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« on: January 12, 2012, 05:24:50 PM »


Forget San Francisco (18th) or New York (not even on the list) — the gayest city in the U.S. is...
drum roll please..
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 05:47:19 PM »


Get out!  Really?  That's actually a surprise!
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 05:53:15 PM »

What a surprise, and Cambridge came in 3rd.   Shocked
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 05:54:23 PM »


Forget San Francisco (18th) or New York (not even on the list) — the gayest city in the U.S. is...
drum roll please..

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 06:02:28 PM »

Is that not surprising?

Several people have speculated that once gay marriage is legal, then polygamy will be legalized, and Salt Lake City will rejoice that their polygamous religious ancestors like Joseph Smith have been vindicated.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 06:13:22 PM »

How can Pittsburgh be on the list? Can gay people really coexist with yinzers? Impossible!
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 07:27:31 PM »

I'm not surprised at all that Orlando is number two on that list. Gay people LOVE Disney.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 07:45:24 PM »

I've been to most of these cities, and lived a little more than an hour from SF for most of my life. SF is the gayest city in the United States, hands down. God help us if that's what we've got to look forward to from the homosexuality advocates: An America where every city looks like the Castro district. No thank you. (I don't mind SF on the whole, though. A bit too hip and expensive, but still a nice place to visit every so often.)
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 08:17:15 PM »

So, another reason not to live in Salt Lake City.  As if one needed another.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 08:19:53 PM »

I can't imagine a party district with no alcohol or caffeine.
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2012, 08:31:29 PM »

I can't imagine a party district with no alcohol or caffeine.
SLC lost its Morman majority some time ago (only 62% of Utah is LDS).  That's not even accounting for "Jake" (non-observant) Mormons.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2012, 08:50:10 PM »

In 2007 Salt Lake City was ranked by Forbes Magazine as the most vain city in America based on the number of plastic surgeons per 100,000 and their spending habits on cosmetics, which exceed that of cities of similar size.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/29/plastic-health-surgery-forbeslife-cx_rr_1129health_slide_2.html

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2012, 08:53:01 PM »

I can't imagine a party district with no alcohol or caffeine.
SLC lost its Morman majority some time ago (only 62% of Utah is LDS).  That's not even accounting for "Jake" (non-observant) Mormons.
the expression is "Jack-Mormon".
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2012, 08:53:33 PM »

In 2007 Salt Lake City was ranked by Forbes Magazine as the most vain city in America based on the number of plastic surgeons per 100,000 and their spending habits on cosmetics, which exceed that of cities of similar size.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/29/plastic-health-surgery-forbeslife-cx_rr_1129health_slide_2.html

Is there a connection?

I don't see one.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2012, 09:27:52 PM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2012, 09:29:48 PM »

I'm surprised that my city is number ten. We are gayer than San Francisco!  Shocked
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2012, 09:33:05 PM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2012, 09:39:57 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2012, 09:52:33 PM »

I can't imagine a party district with no alcohol or caffeine.
SLC lost its Morman majority some time ago (only 62% of Utah is LDS).  That's not even accounting for "Jake" (non-observant) Mormons.
the expression is "Jack-Mormon".
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A lot of them in Salt Lake City?  And what do you mean by non-observant?
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2012, 09:56:59 PM »

I can't imagine a party district with no alcohol or caffeine.
SLC lost its Morman majority some time ago (only 62% of Utah is LDS).  That's not even accounting for "Jake" (non-observant) Mormons.
the expression is "Jack-Mormon".
Jew have a nick-name for non-observant Jews. We call them "non-observant Jews".
I was just making a joke about "Jack-Mormons".
A lot of them in Salt Lake City?  And what do you mean by non-observant?
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2012, 10:36:20 PM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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Yep. Unfortunately Atlanta has a very high abortion rate as well. Lots of homelessness also (not that homelessness is sinful, but the culture that contributes to homelessness is.) Pretty much any sin you can think of is openly visible in Atlanta, and much of it is quite celebrated. I referenced Sodom and Gomorrah simply because it represents unrestrained wickedness and shameless evil.


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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2012, 10:58:15 PM »

I'm not surprised at all that Orlando is number two on that list. Gay people LOVE Disney.

But Disney is in Kissimmee!
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2012, 11:00:20 PM »

Is that not surprising?

Several people have speculated that once gay marriage is legal, then polygamy will be legalized, and Salt Lake City will rejoice that their polygamous religious ancestors like Joseph Smith have been vindicated.

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BIBLICALLY, Polygamy was practiced by many religious personages and also not forbidden in scripture.  It was the church that forbade it.   Whether or not one believes in the evolution of the church could dictate whether or not Polygamy is correct.  I'm not sure exactly how I feel about Polygamy, because if I called it sinful and wrong, that would discredit so many in the bible....  

But with that said, gay marriage creeps me out.  All homosexuality is an abomination.    I am shocked it is Salt Lake City.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2012, 11:38:35 PM »

I just watched the Gayest show on TV, Project Runway All Stars.
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I just watched the Gayest show on TV, Project Runway All Stars.

Project Runway is a good show... fierce even
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2012, 12:00:12 AM »

Is that not surprising?

Several people have speculated that once gay marriage is legal, then polygamy will be legalized, and Salt Lake City will rejoice that their polygamous religious ancestors like Joseph Smith have been vindicated.

Lord have mercy on us and save us.

BIBLICALLY, Polygamy was practiced by many religious personages and also not forbidden in scripture.
Still struggling with the New Testament I see.
It was the church that forbade it.   Whether or not one believes in the evolution of the church could dictate whether or not Polygamy is correct.
No, just whether you have correct or incorrect beliefs.

I'm not sure exactly how I feel about Polygamy, because if I called it sinful and wrong, that would discredit so many in the bible....
There isn't a single instance of polygamy ending well.  As Christ said "because of your hardness of heart..."

But with that said, gay marriage creeps me out.  All homosexuality is an abomination.    I am shocked it is Salt Lake City.
Then just go to the mormon polygamy compounds.
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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2012, 12:01:31 AM »

I just watched the Gayest show on TV, Project Runway All Stars.
the gayest part is they take themselves seriously.
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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2012, 01:28:34 AM »

I'm not surprised at all that Orlando is number two on that list. Gay people LOVE Disney.

But Disney is in Kissimmee!

No.... Disney is in Celebration! Isn't that fabulous?
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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2012, 01:40:24 AM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2012, 01:44:51 AM »

Is that not surprising?

Several people have speculated that once gay marriage is legal, then polygamy will be legalized
The great minds of our times, no doubt.  Wink
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BIBLICALLY, Polygamy was practiced by many religious personages and also not forbidden in scripture.  It was the church that forbade it.   Whether or not one believes in the evolution of the church could dictate whether or not Polygamy is correct.  I'm not sure exactly how I feel about Polygamy, because if I called it sinful and wrong, that would discredit so many in the bible....

Relationships between one man and one woman are complex enough. Why make it harder by adding more spouses to the equation?
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2012, 01:46:28 AM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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Yes, it's indeed sad to see what that wonderful city has become. It was great when I was growing up there, but after the Olympics came everything went down hill very rapidly, just as I predicted. It's a completely different city now, and its former laid back Southern charm has been negated by the influx of crass yankees, and yes, the proliferation of sodomites.

(Since the title of this thread is blatantly politically incorrect, I feel no need to hold back here. Wink )


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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2012, 02:13:09 AM »

Sodomites? I think calling them human brings created in the image of God is more appropriate. Just my opinion.
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Sodomites? I think calling them human brings created in the image of God is more appropriate. Just my opinion.


I quite agree.



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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2012, 02:22:46 AM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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Yes, it's indeed sad to see what that wonderful city has become. It was great when I was growing up there, but after the Olympics came everything went down hill very rapidly, just as I predicted. It's a completely different city now, and its former laid back Southern charm has been negated by the influx of crass yankees, and yes, the proliferation of sodomites.

(Since the title of this thread is blatantly politically incorrect, I feel no need to hold back here. Wink )


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It's not really that suprising that people with magic underwear are gay.
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It's not really that suprising that people with magic underwear are gay.
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2012, 10:29:35 AM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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Yes, it's indeed sad to see what that wonderful city has become. It was great when I was growing up there, but after the Olympics came everything went down hill very rapidly, just as I predicted. It's a completely different city now, and its former laid back Southern charm has been negated by the influx of crass yankees, and yes, the proliferation of sodomites.

(Since the title of this thread is blatantly politically incorrect, I feel no need to hold back here. Wink )


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When I lived in Atlanta (early '90's) there were already a proliferation of New York license plates.  Even our third grade classroom was graced by someone with a horrible, flat, Midwestern accent!   Wink
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I just watched the Gayest show on TV, Project Runway All Stars.

