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« on: December 27, 2011, 08:16:59 PM »

Police cite 'Castle Doctrine' in decision against charges in Somerset bow shooting

A Somerset County man who fatally shot his wife's lover outside his home with a compound bow will not face criminal charges related to the October incident, authorities said this morning...
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 08:23:39 PM »

Over / under on which post when Punch responds affirmatively to the question: should we be allowed to own nuclear warheads as private citizens, if we are not Muslim?

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 08:27:30 PM »

I must be missing something. How is premeditation not involved here?  Huh
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 11:06:33 PM »

I can't tell what state this is. . .I know when I lived in Florida, they passed a law that if some one if 'feels' threatened in any way on their own property, they have the right to kill the assailant. 

There was a lot of thought going both ways on how this could be used in a court of law to take liberties in a very unwise direction. 

But I don't know if this is Florida, or not. 

I'm not sure that adultery should or could count as a threat to life and home.

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 11:11:25 PM »

I'm not sure that adultery should or could count as a threat to life and home.


It just seems very strange, quietmorning. A revenge killing, not self-defence.
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 11:13:40 PM »

I'm not sure that adultery should or could count as a threat to life and home.


It just seems very strange, quietmorning. A revenge killing, not self-defence.

I agree.  But to be fair, it wasn't too long ago in history that shooting a perp of the marriage bed was not only condoned but celebrated.  We have a strange history when it comes to defining the law.  (Not meaning that I don't absolutely agree with you, Riddikulus).
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 11:26:51 PM »

Fwiw the state is Pennsylvania
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 11:36:04 PM »

Fwiw the state is Pennsylvania

Thanks, Asteriktos!  Wow. . .I don't know the Pennsylvania culture very well - one of the few states I've never spent any real time in. 

Very strange action, though.
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 11:43:28 PM »

Police cite 'Castle Doctrine' in decision against charges in Somerset bow shooting

A Somerset County man who fatally shot his wife's lover outside his home with a compound bow will not face criminal charges related to the October incident, authorities said this morning...

I cannot condone killing him with a bow.  A nuclear warhead on the other hand . . .
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 12:46:48 AM »

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions w/o reading the article...the lover threatened to kill the husband.  He came to the house armed with a club.  I find it fitting that he was himself killed by a medieval weapon, but that is entirely beside the point.  The fact that the goblin was sleeping with the man's wife is also entirely incidental.

As a side note, I am not going to comment on the morality of this case, but I make a habit of not shedding tears for adulterers who end up having to answer to the Lord a bit earlier than expected.
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 12:54:24 AM »

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions w/o reading the article...the lover threatened to kill the husband.  He came to the house armed with a club.  I find it fitting that he was himself killed by a medieval weapon, but that is entirely beside the point.  The fact that the goblin was sleeping with the man's wife is also entirely incidental.

As a side note, I am not going to comment on the morality of this case, but I make a habit of not shedding tears for adulterers who end up having to answer to the Lord a bit earlier than expected.

Damn, I misread the thing. I thought the shooter had gone to the lover's house, and that he was the one making the threats.... duh  Embarrassed Should have had that cuppa sooner.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 12:57:41 AM »

^Just to add - thanks for pointing that out, vamrat!
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 01:56:06 AM »

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions w/o reading the article...the lover threatened to kill the husband.  He came to the house armed with a club.  I find it fitting that he was himself killed by a medieval weapon, but that is entirely beside the point.  The fact that the goblin was sleeping with the man's wife is also entirely incidental.

As a side note, I am not going to comment on the morality of this case, but I make a habit of not shedding tears for adulterers who end up having to answer to the Lord a bit earlier than expected.

Damn, I misread the thing. I thought the shooter had gone to the lover's house, and that he was the one making the threats.... duh  Embarrassed Should have had that cuppa sooner.

I'm not sure the coffee would have helped the fact that the article was poorly written (including a typo in the fifth paragraph).  I had to read it a couple times, I just thought that something sounded fishy.   Wink
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 02:21:20 AM »

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions w/o reading the article...the lover threatened to kill the husband.  He came to the house armed with a club.  I find it fitting that he was himself killed by a medieval weapon, but that is entirely beside the point.  The fact that the goblin was sleeping with the man's wife is also entirely incidental.

As a side note, I am not going to comment on the morality of this case, but I make a habit of not shedding tears for adulterers who end up having to answer to the Lord a bit earlier than expected.

Damn, I misread the thing. I thought the shooter had gone to the lover's house, and that he was the one making the threats.... duh  Embarrassed Should have had that cuppa sooner.

I'm not sure the coffee would have helped the fact that the article was poorly written (including a typo in the fifth paragraph).  I had to read it a couple times, I just thought that something sounded fishy.   Wink

Not entirely down to my stupidity, then!  laugh
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 12:22:58 PM »

Wow, yeah, I read the article and COMPLETELY missed that.  Thank you, vamrat, for clarifying.
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