IMO, he isn't a monk.  He is a novice. 

Also, he doesn't promote anything that isn't Orthodox, he just says Judaism is the teachings of the Pharisees (which it is), and it is an evil religion (that's left to interpretation).

Some say he is a White supremacist.  I can't say that as I don't know enough about his teachings.  I do know he teaches racialism. This is not Orthodox teaching.

I think we jut have a lot of converts carrying their Protestant (Zionist) baggage with them.

No, I was raised in a Protestant household.  Zionism nor the Jews were EVER discussed growing up.  Not all Protestants are Zionist.  As an adult, I know for a fact my dad is not a Zionist.  What it seems like to me (I can't say for certain) is that we have a  few reactionary converts here who believe it is Orthodox to believe the opposite of what "the heretical Protestant West" believes.  Protestants are Zionists?  We are anti-Zionists and it is our duty to disparage Judaism and Jews at every turn. In love of course...

I agree, he needs to talk about more things, the Jew thing is getting kind of old, but he is not "racist" against Jews. You guys take it a little too far. Your hate for him brings you together and that's a little messed up guys.

I don't have any hatred whatsoever towards the man.  Yet, I agree with a great deal of what others are saying. 

If people focused on their own salvation as much as judging others, the world would be awesome.

Indeed.  I encourage you to take your own advice.  Stop accusing people of hating another when you do not know their hearts. 

[celticfan1888]

We have a lot of judgmental folke here.

Why do people claim he isn't a monk? Also, he doesn't promote anything that isn't Orthodox, he just says Judaism is the teachings of the Pharisees (which it is), and it is an evil religion (that's left to interpretation).

I think we jut have a lot of converts carrying their Protestant (Zionist) baggage with them.

I agree, he needs to talk about more things, the Jew thing is getting kind of old, but he is not "racist" against Jews. You guys take it a little too far. Your hate for him brings you together and that's a little messed up guys.

If people focused on their own salvation as much as judging others, the world would be awesome.

And yet another Nathanael fanboy who doesn't know what Nathanael actually believes...

Scroll up to reply # 63, watch Nathanael's "Christian Roots of White Nations" video, and educate yourself.

For the record, I have never been a Zionist nor a Protestant. I believe the state of Israel is immoral and should be abolished.

I'm not a "fan-boy". I'm just not going to judge him.

[celticfan1888]

We have a lot of judgmental folke here.

Yes, it is a passion all of us struggle with.

Why do people claim he isn't a monk?

IMO, he isn't a monk.  He is a novice. 

Also, he doesn't promote anything that isn't Orthodox, he just says Judaism is the teachings of the Pharisees (which it is), and it is an evil religion (that's left to interpretation).

Some say he is a White supremacist.  I can't say that as I don't know enough about his teachings.  I do know he teaches racialism. This is not Orthodox teaching.

I think we jut have a lot of converts carrying their Protestant (Zionist) baggage with them.

No, I was raised in a Protestant household.  Zionism nor the Jews were EVER discussed growing up.  Not all Protestants are Zionist.  As an adult, I know for a fact my dad is not a Zionist.  What it seems like to me (I can't say for certain) is that we have a  few reactionary converts here who believe it is Orthodox to believe the opposite of what "the heretical Protestant West" believes.  Protestants are Zionists?  We are anti-Zionists and it is our duty to disparage Judaism and Jews at every turn. In love of course...

I agree, he needs to talk about more things, the Jew thing is getting kind of old, but he is not "racist" against Jews. You guys take it a little too far. Your hate for him brings you together and that's a little messed up guys.

I don't have any hatred whatsoever towards the man.  Yet, I agree with a great deal of what others are saying. 

If people focused on their own salvation as much as judging others, the world would be awesome.

Indeed.  I encourage you to take your own advice.  Stop accusing people of hating another when you do not know their hearts. 

1) By definition he is a monk: A monk (from Greek: μοναχός, monachos, "single, solitary') is a person who practices religious asceticism, living either alone or with any number of other monks. A monk may be a person who decided to dedicate his life to serve the other living beings or to be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live his life in prayer and contemplation.

2) Please explain how he teaches racism.

3) I apologize, I might be judging you all as judging him. I'm just scandalized there is a thread dedicated to it.

As a bonus, many people here are Zionists (atleast of what I've read), so it was directed to the many...not the few.