Project Runway is a good show... fierce even
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I just watched the Gayest show on TV, Project Runway All Stars.
the gayest part is they take themselves seriously.
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In 2007 Salt Lake City was ranked by Forbes Magazine as the most vain city in America based on the number of plastic surgeons per 100,000 and their spending habits on cosmetics, which exceed that of cities of similar size.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/29/plastic-health-surgery-forbeslife-cx_rr_1129health_slide_2.html

Is there a connection?

Mormons do seem to smile all of the time.....
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2012, 12:43:08 PM »

My ex-stepmother was Mormon for a short period. Though she doesn't like to talk about it, from what I remember women also wear the magic underwear. So they're gay too, I guess?

I don't know...I find their possible sexuality much less disturbing than their theology, but maybe that's just me. What other cult has the pull that they have? Last I heard, the Moonies could not expect to run a viable presidential candidate.
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2012, 12:45:13 PM »

Interesting.  I had heard from a different source that Atlanta had moved to number 1. Maybe they gave it a short run at the top and have recently moved back down.
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2012, 01:03:25 PM »

Is that not surprising?

Several people have speculated that once gay marriage is legal, then polygamy will be legalized
The great minds of our times, no doubt.  Wink
No, lawyers, so that lessens the odds of great minds.  But yes, it's already in the works (dissident Mormons and Muslims take the ban on polygamy as a violation of the first ammendment).  Another-temporary marriage (that has already appeared in court.  If you can redefine the parties, why not the duration?).
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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2012, 01:06:04 PM »

I just watched the Gayest show on TV, Project Runway All Stars.
the gayest part is they take themselves seriously.
You lost me here.
you would think that they were performing life or death open heart surgery the way they carry on.  But then I can't quite grasp the concept of looking goofy being the essence of chic.
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« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2012, 07:39:41 PM »

No shock at all.  If the population of men and women is relatively equal, and men have multiple wives, then it stands to reason that there would be a number of back door boys along the way.
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If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.
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Sodomites? I think calling them human brings created in the image of God is more appropriate. Just my opinion.

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And the one who said in Isaiah that they were destroyed for their inhospitality.

He didn't get every gay person in the world. Funny how they're still here.
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And the one who said in Isaiah that they were destroyed for their inhospitality.

He didn't get every gay person in the world. Funny how they're still here.

Nope, just the ones threatening to sodomize Angels.  Not a good idea.
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« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2012, 09:36:42 PM »

If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.
Won't women also have the right to have multiple husbands? Undoubtedly there are some women (and men) out there who might find that acceptable. If I find any, I'll report on it  Wink.
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If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.
Won't women also have the right to have multiple husbands? Undoubtedly there are some women (and men) out there who might find that acceptable. If I find any, I'll report on it  Wink.

I am the only male in an office of 10 women. If anyone thinks polygamy is a good idea they should spend a week with me.
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If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.

Even when polygamy has been socially acceptable, it has never been common except among the richest of the rich.  It is incredibly expensive to support extra wives and an exponential number of children.  There are strong anthropological reasons why marriage ended up the way it has in almost every society.  Then again there are isolated cases of polyandry in Tibetan culture  Grin
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Is that not surprising?

Several people have speculated that once gay marriage is legal, then polygamy will be legalized, and Salt Lake City will rejoice that their polygamous religious ancestors like Joseph Smith have been vindicated.

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If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.
Won't women also have the right to have multiple husbands? Undoubtedly there are some women (and men) out there who might find that acceptable. If I find any, I'll report on it  Wink.

I am the only male in an office of 10 women. If anyone thinks polygamy is a good idea they should spend a week with me.

Yes, those that long for Polygamy have not fully understood what a woman needs after you are done with your three minutes of fun.  I have been married for 30 years to the same woman, and it is a full time job keeping just that one wife happy (or at best, not totally unhappy).  And to make matters worse, I married a VERY good woman who is not nearly as high maintenance as others that I have known.  The only way Polygamy works is if women are reduced to property status, and can be beaten or disposed of when they become too much to handle.  Obviously, this has no place in a Christian society. 
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If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.
Won't women also have the right to have multiple husbands? Undoubtedly there are some women (and men) out there who might find that acceptable. If I find any, I'll report on it  Wink.

I am the only male in an office of 10 women. If anyone thinks polygamy is a good idea they should spend a week with me.

Bravo to you!  Finally someone that knows the implications of having more than one wife.  For heaven's sake, two women can't even share a kitchen never-the-less a husband. laugh
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« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2012, 11:48:48 PM »

If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.
Won't women also have the right to have multiple husbands? Undoubtedly there are some women (and men) out there who might find that acceptable. If I find any, I'll report on it  Wink.

I am the only male in an office of 10 women. If anyone thinks polygamy is a good idea they should spend a week with me.

Bravo to you!  Finally someone that knows the implications of having more than one wife.  For heaven's sake, two women can't even share a kitchen never-the-less a husband. laugh
for what it is worth, muslim culture and literature abounds with the lessons of polygamy not working.
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If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.
the male-female couple exists for the same reason.
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« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2012, 01:33:44 AM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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It seems you're right. I have a number of actively homosexual friends in Boston, and they complain about how "conservative" Boston is, and they rave about Atlanta, considering it one of the great places for gays; I know several who have actually moved to there from here. It is true that Massachusetts, the state with the lowest divorce rate, is pretty uptight in general. Bathhouses are not allowed, and porn and sex shops are pretty thin on the ground. The gays have to go all the way out to the tip of Cape Cod at Provincetown in order to escape the "oppressive" atmosphere of Puritan Boston.

Not that I am complaining, I'm quite happy to avoid Provincetown on summer weekends. It's quite normal and pleasant other times of the year.
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If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.


I actually heard a Muslim Imam argue the very opposite. He said that women outnumber men, and therefore if you don't allow polygamy then it will contribute to adultery since women will find a way to be with a man in order to satisfy their biological urges. He made some compelling arguments that are difficult to argue with from a purely logical standpoint. However, our Faith is not predicated upon pure logic, which is what separates us from Muslims and others. Our Faith is not illogical, but it is not bound by the constraints of mortal reasoning. Muslims also believe that abortion is OK before "quickening." There is a logic to this, but it still contradicts apostolic Teaching. Let us be thankful for our Orthodox Faith, and let us argue for it the best we can. But let us also realize that what "makes the most sense" is not necessarily what is right and True.


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« Reply #60 on: May 12, 2012, 02:44:22 AM »

I had a professor who translated the Dead Sea Scrolls and noted Biblical scholar. He used to say, "Polygamy is Biblical principle and we should advocate for it. Would someone mind explaining this to my wife?"
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« Reply #61 on: May 12, 2012, 03:51:54 AM »

This was answered in an scintillating interview conducted by yours truly.

I don't have to look at the list.

It is Memphis, TN.

You really have no idea.

Schnuck's break room is the hot pocket of all gay activity there.
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« Reply #62 on: May 12, 2012, 04:08:31 AM »

I really thought Portland OR would have ranked higher. I am not surprised that Seattle is in the top 5 at all. We have a "gay district," gay pride parades and naked bicycle races!
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If we make polygamy legal, one guy will have many wives, leaving fewer wives for the next person. There will be a serious population imbalance in a hurry. This is one reason that polygamy isn't done in many countries. In the ones that do, they are already starting to feel the crunch. Make all the punchlines you want, but the two-person couple exists for a reason.


I actually heard a Muslim Imam argue the very opposite. He said that women outnumber men, and therefore if you don't allow polygamy then it will contribute to adultery since women will find a way to be with a man in order to satisfy their biological urges. He made some compelling arguments that are difficult to argue with from a purely logical standpoint. However, our Faith is not predicated upon pure logic, which is what separates us from Muslims and others. Our Faith is not illogical, but it is not bound by the constraints of mortal reasoning. Muslims also believe that abortion is OK before "quickening." There is a logic to this, but it still contradicts apostolic Teaching. Let us be thankful for our Orthodox Faith, and let us argue for it the best we can. But let us also realize that what "makes the most sense" is not necessarily what is right and True.


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Not all Muslims believe that abortion is acceptable until a particular point.  For instance, I can - off the top of my head - think of Shaykh Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl, who is generally more liberal than most Muslims (he's described himself as a Mu'tazilah, for those to whom that means anything), but yet has written a fatwa in which he says he can see no logical basis upon which to determine when a soul would be joined to the unborn child - if it isn't joined at conception - and consequently does not accept abortion as legitimate at any point in a pregnancy.  He is far from alone on this.
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Arizona is so boring; we never manage to be on any interesting lists...
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I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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Yes, it's indeed sad to see what that wonderful city has become. It was great when I was growing up there, but after the Olympics came everything went down hill very rapidly, just as I predicted. It's a completely different city now, and its former laid back Southern charm has been negated by the influx of crass yankees, and yes, the proliferation of sodomites.

