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Offline Justin Kissel

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Doctrine of Self Defense
« on: December 27, 2011, 08:16:59 PM »
Police cite 'Castle Doctrine' in decision against charges in Somerset bow shooting

A Somerset County man who fatally shot his wife's lover outside his home with a compound bow will not face criminal charges related to the October incident, authorities said this morning...
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 08:23:39 PM »
Over / under on which post when Punch responds affirmatively to the question: should we be allowed to own nuclear warheads as private citizens, if we are not Muslim?

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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 08:27:30 PM »
I must be missing something. How is premeditation not involved here?  ???
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 11:06:33 PM »
I can't tell what state this is. . .I know when I lived in Florida, they passed a law that if some one if 'feels' threatened in any way on their own property, they have the right to kill the assailant. 

There was a lot of thought going both ways on how this could be used in a court of law to take liberties in a very unwise direction. 

But I don't know if this is Florida, or not. 

I'm not sure that adultery should or could count as a threat to life and home.

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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 11:11:25 PM »
I'm not sure that adultery should or could count as a threat to life and home.


It just seems very strange, quietmorning. A revenge killing, not self-defence.
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 11:13:40 PM »
I'm not sure that adultery should or could count as a threat to life and home.


It just seems very strange, quietmorning. A revenge killing, not self-defence.

I agree.  But to be fair, it wasn't too long ago in history that shooting a perp of the marriage bed was not only condoned but celebrated.  We have a strange history when it comes to defining the law.  (Not meaning that I don't absolutely agree with you, Riddikulus).
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 11:26:51 PM »
Fwiw the state is Pennsylvania
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 11:36:04 PM »
Fwiw the state is Pennsylvania

Thanks, Asteriktos!  Wow. . .I don't know the Pennsylvania culture very well - one of the few states I've never spent any real time in. 

Very strange action, though.
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 11:43:28 PM »
Police cite 'Castle Doctrine' in decision against charges in Somerset bow shooting

A Somerset County man who fatally shot his wife's lover outside his home with a compound bow will not face criminal charges related to the October incident, authorities said this morning...

I cannot condone killing him with a bow.  A nuclear warhead on the other hand . . .
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 12:46:48 AM »
Before anyone jumps to any conclusions w/o reading the article...the lover threatened to kill the husband.  He came to the house armed with a club.  I find it fitting that he was himself killed by a medieval weapon, but that is entirely beside the point.  The fact that the goblin was sleeping with the man's wife is also entirely incidental.

As a side note, I am not going to comment on the morality of this case, but I make a habit of not shedding tears for adulterers who end up having to answer to the Lord a bit earlier than expected.
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 12:54:24 AM »
Before anyone jumps to any conclusions w/o reading the article...the lover threatened to kill the husband.  He came to the house armed with a club.  I find it fitting that he was himself killed by a medieval weapon, but that is entirely beside the point.  The fact that the goblin was sleeping with the man's wife is also entirely incidental.

As a side note, I am not going to comment on the morality of this case, but I make a habit of not shedding tears for adulterers who end up having to answer to the Lord a bit earlier than expected.

Damn, I misread the thing. I thought the shooter had gone to the lover's house, and that he was the one making the threats.... duh  :-[ Should have had that cuppa sooner.
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 12:57:41 AM »
^Just to add - thanks for pointing that out, vamrat!
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 01:56:06 AM »
Before anyone jumps to any conclusions w/o reading the article...the lover threatened to kill the husband.  He came to the house armed with a club.  I find it fitting that he was himself killed by a medieval weapon, but that is entirely beside the point.  The fact that the goblin was sleeping with the man's wife is also entirely incidental.

As a side note, I am not going to comment on the morality of this case, but I make a habit of not shedding tears for adulterers who end up having to answer to the Lord a bit earlier than expected.

Damn, I misread the thing. I thought the shooter had gone to the lover's house, and that he was the one making the threats.... duh  :-[ Should have had that cuppa sooner.

I'm not sure the coffee would have helped the fact that the article was poorly written (including a typo in the fifth paragraph).  I had to read it a couple times, I just thought that something sounded fishy.   ;)
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 02:21:20 AM »
Before anyone jumps to any conclusions w/o reading the article...the lover threatened to kill the husband.  He came to the house armed with a club.  I find it fitting that he was himself killed by a medieval weapon, but that is entirely beside the point.  The fact that the goblin was sleeping with the man's wife is also entirely incidental.

As a side note, I am not going to comment on the morality of this case, but I make a habit of not shedding tears for adulterers who end up having to answer to the Lord a bit earlier than expected.

Damn, I misread the thing. I thought the shooter had gone to the lover's house, and that he was the one making the threats.... duh  :-[ Should have had that cuppa sooner.

I'm not sure the coffee would have helped the fact that the article was poorly written (including a typo in the fifth paragraph).  I had to read it a couple times, I just thought that something sounded fishy.   ;)

Not entirely down to my stupidity, then!  :laugh:
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Re: Doctrine of Self Defense
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 12:22:58 PM »
Wow, yeah, I read the article and COMPLETELY missed that.  Thank you, vamrat, for clarifying.
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