[Ionnis]

1) If we follow your definition I'm a monk. 
2) I did not say he was a racist.  I said he is a racialist.
3) I generally agree.  I hate threads dedicated to specific people with the purpose of discrediting them.  However, in this case, I believe it is necessary.  He acts as a representative of our Holy Orthodoxy and IMO he is doing us a great disservice.  In this case, I strongly support distancing ourselves from Br. Nathanael's invective.

[LBK]

1) By definition he is a monk: A monk (from Greek: μοναχός, monachos, "single, solitary') is a person who practices religious asceticism, living either alone or with any number of other monks. A monk may be a person who decided to dedicate his life to serve the other living beings or to be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live his life in prayer and contemplation.

Correction: Br Nathaniel has not received monastic tonsure. Monastics, both novices and tonsured, are also under the obedience of their abbot and their bishop. Yet to see evidence of this person conforming to either requirement.

[celticfan1888]

1) If we follow your definition I'm a monk. 
2) I did not say he was a racist.  I said he is a racialist.
3) I generally agree.  I hate threads dedicated to specific people with the purpose of discrediting them.  However, in this case, I believe it is necessary.  He acts as a representative of our Holy Orthodoxy and IMO he is doing us a great disservice.  In this case, I strongly support distancing ourselves from Br. Nathanael's invective.

1) If you consider yourself as such, why can't you be?
2) How is he such? He hasn't promoted it?
3) Isn't that separating people in the same way "racialism" is? You are going to try and distance Orthodoxy from this man, to make it look more favourable. Why are you so concerned with that? Focus on yourself, not trying to "disprove" Nathanael.

[celticfan1888]

1) By definition he is a monk: A monk (from Greek: μοναχός, monachos, "single, solitary') is a person who practices religious asceticism, living either alone or with any number of other monks. A monk may be a person who decided to dedicate his life to serve the other living beings or to be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live his life in prayer and contemplation.

Correction: Br Nathaniel has not received monastic tonsure. Monastics, both novices and tonsured, are also under the obedience of their abbot and their bishop. Yet to see evidence of this person conforming to either requirement.

Look up the definition http://orthodoxwiki.org/Monasticism

You don't have to be tonsured. Do you think many of the desert ascetics (who were hermits) were tonsured? I guess you don't consider them monks either? Or is Br. Nathanael an exception because you do not like him?

[Ionnis]

Focus on yourself, not trying to "disprove" Nathanael.

This is good advice.  Thank you.

[Iconodule]

2) How is he such? He hasn't promoted it?

So promoting a "White Christian political power bloc" and denouncing interracial marriage is not racialism in your book?

[celticfan1888]

2) How is he such? He hasn't promoted it?

So promoting a "White Christian political power bloc" and denouncing interracial marriage is not racialism in your book?

Is that what he said? If you can send me a clip of him saying that, I would appreciate it. I've personally never heard such (not calling you a liar, it just doesn't seem like the man I met).

[Iconodule]

2) How is he such? He hasn't promoted it?

So promoting a "White Christian political power bloc" and denouncing interracial marriage is not racialism in your book?

Is that what he said? If you can send me a clip of him saying that, I would appreciate it. I've personally never heard such (not calling you a liar, it just doesn't seem like the man I met).

I already pointed out the video to you, but here it is again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8phYsxf4xMM

[88Devin12]

To be a monk in our church, you must be beyond a novice. There was a time when this wasn't the case, but we are beyond that time in our history, you can't apply the rule of the desert fathers to modern novices.

If Brother Nathanael is a monk, then tell me, who is his spiritual father? Who is his abbot? And most importantly, if Brother Nathanael is Orthodox, who is his Bishop? He needs to be under the obedience of a Bishop, otherwise he most certainly is not Orthodox.

As for his teachings, he's a crackpot with crackpot theories. His New World Order, grand Zionist plan, Freemasonry bull is just plain stupid. He's not a holy fool despite any attempts to appear as such.

[celticfan1888]

2) How is he such? He hasn't promoted it?

So promoting a "White Christian political power bloc" and denouncing interracial marriage is not racialism in your book?

Is that what he said? If you can send me a clip of him saying that, I would appreciate it. I've personally never heard such (not calling you a liar, it just doesn't seem like the man I met).

I already pointed out the video to you, but here it is again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8phYsxf4xMM

Interesting. I told him I (a Norwegian) was marrying a Puerto Rican woman, and he wished me well.

But I don't disagree with you, from what he said did make him sound like a White Supremest.