(Since the title of this thread is blatantly politically incorrect, I feel no need to hold back here. Wink )


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It seems you're right. I have a number of actively homosexual friends in Boston, and they complain about how "conservative" Boston is, and they rave about Atlanta, considering it one of the great places for gays; I know several who have actually moved to there from here. It is true that Massachusetts, the state with the lowest divorce rate, is pretty uptight in general. Bathhouses are not allowed, and porn and sex shops are pretty thin on the ground. The gays have to go all the way out to the tip of Cape Cod at Provincetown in order to escape the "oppressive" atmosphere of Puritan Boston.

Not that I am complaining, I'm quite happy to avoid Provincetown on summer weekends. It's quite normal and pleasant other times of the year.

I wish Bath Houses were not sexualized. In Japan going to the neighborhood Bathhouse to wash up for the day and then have a nice hot soak and chat up your friends is a big part of their culture. I wish we had that here.
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They totally missed Santa Fe, NM.
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« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2012, 10:05:52 AM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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Yes, it's indeed sad to see what that wonderful city has become. It was great when I was growing up there, but after the Olympics came everything went down hill very rapidly, just as I predicted. It's a completely different city now, and its former laid back Southern charm has been negated by the influx of crass yankees, and yes, the proliferation of sodomites.

(Since the title of this thread is blatantly politically incorrect, I feel no need to hold back here. Wink )


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It seems you're right. I have a number of actively homosexual friends in Boston, and they complain about how "conservative" Boston is, and they rave about Atlanta, considering it one of the great places for gays; I know several who have actually moved to there from here. It is true that Massachusetts, the state with the lowest divorce rate, is pretty uptight in general. Bathhouses are not allowed, and porn and sex shops are pretty thin on the ground. The gays have to go all the way out to the tip of Cape Cod at Provincetown in order to escape the "oppressive" atmosphere of Puritan Boston.

Not that I am complaining, I'm quite happy to avoid Provincetown on summer weekends. It's quite normal and pleasant other times of the year.

I wish Bath Houses were not sexualized. In Japan going to the neighborhood Bathhouse to wash up for the day and then have a nice hot soak and chat up your friends is a big part of their culture. I wish we had that here.

That's gay!


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« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2012, 11:56:16 AM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
I've been to most of these cities, and lived a little more than an hour from SF for most of my life. SF is the gayest city in the United States, hands down. God help us if that's what we've got to look forward to from the homosexuality advocates: An America where every city looks like the Castro district. No thank you. (I don't mind SF on the whole, though. A bit too hip and expensive, but still a nice place to visit every so often.)

I think you just mean "open" however San Francisco has so many more charms than just that.  It is a bit expensive and feels very touristy in places, but it is one of the few urban downtowns I could see myself living in.  In regards to "gay" cities in the US, so what.  Big deal?  Let's just worry about ourselves, and practice the golden rule regarding others.  The way my priest explains it to me, Orthodox is about worrying about your own sins while assuming everybody else BUT ourselves is getting into the Kingdom (Luke 18:9-14)

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Fact Check: This ranking was made by a gay advocacy group for the sole purpose of advancing the notion that gays are everywhere and in much higher numbers than counted in the census. Here is a telling quote: ""If we were having a more scientific survey, I don't know that we would choose these as indicators," Valerie Larabee, director of the Utah Pride Center in Salt Lake City, told the Salt Lake Tribune."

Didn't anyone read the article or were y'all going off on the notion of FLC being gayer than SF?
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« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2012, 12:50:49 PM »

Well, one of their criteria was number of entrants in a national "leather" competition; that says all you need to know about this list as well as gay culture.

Even in staid Massachusetts, where we've had court-imposed gay marriage for 8 years, hardly any gays bother to tie the knot.
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« Reply #71 on: May 12, 2012, 01:38:41 PM »

Fact Check: This ranking was made by a gay advocacy group for the sole purpose of advancing the notion that gays are everywhere and in much higher numbers than counted in the census. Here is a telling quote: ""If we were having a more scientific survey, I don't know that we would choose these as indicators," Valerie Larabee, director of the Utah Pride Center in Salt Lake City, told the Salt Lake Tribune."

Didn't anyone read the article or were y'all going off on the notion of FLC being gayer than SF?
no, just playin' along. My views aren't going to change, even if they were everywhere (btw, I lived for years in "Boystown," with someone who might have been in the closet).
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« Reply #72 on: May 12, 2012, 01:39:53 PM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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Yes, it's indeed sad to see what that wonderful city has become. It was great when I was growing up there, but after the Olympics came everything went down hill very rapidly, just as I predicted. It's a completely different city now, and its former laid back Southern charm has been negated by the influx of crass yankees, and yes, the proliferation of sodomites.

(Since the title of this thread is blatantly politically incorrect, I feel no need to hold back here. Wink )


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It seems you're right. I have a number of actively homosexual friends in Boston, and they complain about how "conservative" Boston is, and they rave about Atlanta, considering it one of the great places for gays; I know several who have actually moved to there from here. It is true that Massachusetts, the state with the lowest divorce rate, is pretty uptight in general. Bathhouses are not allowed, and porn and sex shops are pretty thin on the ground. The gays have to go all the way out to the tip of Cape Cod at Provincetown in order to escape the "oppressive" atmosphere of Puritan Boston.

Not that I am complaining, I'm quite happy to avoid Provincetown on summer weekends. It's quite normal and pleasant other times of the year.

I wish Bath Houses were not sexualized. In Japan going to the neighborhood Bathhouse to wash up for the day and then have a nice hot soak and chat up your friends is a big part of their culture. I wish we had that here.

That's gay!


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« Reply #73 on: May 12, 2012, 01:53:20 PM »

Well, one of their criteria was number of entrants in a national "leather" competition; that says all you need to know about this list as well as gay culture.


Yes, but there people, even here on this forum, will be upset that you point this out. However, you are correct, and it is a sad reality.
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« Reply #74 on: May 12, 2012, 02:27:19 PM »

Well, one of their criteria was number of entrants in a national "leather" competition; that says all you need to know about this list as well as gay culture.


Yes, but there people, even here on this forum, will be upset that you point this out. However, you are correct, and it is a sad reality.
did they count heterosexual leather contests (are there such things?), to assess how much the cities in question are gay or just kinky?
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« Reply #75 on: May 12, 2012, 02:31:52 PM »

Well, one of their criteria was number of entrants in a national "leather" competition; that says all you need to know about this list as well as gay culture.


Yes, but there people, even here on this forum, will be upset that you point this out. However, you are correct, and it is a sad reality.
did they count heterosexual leather contests (are there such things?), to assess how much the cities in question are gay or just kinky?
Well, the kinky stuff seems to pervade gay culture. Have you ever been to the Castro district in San Francisco or Boy's Town in Chicago?
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« Reply #76 on: May 12, 2012, 02:53:40 PM »

Well, one of their criteria was number of entrants in a national "leather" competition; that says all you need to know about this list as well as gay culture.


Yes, but there people, even here on this forum, will be upset that you point this out. However, you are correct, and it is a sad reality.
did they count heterosexual leather contests (are there such things?), to assess how much the cities in question are gay or just kinky?
Well, the kinky stuff seems to pervade gay culture. Have you ever been to the Castro district in San Francisco
No, I had my sons with me in SF.  So I steered quite clear, not going near it even out of curiosity.

or Boy's Town in Chicago?
Fact Check: This ranking was made by a gay advocacy group for the sole purpose of advancing the notion that gays are everywhere and in much higher numbers than counted in the census. Here is a telling quote: ""If we were having a more scientific survey, I don't know that we would choose these as indicators," Valerie Larabee, director of the Utah Pride Center in Salt Lake City, told the Salt Lake Tribune."

Didn't anyone read the article or were y'all going off on the notion of FLC being gayer than SF?
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On a Saturday night really, there is no difference between what's going on on Halsted (gay) and Clark (straight). So, please, refine your prejudices.
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« Reply #78 on: May 12, 2012, 04:04:42 PM »

On a Saturday night really, there is no difference between what's going on on Halsted (gay) and Clark (straight). So, please, refine your prejudices.

You don't think Sodom is very much mainstream in the "gay community"?


Check out San Francisco's Folsom Street Fair, which draws 400,000 and is the third largest spectator event in California (after the Tournament of Roses and San Francisco Pride--the latter famous for its public street sex).

Do a google image search for the fair (make sure you have safe search disabled or you may have no results).

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I wonder if couples like the Peters twins should be allowed to get “married”?

http://www.salon.com/2010/05/21/twincest/

While the concept of twin performers is not new to the gay porn world, the Peters twins are notable both because of the extent of their popularity and the things they are willing to do with each other on camera. They French kiss; they perform oral sex on each other; they have anal sex; and most shockingly of all, they do it in a tender and romantic way.

“My brother is my boyfriend, and I am his boyfriend,” says one of the twins during a phone call from Prague (Elijah and Milo sound so much alike on the phone it is impossible to tell which one is speaking). “He is my lifeblood, and he is my only love.”

