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« on: December 28, 2011, 10:51:33 PM »

Here's one way to end the Old vs. New Calendar debate: Introduce yet a 3rd!  laugh

"...a Johns Hopkins University astronomer wants to replace the Gregorian calendar, with its leap years and floating dates and 15th-century effluvia, with a sleek and standardized system for the world. According to Richard Conn Henry’s calendar, eight months would each have 30 days. Every third month would have 31 days. Every so often, to account for the leftover time, a whole extra week would be added. The upshot: Years would proceed with clockwork regularity, with no annual re-jiggering of schedules required."

Source: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/rational-calendar/
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 10:57:06 PM »

Another interesting follow-up article:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13940%3Cbr%20/%3E

"What will it take to produce regular dates and times throughout Russia and the rest of the world? Nothing but the will to do so. With regard to the regularization of times and dates, Russia has the most to gain, particularly when it comes to time."
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 11:12:55 PM »

I don't want regularity, every day every year would be on the same day, nothing changes.  Sounds like scientific streamlining and efficiency that just doesn't apply to the disorganisation and excitement of life.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 11:19:25 PM »

Intriguing idea, especially to bridge the old-new calendar divide. I rather like the idea of observing Pascha precisely the Sunday after the full moon after the Vernal Equinox, and of having universal fixed dates for feasts that are based on God's natural law. Let Nativity fall on December 25th as close as possible to the Winter Solstice where it was fixed by the Church (BTW, solstice this year was December 22nd, three days off in the New Calendar and 16 days off in the New Calendar).
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2011, 04:01:05 AM »

(BTW, solstice this year was December 22nd, three days off in the New Calendar and 16 days off in the OLD Calendar).
Fixed that for you.

I presume you're referring to the commonly held presumption that the northern hemisphere's winter solstice is supposed to fall on the 21st of December annually.  It's not actually that simple (see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice to start).

But, more to the point, how does the difference between 21 December and 22 December suddenly become three days?  Admittedly, I'm only doing the maths in my head, but, every which way I try to figure it out, I keep coming to one day.  22 - 21 = 1.  22 - 21 does not equal  3.  Even the Old Calendar calculation comes to only 14 days "out of sync", rather than 16.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2011, 10:17:33 AM »

A new Calendar schism would rule. Seriously.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2011, 08:22:56 PM »

The reorganizing of the number of days in the months and the "leap year week" would be problematic for our commemorations. What I do like about this concept is that it does preserve the continuity of the seven day week, unlike other attempts I've seen to "modernize" the calendar.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2011, 09:05:17 PM »

(BTW, solstice this year was December 22nd, three days off in the New Calendar and 16 days off in the OLD Calendar).
Fixed that for you.

I presume you're referring to the commonly held presumption that the northern hemisphere's winter solstice is supposed to fall on the 21st of December annually.  It's not actually that simple (see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice to start).

But, more to the point, how does the difference between 21 December and 22 December suddenly become three days?  Admittedly, I'm only doing the maths in my head, but, every which way I try to figure it out, I keep coming to one day.  22 - 21 = 1.  22 - 21 does not equal  3.  Even the Old Calendar calculation comes to only 14 days "out of sync", rather than 16.
I think he's referring back to the reigns of Julius and Augustus Caesar, when the winter solstice fell on December 25 and the spring equinox fell on March 25.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2011, 11:53:30 PM »

(BTW, solstice this year was December 22nd, three days off in the New Calendar and 16 days off in the OLD Calendar).
Fixed that for you.

I presume you're referring to the commonly held presumption that the northern hemisphere's winter solstice is supposed to fall on the 21st of December annually.  It's not actually that simple (see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice to start).

But, more to the point, how does the difference between 21 December and 22 December suddenly become three days?  Admittedly, I'm only doing the maths in my head, but, every which way I try to figure it out, I keep coming to one day.  22 - 21 = 1.  22 - 21 does not equal  3.  Even the Old Calendar calculation comes to only 14 days "out of sync", rather than 16.
I think he's referring back to the reigns of Julius and Augustus Caesar, when the winter solstice fell on December 25 and the spring equinox fell on March 25.
Ooooh...  Okay.  I get it now.  Sorry!
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2011, 02:37:54 AM »

Here's one way to end the Old vs. New Calendar debate: Introduce yet a 3rd!  laugh

"...a Johns Hopkins University astronomer wants to replace the Gregorian calendar, with its leap years and floating dates and 15th-century effluvia, with a sleek and standardized system for the world. According to Richard Conn Henry’s calendar, eight months would each have 30 days. Every third month would have 31 days. Every so often, to account for the leftover time, a whole extra week would be added. The upshot: Years would proceed with clockwork regularity, with no annual re-jiggering of schedules required."

Source: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/rational-calendar/
It is called the Coptic Calendar (12 months 30 days, and 5 days in "the little month" at the end).
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2011, 03:47:15 AM »

Hmmm, sounds interesting. Gives me another reason to buy a calendar with puppies on it.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2011, 10:56:11 AM »

Here's one way to end the Old vs. New Calendar debate: Introduce yet a 3rd!  laugh

"...a Johns Hopkins University astronomer wants to replace the Gregorian calendar, with its leap years and floating dates and 15th-century effluvia, with a sleek and standardized system for the world. According to Richard Conn Henry’s calendar, eight months would each have 30 days. Every third month would have 31 days. Every so often, to account for the leftover time, a whole extra week would be added. The upshot: Years would proceed with clockwork regularity, with no annual re-jiggering of schedules required."

Source: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/rational-calendar/

It is called the Coptic Calendar (12 months 30 days, and 5 days in "the little month" at the end).

Coptic, really? As in pre-Christian Egyptian? It seems similar to the pre-Julian to me. But then, what do I know...
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