The twins’ astonishing lack of shame — and their willingness to do anything with each other on camera — has helped turn them into a gay porn phenomenon. Since they first began appearing on Czech porn studio Bel Ami’s website in 2009, the company’s traffic has doubled to 1.5 million users per month, and Milo and Elijah have become the subject of breathless coverage on adult blogging sites like Fleshbot and The Sword. They’ve even been flown from Prague to the United States for a whirlwind tour of Florida gay nightspots. But their surprising popularity raises some disturbing questions: Who are these twins? What keeps so many people watching them? And what, exactly, are viewers getting off on?


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A study to be released next month is offering a rare glimpse inside gay relationships and reveals that monogamy is not a central feature for many. Some gay men and lesbians argue that, as a result, they have stronger, longer-lasting and more honest relationships. And while that may sound counterintuitive, some experts say boundary-challenging gay relationships represent an evolution in marriage — one that might point the way for the survival of the institution.

New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.

That consent is key. “With straight people, it’s called affairs or cheating,” said Colleen Hoff, the study’s principal investigator, “but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations.”

The study also found open gay couples just as happy in their relationships as pairs in sexually exclusive unions, Dr. Hoff said. A different study, published in 1985, concluded that open gay relationships actually lasted longer.

None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html


Just a representative sample.


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« Reply #79 on: May 12, 2012, 04:11:31 PM »

On a Saturday night really, there is no difference between what's going on on Halsted (gay) and Clark (straight). So, please, refine your prejudices.

You don't think Sodom is very much mainstream in the "gay community"?


Check out San Francisco's Folsom Street Fair, which draws 400,000 and is the third largest spectator event in California (after the Tournament of Roses and San Francisco Pride--the latter famous for its public street sex).

Do a google image search for the fair (make sure you have safe search disabled or you may have no results).

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I wonder if couples like the Peters twins should be allowed to get “married”?

http://www.salon.com/2010/05/21/twincest/

While the concept of twin performers is not new to the gay porn world, the Peters twins are notable both because of the extent of their popularity and the things they are willing to do with each other on camera. They French kiss; they perform oral sex on each other; they have anal sex; and most shockingly of all, they do it in a tender and romantic way.

“My brother is my boyfriend, and I am his boyfriend,” says one of the twins during a phone call from Prague (Elijah and Milo sound so much alike on the phone it is impossible to tell which one is speaking). “He is my lifeblood, and he is my only love.”

The twins’ astonishing lack of shame — and their willingness to do anything with each other on camera — has helped turn them into a gay porn phenomenon. Since they first began appearing on Czech porn studio Bel Ami’s website in 2009, the company’s traffic has doubled to 1.5 million users per month, and Milo and Elijah have become the subject of breathless coverage on adult blogging sites like Fleshbot and The Sword. They’ve even been flown from Prague to the United States for a whirlwind tour of Florida gay nightspots. But their surprising popularity raises some disturbing questions: Who are these twins? What keeps so many people watching them? And what, exactly, are viewers getting off on?


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A study to be released next month is offering a rare glimpse inside gay relationships and reveals that monogamy is not a central feature for many. Some gay men and lesbians argue that, as a result, they have stronger, longer-lasting and more honest relationships. And while that may sound counterintuitive, some experts say boundary-challenging gay relationships represent an evolution in marriage — one that might point the way for the survival of the institution.

New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.

That consent is key. “With straight people, it’s called affairs or cheating,” said Colleen Hoff, the study’s principal investigator, “but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations.”

The study also found open gay couples just as happy in their relationships as pairs in sexually exclusive unions, Dr. Hoff said. A different study, published in 1985, concluded that open gay relationships actually lasted longer.

None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html


Just a representative sample.




Are you trying to suggest that two incestuous celebrity porn star brothers are representative of the homosexual community worldwide?  Huh

The idea that any two people, let alone people this bizarre, are in any way a "representative sample" is downright hilarious to anyone with any understanding of statistics.
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« Reply #80 on: May 12, 2012, 04:12:18 PM »

On a Saturday night really, there is no difference between what's going on on Halsted (gay) and Clark (straight). So, please, refine your prejudices.
I condemn both, except that what happens on Clark might end in marriage but what happens on Halsted cannot. So, no prejudices to refine.
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« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2012, 04:16:04 PM »

On a Saturday night really, there is no difference between what's going on on Halsted (gay) and Clark (straight). So, please, refine your prejudices.

You don't think Sodom is very much mainstream in the "gay community"?


Check out San Francisco's Folsom Street Fair, which draws 400,000 and is the third largest spectator event in California (after the Tournament of Roses and San Francisco Pride--the latter famous for its public street sex).

Do a google image search for the fair (make sure you have safe search disabled or you may have no results).

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I wonder if couples like the Peters twins should be allowed to get “married”?

http://www.salon.com/2010/05/21/twincest/

While the concept of twin performers is not new to the gay porn world, the Peters twins are notable both because of the extent of their popularity and the things they are willing to do with each other on camera. They French kiss; they perform oral sex on each other; they have anal sex; and most shockingly of all, they do it in a tender and romantic way.

“My brother is my boyfriend, and I am his boyfriend,” says one of the twins during a phone call from Prague (Elijah and Milo sound so much alike on the phone it is impossible to tell which one is speaking). “He is my lifeblood, and he is my only love.”

The twins’ astonishing lack of shame — and their willingness to do anything with each other on camera — has helped turn them into a gay porn phenomenon. Since they first began appearing on Czech porn studio Bel Ami’s website in 2009, the company’s traffic has doubled to 1.5 million users per month, and Milo and Elijah have become the subject of breathless coverage on adult blogging sites like Fleshbot and The Sword. They’ve even been flown from Prague to the United States for a whirlwind tour of Florida gay nightspots. But their surprising popularity raises some disturbing questions: Who are these twins? What keeps so many people watching them? And what, exactly, are viewers getting off on?


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A study to be released next month is offering a rare glimpse inside gay relationships and reveals that monogamy is not a central feature for many. Some gay men and lesbians argue that, as a result, they have stronger, longer-lasting and more honest relationships. And while that may sound counterintuitive, some experts say boundary-challenging gay relationships represent an evolution in marriage — one that might point the way for the survival of the institution.

New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.

That consent is key. “With straight people, it’s called affairs or cheating,” said Colleen Hoff, the study’s principal investigator, “but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations.”

The study also found open gay couples just as happy in their relationships as pairs in sexually exclusive unions, Dr. Hoff said. A different study, published in 1985, concluded that open gay relationships actually lasted longer.

None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html


Just a representative sample.




Are you trying to suggest that two incestuous celebrity porn star brothers are representative of the homosexual community worldwide?  Huh

The idea that any two people, let alone people this bizarre, are in any way a "representative sample" is downright hilarious to anyone with any understanding of statistics.
I'd wager their are more of twins ilk among the homosexual community than among us straight folk.  I can't think of ANY celebrated brother-sister team (although I admit I wouldn't be interested).  Can you?
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« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2012, 04:26:50 PM »

On a Saturday night really, there is no difference between what's going on on Halsted (gay) and Clark (straight). So, please, refine your prejudices.

You don't think Sodom is very much mainstream in the "gay community"?


Check out San Francisco's Folsom Street Fair, which draws 400,000 and is the third largest spectator event in California (after the Tournament of Roses and San Francisco Pride--the latter famous for its public street sex).

Do a google image search for the fair (make sure you have safe search disabled or you may have no results).

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I wonder if couples like the Peters twins should be allowed to get “married”?

http://www.salon.com/2010/05/21/twincest/

While the concept of twin performers is not new to the gay porn world, the Peters twins are notable both because of the extent of their popularity and the things they are willing to do with each other on camera. They French kiss; they perform oral sex on each other; they have anal sex; and most shockingly of all, they do it in a tender and romantic way.

“My brother is my boyfriend, and I am his boyfriend,” says one of the twins during a phone call from Prague (Elijah and Milo sound so much alike on the phone it is impossible to tell which one is speaking). “He is my lifeblood, and he is my only love.”

The twins’ astonishing lack of shame — and their willingness to do anything with each other on camera — has helped turn them into a gay porn phenomenon. Since they first began appearing on Czech porn studio Bel Ami’s website in 2009, the company’s traffic has doubled to 1.5 million users per month, and Milo and Elijah have become the subject of breathless coverage on adult blogging sites like Fleshbot and The Sword. They’ve even been flown from Prague to the United States for a whirlwind tour of Florida gay nightspots. But their surprising popularity raises some disturbing questions: Who are these twins? What keeps so many people watching them? And what, exactly, are viewers getting off on?


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New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.

That consent is key. “With straight people, it’s called affairs or cheating,” said Colleen Hoff, the study’s principal investigator, “but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations.”

The study also found open gay couples just as happy in their relationships as pairs in sexually exclusive unions, Dr. Hoff said. A different study, published in 1985, concluded that open gay relationships actually lasted longer.

None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html


Just a representative sample.




Are you trying to suggest that two incestuous celebrity porn star brothers are representative of the homosexual community worldwide?  Huh

The idea that any two people, let alone people this bizarre, are in any way a "representative sample" is downright hilarious to anyone with any understanding of statistics.
I'd wager their are more of twins ilk among the homosexual community than among us straight folk.

*shrug*

And I'd wager they aren't.

  I can't think of ANY celebrated brother-sister team (although I admit I wouldn't be interested).  Can you?

Neither can I off the top of my head.  Roll Eyes

Do you honestly believe that if I went to Google and started wading through that kind of filth, I wouldn't be able to find an example? It isn't exactly news that the lure of the forbidden can be exciting. This is no different. It doesn't mean the partners Steve and John who live down the street from you desperately want to sex their own brothers any more than you your sister.
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« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2012, 04:31:41 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene. And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

Like I said, that's just a sample. The "gay community" is at the cutting edge of decadent perversion although the "straight" world is working hard to catch up.
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Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

Oh do grow up.  Roll Eyes

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene.

Well gee, so sorry I don't keep up with news in the world of gay pornography.  Undecided

And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Um, no, it would be the apotheosis of kin selection, and having sex with your own sex has nothing to do with narcissism.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

*shrug*

You haven't given me any reason to believe this yet.

Like I said, that's just a sample.

No, it isn't. A "sample" is when you randomly collect people from a population. For this to be a sample you'd have to have collected at least several dozen homosexual individuals from the community you are interested in looking at, at random. A handful of fetishist porn stars are about as far away from being a representative sample as you can get.

The "gay community" is at the cutting edge of decadent perversion although the "straight" world is working hard to catch up.

Ok.
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« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2012, 04:53:28 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene. And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

Like I said, that's just a sample. The "gay community" is at the cutting edge of decadent perversion although the "straight" world is working hard to catch up.
You are quite up to date on this stuff. Are you a seminarian?
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« Reply #86 on: May 12, 2012, 07:17:18 PM »

I'm from Atlanta, and I would have to say that I'd be very surprised if any other city in America today more closely resembles Sodom and Gomorrah than the ATL.


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Yes, it's indeed sad to see what that wonderful city has become. It was great when I was growing up there, but after the Olympics came everything went down hill very rapidly, just as I predicted. It's a completely different city now, and its former laid back Southern charm has been negated by the influx of crass yankees, and yes, the proliferation of sodomites.

(Since the title of this thread is blatantly politically incorrect, I feel no need to hold back here. Wink )


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It seems you're right. I have a number of actively homosexual friends in Boston, and they complain about how "conservative" Boston is, and they rave about Atlanta, considering it one of the great places for gays; I know several who have actually moved to there from here. It is true that Massachusetts, the state with the lowest divorce rate, is pretty uptight in general. Bathhouses are not allowed, and porn and sex shops are pretty thin on the ground. The gays have to go all the way out to the tip of Cape Cod at Provincetown in order to escape the "oppressive" atmosphere of Puritan Boston.

Not that I am complaining, I'm quite happy to avoid Provincetown on summer weekends. It's quite normal and pleasant other times of the year.

I wish Bath Houses were not sexualized. In Japan going to the neighborhood Bathhouse to wash up for the day and then have a nice hot soak and chat up your friends is a big part of their culture. I wish we had that here.

That's gay!


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« Reply #87 on: May 12, 2012, 07:20:23 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene. And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

Like I said, that's just a sample. The "gay community" is at the cutting edge of decadent perversion although the "straight" world is working hard to catch up.
You are quite up to date on this stuff. Are you a seminarian?

LOL
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« Reply #88 on: May 12, 2012, 10:48:50 PM »

Fact Check: This ranking was made by a gay advocacy group for the sole purpose of advancing the notion that gays are everywhere and in much higher numbers than counted in the census. Here is a telling quote: ""If we were having a more scientific survey, I don't know that we would choose these as indicators," Valerie Larabee, director of the Utah Pride Center in Salt Lake City, told the Salt Lake Tribune."

Didn't anyone read the article or were y'all going off on the notion of FLC being gayer than SF?
no, just playin' along. My views aren't going to change, even if they were everywhere (btw, I lived for years in "Boystown," with someone who might have been in the closet).

Boystown has such low rents, it's ridiculous. The only thing separating me from Boystown the two years I had a studio of my own was about two blocks. Not a bad area of town, though not somewhere I would want to walk through to get to work early in the morning (which I have)- I'm not prepared to live up to unrealistic expectations (you know, "down there") brought about by store mannequins until at least my third cup of coffee and quite possibly second or third beer.
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« Reply #89 on: May 12, 2012, 10:55:55 PM »

I want to go back to the days when we could not discuss this topic on this forum.  Tongue
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« Reply #90 on: May 12, 2012, 10:57:13 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene. And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

Like I said, that's just a sample. The "gay community" is at the cutting edge of decadent perversion although the "straight" world is working hard to catch up.
You are quite up to date on this stuff. Are you a seminarian?

Confession for everyone who laughed at this when you read it!
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« Reply #91 on: May 12, 2012, 11:45:09 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene. And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

Like I said, that's just a sample. The "gay community" is at the cutting edge of decadent perversion although the "straight" world is working hard to catch up.
You are quite up to date on this stuff. Are you a seminarian?
I'm even going to nominate this for post of the month.
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« Reply #92 on: May 12, 2012, 11:52:32 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

Oh do grow up.  Roll Eyes

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene.

Well gee, so sorry I don't keep up with news in the world of gay pornography.  Undecided

And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Um, no, it would be the apotheosis of kin selection, and having sex with your own sex has nothing to do with narcissism.
I think Lubeltri was getting to the idea of having sex with your clone, which a twin is a natural.  Assuming they are identical twins: I've never heard of them before.  And would have been quite fine if it stayed that way.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

*shrug*

You haven't given me any reason to believe this yet.

Like I said, that's just a sample.

No, it isn't. A "sample" is when you randomly collect people from a population. For this to be a sample you'd have to have collected at least several dozen homosexual individuals from the community you are interested in looking at, at random. A handful of fetishist porn stars are about as far away from being a representative sample as you can get.
depends on what you mean by sample:a sampling of gay communities across the country or a sampling of what they do.

As for representative, if this is the public face they put on as a community, well, there you are.

Not every Muslim is like Usamah bin Ladini, but until the Muslims police their own better, that's the image they're stuck with.

The "gay community" is at the cutting edge of decadent perversion although the "straight" world is working hard to catch up.

Ok.
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« Reply #93 on: May 12, 2012, 11:57:20 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene. And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

Like I said, that's just a sample. The "gay community" is at the cutting edge of decadent perversion although the "straight" world is working hard to catch up.
You are quite up to date on this stuff. Are you a seminarian?

Confession for everyone who laughed at this when you read it!
Wait, laughed at which? Augistin's quip, or your rejoinder? I'm confused, and just got out of confession a few hours ago! Should I abstain from the Eucharist tomorrow if I laughed at yours? In which case, Father, please stop posting funny replies to confession-worthy funny replies.
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« Reply #94 on: May 13, 2012, 12:18:52 AM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

Oh do grow up.  Roll Eyes

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene.

Well gee, so sorry I don't keep up with news in the world of gay pornography.  Undecided

And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Um, no, it would be the apotheosis of kin selection, and having sex with your own sex has nothing to do with narcissism.
I think Lubeltri was getting to the idea of having sex with your clone, which a twin is a natural.  Assuming they are identical twins: I've never heard of them before.  And would have been quite fine if it stayed that way.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

*shrug*

You haven't given me any reason to believe this yet.

Like I said, that's just a sample.

No, it isn't. A "sample" is when you randomly collect people from a population. For this to be a sample you'd have to have collected at least several dozen homosexual individuals from the community you are interested in looking at, at random. A handful of fetishist porn stars are about as far away from being a representative sample as you can get.
depends on what you mean by sample:a sampling of gay communities across the country or a sampling of what they do.

As for representative, if this is the public face they put on as a community, well, there you are.

Not every Muslim is like Usamah bin Ladini, but until the Muslims police their own better, that's the image they're stuck with.

So I guess that both Brother Nathaniel and Archbishop Lazar are both the public face, and representative, of Orthodoxy?  And I suppose that Quran-burning pastor in Florida is the public face, and representative, of Protestantism?  And Scott Roeder is the public face, and representative, of anti-abortion activists?
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« Reply #95 on: May 13, 2012, 09:31:46 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

Oh do grow up.  Roll Eyes

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene.

Well gee, so sorry I don't keep up with news in the world of gay pornography.  Undecided

And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Um, no, it would be the apotheosis of kin selection, and having sex with your own sex has nothing to do with narcissism.
I think Lubeltri was getting to the idea of having sex with your clone, which a twin is a natural.  Assuming they are identical twins: I've never heard of them before.  And would have been quite fine if it stayed that way.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

*shrug*

You haven't given me any reason to believe this yet.

Like I said, that's just a sample.

No, it isn't. A "sample" is when you randomly collect people from a population. For this to be a sample you'd have to have collected at least several dozen homosexual individuals from the community you are interested in looking at, at random. A handful of fetishist porn stars are about as far away from being a representative sample as you can get.
depends on what you mean by sample:a sampling of gay communities across the country or a sampling of what they do.

As for representative, if this is the public face they put on as a community, well, there you are.

Not every Muslim is like Usamah bin Ladini, but until the Muslims police their own better, that's the image they're stuck with.

So I guess that both Brother Nathaniel and Archbishop Lazar are both the public face, and representative, of Orthodoxy?  And I suppose that Quran-burning pastor in Florida is the public face, and representative, of Protestantism?  And Scott Roeder is the public face, and representative, of anti-abortion activists?

Do I need to repeat my point? These types of things I cited are not disavowed by most gays. I'm not saying "twincest" is common among gays, I'm saying that identical twins who have sex with each other are mainstream celebrities in the "gay community". The two San Francisco public gay sex exhibitions are 2 of the 3 most popular spectator events in all of California, with hundreds of thousands of spectators, perhaps even a million for SF Pride. Monogamy is not normative in long-term gay relationships, and few same-sex marriages take place in places where it is legal. I could cite more examples.

 This stuff is mainstream. The comparison to Osama bin Laden is silly, since he wasn't mainstream in the Muslim world.

The idea that homosexual activists want to ape bourgeois practices like monogamous marriage and kids and all that is a political strategy, not a reality. Up until the 1990s, the "LGBT" movement wanted nothing to do with such "heteronormative" stuff, focusing instead on a general sexual "liberation".  "Gay culture" is as soaked in sex as a Christmas pudding is soaked in brandy---particularly gay male culture. Not that the wider culture isn't trying its hardest to catch up.

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I think Lubeltri was getting to the idea of having sex with your clone, which a twin is a natural.  Assuming they are identical twins: I've never heard of them before.  And would have been quite fine if it stayed that way.

Yes, they're identical. Good thing you aren't a regular reader of Salon. They did a piece on this last year---the one photo they showed of the twins was more than enough for me.

 I wouldn't risk a Google image search, even with the strictest safesearch filter.
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« Reply #98 on: May 13, 2012, 10:04:08 PM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

Oh do grow up.  Roll Eyes

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene.

Well gee, so sorry I don't keep up with news in the world of gay pornography.  Undecided

And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Um, no, it would be the apotheosis of kin selection, and having sex with your own sex has nothing to do with narcissism.
I think Lubeltri was getting to the idea of having sex with your clone, which a twin is a natural.  Assuming they are identical twins: I've never heard of them before.  And would have been quite fine if it stayed that way.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

*shrug*

You haven't given me any reason to believe this yet.

Like I said, that's just a sample.

No, it isn't. A "sample" is when you randomly collect people from a population. For this to be a sample you'd have to have collected at least several dozen homosexual individuals from the community you are interested in looking at, at random. A handful of fetishist porn stars are about as far away from being a representative sample as you can get.
depends on what you mean by sample:a sampling of gay communities across the country or a sampling of what they do.

As for representative, if this is the public face they put on as a community, well, there you are.

Not every Muslim is like Usamah bin Ladini, but until the Muslims police their own better, that's the image they're stuck with.

So I guess that both Brother Nathaniel and Archbishop Lazar are both the public face, and representative, of Orthodoxy?  And I suppose that Quran-burning pastor in Florida is the public face, and representative, of Protestantism?  And Scott Roeder is the public face, and representative, of anti-abortion activists?
Who, who, (see below) and who?

Ptr. (?) Terry Jones.  Hard to tell.  The Protestants in Germany ejected him, and Great Britain (officially Protestant) banned him from entry.  But then, who speaks for Protestantism, where every man is his supreme pontiff.
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« Reply #99 on: May 15, 2012, 04:27:21 AM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

Oh do grow up.  Roll Eyes

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene.

Well gee, so sorry I don't keep up with news in the world of gay pornography.  Undecided

And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Um, no, it would be the apotheosis of kin selection, and having sex with your own sex has nothing to do with narcissism.
I think Lubeltri was getting to the idea of having sex with your clone, which a twin is a natural.  Assuming they are identical twins: I've never heard of them before.  And would have been quite fine if it stayed that way.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

*shrug*

You haven't given me any reason to believe this yet.

Like I said, that's just a sample.

No, it isn't. A "sample" is when you randomly collect people from a population. For this to be a sample you'd have to have collected at least several dozen homosexual individuals from the community you are interested in looking at, at random. A handful of fetishist porn stars are about as far away from being a representative sample as you can get.
depends on what you mean by sample:a sampling of gay communities across the country or a sampling of what they do.

As for representative, if this is the public face they put on as a community, well, there you are.

Not every Muslim is like Usamah bin Ladini, but until the Muslims police their own better, that's the image they're stuck with.

So I guess that both Brother Nathaniel and Archbishop Lazar are both the public face, and representative, of Orthodoxy?  And I suppose that Quran-burning pastor in Florida is the public face, and representative, of Protestantism?  And Scott Roeder is the public face, and representative, of anti-abortion activists?
Who, who, (see below) and who?

Ptr. (?) Terry Jones.  Hard to tell.  The Protestants in Germany ejected him, and Great Britain (officially Protestant) banned him from entry.  But then, who speaks for Protestantism, where every man is his supreme pontiff.

In Sunni Islam, there are, like in Protestantism, no officials with any authority, and so unless Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell represent Protestantism, bin Laden does not represent Sunni Islam.
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« Reply #100 on: May 15, 2012, 08:21:58 AM »

Of course he missed my point. Reading comprehension?

Oh do grow up.  Roll Eyes

If you noticed the phrases I bolded, I was pointing out that the Peters twins (who are not the only "twincest" stars; there are even some triplet porn stars) are very popular celebrities in the "gay community", enough to double an already very popular porn site's traffic and to be paraded about in South Florida's gay scene.

Well gee, so sorry I don't keep up with news in the world of gay pornography.  Undecided

And why wouldn't they be popular? Having sex with yourself is the apotheosis of narcissism, even more than having sex with a member your own sex.

Um, no, it would be the apotheosis of kin selection, and having sex with your own sex has nothing to do with narcissism.
I think Lubeltri was getting to the idea of having sex with your clone, which a twin is a natural.  Assuming they are identical twins: I've never heard of them before.  And would have been quite fine if it stayed that way.

Is it not strange to you that 2 of the 3 biggest spectator events in California are public exhibitions of gay sex in all its fetish varieties?

*shrug*

You haven't given me any reason to believe this yet.

Like I said, that's just a sample.

No, it isn't. A "sample" is when you randomly collect people from a population. For this to be a sample you'd have to have collected at least several dozen homosexual individuals from the community you are interested in looking at, at random. A handful of fetishist porn stars are about as far away from being a representative sample as you can get.
depends on what you mean by sample:a sampling of gay communities across the country or a sampling of what they do.

As for representative, if this is the public face they put on as a community, well, there you are.

Not every Muslim is like Usamah bin Ladini, but until the Muslims police their own better, that's the image they're stuck with.

So I guess that both Brother Nathaniel and Archbishop Lazar are both the public face, and representative, of Orthodoxy?  And I suppose that Quran-burning pastor in Florida is the public face, and representative, of Protestantism?  And Scott Roeder is the public face, and representative, of anti-abortion activists?
Who, who, (see below) and who?

Ptr. (?) Terry Jones.  Hard to tell.  The Protestants in Germany ejected him, and Great Britain (officially Protestant) banned him from entry.  But then, who speaks for Protestantism, where every man is his supreme pontiff.

In Sunni Islam, there are, like in Protestantism, no officials with any authority, and so unless Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell represent Protestantism, bin Laden does not represent Sunni Islam.
Not exactly.  The Sunni's still issue ijazahs (like a law decree from an accredited law school:the ulama', the clerics of Islam, are actually lawyers, not priests.  Like the rabbis in Judaism), which have to be recognized by the respective madhdhabs. Very few, if any, repudiated Bin Laden.  I know lots of Protestants who repudiate Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.  Although I'm quite fine with Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell representing Protestantism, so I don't know your problem with that.
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There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.
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« Reply #102 on: May 15, 2012, 10:19:23 AM »

BTW, I have known those who have come out of the "gay life style" descirbe the gay world as "pornographic".
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« Reply #103 on: May 15, 2012, 10:26:23 AM »

Looks like the gayest city in the USA is now Washington, DC.

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« Reply #104 on: May 15, 2012, 12:38:48 PM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.
You seem to give an unhealthy amount of thought to gay "depravity". Is it the manualist tradition of the Latin Church that's to blame, which, I hear, used to be rather explicit?
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« Reply #105 on: May 15, 2012, 12:58:54 PM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.
You seem to give an unhealthy amount of thought to gay "depravity". Is it the manualist tradition of the Latin Church that's to blame, which, I hear, used to be rather explicit?
No, just observation of the reality. I suggest you take a walk through the Castro district in SF or Boys town in Chicago. You will that my points are clearly justified. You may not like where the evidence leads, but it is what it is.
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« Reply #106 on: May 15, 2012, 01:00:46 PM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.
You seem to give an unhealthy amount of thought to gay "depravity". Is it the manualist tradition of the Latin Church that's to blame, which, I hear, used to be rather explicit?
No, just observation of the reality. I suggest you take a walk through the Castro district in SF or Boys town in Chicago. You will that my points are clearly justified. You may not like where the evidence leads, but it is what it is.
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« Reply #107 on: May 15, 2012, 01:01:52 PM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.
You seem to give an unhealthy amount of thought to gay "depravity". Is it the manualist tradition of the Latin Church that's to blame, which, I hear, used to be rather explicit?
No, just observation of the reality. I suggest you take a walk through the Castro district in SF or Boys town in Chicago. You will that my points are clearly justified. You may not like where the evidence leads, but it is what it is.
Well I live in boystown. What about it?
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There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.
You seem to give an unhealthy amount of thought to gay "depravity". Is it the manualist tradition of the Latin Church that's to blame, which, I hear, used to be rather explicit?
No, just observation of the reality. I suggest you take a walk through the Castro district in SF or Boys town in Chicago. You will that my points are clearly justified. You may not like where the evidence leads, but it is what it is.
Well I live in boystown. What about it?
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There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.
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« Reply #110 on: May 15, 2012, 09:12:19 PM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.
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« Reply #111 on: May 15, 2012, 11:05:14 PM »

Looks like the gayest city in the USA is now Washington, DC.




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Obama looks stately and regal even with that ostentatious color wheel above his head. That's what I call grace (or is it just, dare I say, fabulous?)
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« Reply #113 on: May 15, 2012, 11:56:43 PM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.

But Papist has clearly suggested all through this thread that the vast majority of gay people are perverse sexual deviants; I think he is quite incorrect.  In fact, the gay people I know are no more "hypersexualised" than the straight people I know.  The only sense in which they belong to a "gay subculture" is that they are attracted to men, instead of to women, whereas the straight men I know are attracted to women, instead of men.  I think that most people in this thread are way overplaying the idea of some commonality between homosexuals, aside from that which is required to be homosexual.
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« Reply #114 on: May 16, 2012, 12:24:26 AM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.

But Papist has clearly suggested all through this thread that the vast majority of gay people are perverse sexual deviants; I think he is quite incorrect.  In fact, the gay people I know are no more "hypersexualised" than the straight people I know.  The only sense in which they belong to a "gay subculture" is that they are attracted to men, instead of to women, whereas the straight men I know are attracted to women, instead of men.  I think that most people in this thread are way overplaying the idea of some commonality between homosexuals, aside from that which is required to be homosexual.


Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.


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« Reply #115 on: May 16, 2012, 12:28:12 AM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.

But Papist has clearly suggested all through this thread that the vast majority of gay people are perverse sexual deviants; I think he is quite incorrect.  In fact, the gay people I know are no more "hypersexualised" than the straight people I know.  The only sense in which they belong to a "gay subculture" is that they are attracted to men, instead of to women, whereas the straight men I know are attracted to women, instead of men.  I think that most people in this thread are way overplaying the idea of some commonality between homosexuals, aside from that which is required to be homosexual.

Yes, to be fair, I was responding to the quoted words somewhat out of their context.
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« Reply #116 on: May 16, 2012, 12:30:31 AM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.

But Papist has clearly suggested all through this thread that the vast majority of gay people are perverse sexual deviants; I think he is quite incorrect.  In fact, the gay people I know are no more "hypersexualised" than the straight people I know.  The only sense in which they belong to a "gay subculture" is that they are attracted to men, instead of to women, whereas the straight men I know are attracted to women, instead of men.  I think that most people in this thread are way overplaying the idea of some commonality between homosexuals, aside from that which is required to be homosexual.


Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.


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« Reply #117 on: May 16, 2012, 12:34:52 AM »

Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.

Generally there isn't a need for "heterosexual pride" parades in America, England, etc., considering that heterosexuals weren't imprisoned, beat up, castrated, etc. for their sexual orientation as little as a generation or two ago. But if you want to see heterosexuals putting on displays of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity (it's only semi-public, because they'd be arrested otherwise, because they go much further, and do things that would be considered assault, even though all participants participate by choice), I would be more than happy to show you an annual event here in PA like that.
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« Reply #118 on: May 16, 2012, 12:57:42 AM »

Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.

Generally there isn't a need for "heterosexual pride" parades in America, England, etc., considering that heterosexuals weren't imprisoned, beat up, castrated, etc. for their sexual orientation as little as a generation or two ago. But if you want to see heterosexuals putting on displays of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity (it's only semi-public, because they'd be arrested otherwise, because they go much further, and do things that would be considered assault, even though all participants participate by choice), I would be more than happy to show you an annual event here in PA like that.


Sexual depravity is everywhere, and homosesxuals certainly do not have a monopoly on it. However, this concerted effort by the homosexual community to portray themselves victims of genocidal discrimination equal to what African Americans, Native Americans, and Jews have endured is something that I will never buy into. Heterosexuals have been victims of hatred and abuse every bit as much as heterosexuals have, and for reasons that have nothing to do with a personal lifestyle choice.


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Does your "Mystery and Meaning"  book explain  the mystery and meaning of what a "personal lifestyle choice" is? I wanna be sure before I order it.
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Ok, well let's start with this then. Would you agree that homosexuality used to be an offense punishable by death? Has heterosexuality ever had that problem?  Also, would you agree that, even in recent centuries in the west (up through the 20th century) homosexuality was something you could go to jail for? Has heterosexuality ever had that issue? (If you aren't sure, consider the case of Turing as a start).
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« Reply #121 on: May 16, 2012, 01:18:42 AM »

Does your "Mystery and Meaning"  book explain  the mystery and meaning of what a "personal lifestyle choice" is? I wanna be sure before I order it.


I don't really discuss homosexuality. I have bigger fish to fry. I accept the teachings of the Church about sexuality, and my own sinful lusts are enough for me to focus on. However, I will chime in with my opinion on threads like this, FWIW. Just to try to keep things honest and balanced.

We can debate all day long about whether or not homosexuality is a choice. I really don't know. But I will call BS on the efforts to force us to believe that it is not a choice, and that heterosexual proclivity is no more volitional than the color of one's skin which with they are born.


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« Reply #122 on: May 16, 2012, 01:21:48 AM »

Ok, well let's start with this then. Would you agree that homosexuality used to be an offense punishable by death? Has heterosexuality ever had that problem?  Also, would you agree that, even in recent centuries in the west (up through the 20th century) homosexuality was something you could go to jail for? Has heterosexuality ever had that issue? (If you aren't sure, consider the case of Turing as a start).


I'm sure you can educate me about the history of homosexual persecution. But to answer your question, yes, many heterosexuals have been executed for adultery, sexually deviant behavior, etc.


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« Reply #123 on: May 16, 2012, 01:25:45 AM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.

But Papist has clearly suggested all through this thread that the vast majority of gay people are perverse sexual deviants; I think he is quite incorrect.  In fact, the gay people I know are no more "hypersexualised" than the straight people I know.  The only sense in which they belong to a "gay subculture" is that they are attracted to men, instead of to women, whereas the straight men I know are attracted to women, instead of men.  I think that most people in this thread are way overplaying the idea of some commonality between homosexuals, aside from that which is required to be homosexual.


Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.


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How about I show you some heterosexual persons I know who are quite depraved, instead?  How about I show you any number of clubs for swingers, straight swingers?  Will that suffice you?
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« Reply #124 on: May 16, 2012, 08:55:32 AM »

Obama looks stately and regal even with that ostentatious color wheel above his head. That's what I call grace (or is it just, dare I say, fabulous?)
That's what we call spin.
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« Reply #125 on: May 16, 2012, 08:56:36 AM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.

But Papist has clearly suggested all through this thread that the vast majority of gay people are perverse sexual deviants; I think he is quite incorrect.  In fact, the gay people I know are no more "hypersexualised" than the straight people I know.  The only sense in which they belong to a "gay subculture" is that they are attracted to men, instead of to women, whereas the straight men I know are attracted to women, instead of men.  I think that most people in this thread are way overplaying the idea of some commonality between homosexuals, aside from that which is required to be homosexual.


Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.


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« Reply #126 on: May 16, 2012, 08:58:01 AM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.

But Papist has clearly suggested all through this thread that the vast majority of gay people are perverse sexual deviants; I think he is quite incorrect.  In fact, the gay people I know are no more "hypersexualised" than the straight people I know.  The only sense in which they belong to a "gay subculture" is that they are attracted to men, instead of to women, whereas the straight men I know are attracted to women, instead of men.  I think that most people in this thread are way overplaying the idea of some commonality between homosexuals, aside from that which is required to be homosexual.


Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.


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There is a very fun one in Berlin, afaik.
As far as you know?  You happen to know any details.

Missed that when I was there.  Ich bin Berliner.
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Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.

Generally there isn't a need for "heterosexual pride" parades in America, England, etc., considering that heterosexuals weren't imprisoned, beat up, castrated, etc. for their sexual orientation as little as a generation or two ago. But if you want to see heterosexuals putting on displays of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity (it's only semi-public, because they'd be arrested otherwise, because they go much further, and do things that would be considered assault, even though all participants participate by choice), I would be more than happy to show you an annual event here in PA like that.
Oh?  What would you show us? Shocked
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« Reply #128 on: May 16, 2012, 09:01:21 AM »

Ok, well let's start with this then. Would you agree that homosexuality used to be an offense punishable by death? Has heterosexuality ever had that problem?  Also, would you agree that, even in recent centuries in the west (up through the 20th century) homosexuality was something you could go to jail for? Has heterosexuality ever had that issue? (If you aren't sure, consider the case of Turing as a start).
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« Reply #129 on: May 16, 2012, 09:47:15 AM »

Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.

Generally there isn't a need for "heterosexual pride" parades in America, England, etc., considering that heterosexuals weren't imprisoned, beat up, castrated, etc. for their sexual orientation as little as a generation or two ago. But if you want to see heterosexuals putting on displays of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity (it's only semi-public, because they'd be arrested otherwise, because they go much further, and do things that would be considered assault, even though all participants participate by choice), I would be more than happy to show you an annual event here in PA like that.


Sexual depravity is everywhere, and homosesxuals certainly do not have a monopoly on it. However, this concerted effort by the homosexual community to portray themselves victims of genocidal discrimination equal to what African Americans, Native Americans, and Jews have endured is something that I will never buy into. Heterosexuals have been victims of hatred and abuse every bit as much as heterosexuals have, and for reasons that have nothing to do with a personal lifestyle choice.


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What is this "homosexual community" that can engage in a "concerted effort" to do anything?  When were the elections they held for their leaders, or do they have a King and Queen who pass on their title to an adopted child?  How do gays join?  Do they receive a membership card when they come out, or do they have to apply? 

Seriously though, there is no more a "homosexual community" than there is a "heterosexual community."
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« Reply #130 on: May 16, 2012, 09:47:15 AM »

Does your "Mystery and Meaning"  book explain  the mystery and meaning of what a "personal lifestyle choice" is? I wanna be sure before I order it.


I don't really discuss homosexuality. I have bigger fish to fry. I accept the teachings of the Church about sexuality, and my own sinful lusts are enough for me to focus on. However, I will chime in with my opinion on threads like this, FWIW. Just to try to keep things honest and balanced.

We can debate all day long about whether or not homosexuality is a choice. I really don't know. But I will call BS on the efforts to force us to believe that it is not a choice, and that heterosexual proclivity is no more volitional than the color of one's skin which with they are born.


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« Reply #131 on: May 16, 2012, 10:01:31 AM »

There is a very large "gay pride" parade in Albuquerque every year. Let me tell you, they are not out parading gay doctors, lawyers, parents, or responsible citizens. They parade nearly naked men, the leather community, etc. The gay community is soaked in sexuality. While one might argue that straight men and women are increasingly sexualizing life (which is true), they do not reach the degree of gay men. For gay men, everything is sexualized and everything is an opportunity for eroticisms of the most depraved nature.

And Catholics are all Pope worshipers...ex-Catholics will testify to this.

I think it's clear as day that the "gay subculture" is hypersexualised and certainly not straight-laced (in my opinion, it is also rather vacuous).

To observe such is not to say anything about particular homosexuals, "practising" or otherwise.
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« Reply #133 on: May 16, 2012, 10:06:52 AM »

Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.

Generally there isn't a need for "heterosexual pride" parades in America, England, etc., considering that heterosexuals weren't imprisoned, beat up, castrated, etc. for their sexual orientation as little as a generation or two ago. But if you want to see heterosexuals putting on displays of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity (it's only semi-public, because they'd be arrested otherwise, because they go much further, and do things that would be considered assault, even though all participants participate by choice), I would be more than happy to show you an annual event here in PA like that.


Sexual depravity is everywhere, and homosesxuals certainly do not have a monopoly on it. However, this concerted effort by the homosexual community to portray themselves victims of genocidal discrimination equal to what African Americans, Native Americans, and Jews have endured is something that I will never buy into. Heterosexuals have been victims of hatred and abuse every bit as much as heterosexuals have, and for reasons that have nothing to do with a personal lifestyle choice.


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What is this "homosexual community" that can engage in a "concerted effort" to do anything?  When were the elections they held for their leaders, or do they have a King and Queen who pass on their title to an adopted child?  How do gays join?  Do they receive a membership card when they come out, or do they have to apply? 

Seriously though, there is no more a "homosexual community" than there is a "heterosexual community."
There is a heterosexual community.  We call it normal society.  That is why disruption of it, say, as in no fault divorce, affects the whole.

As for the homosexual community, some branches:
http://www.nambla.org/
http://www.facebook.com/gaypridecommunity
http://www.democrats.org/issues/civil_rights
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« Reply #134 on: May 16, 2012, 10:08:53 AM »

Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.

Generally there isn't a need for "heterosexual pride" parades in America, England, etc., considering that heterosexuals weren't imprisoned, beat up, castrated, etc. for their sexual orientation as little as a generation or two ago. But if you want to see heterosexuals putting on displays of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity (it's only semi-public, because they'd be arrested otherwise, because they go much further, and do things that would be considered assault, even though all participants participate by choice), I would be more than happy to show you an annual event here in PA like that.


Sexual depravity is everywhere, and homosesxuals certainly do not have a monopoly on it. However, this concerted effort by the homosexual community to portray themselves victims of genocidal discrimination equal to what African Americans, Native Americans, and Jews have endured is something that I will never buy into. Heterosexuals have been victims of hatred and abuse every bit as much as heterosexuals have, and for reasons that have nothing to do with a personal lifestyle choice.


Selam

What is this "homosexual community" that can engage in a "concerted effort" to do anything?  When were the elections they held for their leaders, or do they have a King and Queen who pass on their title to an adopted child?  How do gays join?  Do they receive a membership card when they come out, or do they have to apply? 

Seriously though, there is no more a "homosexual community" than there is a "heterosexual community."
There is a heterosexual community.  We call it normal society.  That is why disruption of it, say, as in no fault divorce, affects the whole.

As for the homosexual community, some branches:
http://www.nambla.org/
http://www.facebook.com/gaypridecommunity
http://www.democrats.org/issues/civil_rights
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« Reply #135 on: May 16, 2012, 12:58:17 PM »

Show me a "heterosexual pride" parade that rivals the public display of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity that is rampant in the typical "gay pride" parade.

Generally there isn't a need for "heterosexual pride" parades in America, England, etc., considering that heterosexuals weren't imprisoned, beat up, castrated, etc. for their sexual orientation as little as a generation or two ago. But if you want to see heterosexuals putting on displays of depravity, nudity, and open sexual activity (it's only semi-public, because they'd be arrested otherwise, because they go much further, and do things that would be considered assault, even though all participants participate by choice), I would be more than happy to show you an annual event here in PA like that.


Sexual depravity is everywhere, and homosesxuals certainly do not have a monopoly on it. However, this concerted effort by the homosexual community to portray themselves victims of genocidal discrimination equal to what African Americans, Native Americans, and Jews have endured is something that I will never buy into. Heterosexuals have been victims of hatred and abuse every bit as much as heterosexuals have, and for reasons that have nothing to do with a personal lifestyle choice.


Selam

What is this "homosexual community" that can engage in a "concerted effort" to do anything?  When were the elections they held for their leaders, or do they have a King and Queen who pass on their title to an adopted child?  How do gays join?  Do they receive a membership card when they come out, or do they have to apply? 

Seriously though, there is no more a "homosexual community" than there is a "heterosexual community."
There is a heterosexual community.  We call it normal society.  That is why disruption of it, say, as in no fault divorce, affects the whole.

As for the homosexual community, some branches:
http://www.nambla.org/
http://www.facebook.com/gaypridecommunity
http://www.democrats.org/issues/civil_rights
It always scares me when I agree with Izzy.

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« Reply #136 on: May 17, 2012, 12:47:31 AM »

If those are branches of the gay community, I guess the sex club down the street is a branch of the heterosexual community.
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« Reply #137 on: May 17, 2012, 07:35:10 PM »

If those are branches of the gay community, I guess the sex club down the street is a branch of the heterosexual community.
depends on what type of sex club.
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