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Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« on: December 07, 2011, 10:08:40 PM »
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An 11-year-old denomination that has prided itself on its submission to majority-world leadership broke away from that leadership Monday. Amid a dispute over authority, bishops in the Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMIA) resigned from their positions in the Anglican Church of Rwanda.

More than a decade ago, the association of churches launched as an alternative to the Episcopal Church. In 2000, Emmanuel Kolini, the archbishop of Rwanda, and Moses Tay, the archbishop of Singapore, ordained two Americans—Charles Murphy and John Rogers Jr.—as missionary bishops to the United States. The maverick bishops' assignment: to promote orthodox teaching and practice in the wake of infighting among American church members over sexual ethics

Under the oversight of the Church of Rwanda, the South Carolina-based AMIA has grown to more than 150 congregations in the United States and Canada, with 100-plus additional church plants and mission endeavors in the works, AMIA spokeswoman Cynthia Brust said.
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As Conger sees it, AMIA has broken not just from the Rwandan church but also from the Anglican Communion.

"Everybody I've talked to is really sad," Conger said. "There's nobody going hip, hip, hurrah about this. A lot of people are just hoping against hope that some people" will let cooler heads prevail.

"The liberals in the Episcopal Church are having a field day," he added. "They're saying, 'They split once, and now they've split again. It must go to show that they are rebels at heart and not really motivated by any gospel imperative."

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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 10:33:39 PM »
Sad to see.  :(
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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2011, 04:19:07 AM »
A journalist from the Church of England Newspaper is hardly a neutral source.

The actual article suggests a very different situation to that of ego-driven schism which Conger wishes to paint.
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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2011, 08:45:56 AM »
A journalist from the Church of England Newspaper is hardly a neutral source.

The actual article suggests a very different situation to that of ego-driven schism which Conger wishes to paint.
More on Conger's role:

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Archbishop Rwaje communicated a series of concerns that included charges that AMIA failed to demonstrate financial transparency, of forcing the resignation of an AMIA bishop and abusive language by Murphy in a letter dated November 30. Bishop Murphy addressed those concerns in a personal letter to the Archbishop on December 5. You can read the full documents: http://www.theamia.org/am_cms_media/chm-letter-to-++rwaje-dec-5-2011.pdf and here:
http://www.theamia.org/am_cms_media/20111207162842477.pdf
 
"We received a letter from Archbishop Rwaje requesting a response within seven days delivered as an ultimatum which regrettably was leaked to George Conger before we could respond to Archbishop Rwaje's concerns," says Murphy.

"This was unfortunate in that it exacerbated the problems and forced an immediate decision and action in that Conger, who also received the letter when I did (on December 2), had within three days published his article in Anglican Ink, quoting the letter before I could respond to Archbishop Rwaje," Bishop Murphy told VOL. "We asked Mr. Conger to wait until the entire Council of Bishops had time to digest, pray and respond to Archbishop Rwaje before making an official statement. Regrettably the article was released anyway before our Council of Bishops could either meet or write a response to the Archbishop."

"I deeply regret having to take this action, but our hand was forced with the release of private letters and ultimatums before we could meet, act or continue our conversations about the proposed missionary society that had been scheduled to take place following Winter Conference 2012," Murphy explained.

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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 10:05:39 AM »
A journalist from the Church of England Newspaper is hardly a neutral source.

The actual article suggests a very different situation to that of ego-driven schism which Conger wishes to paint.
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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 10:24:24 AM »
A journalist from the Church of England Newspaper is hardly a neutral source.

The actual article suggests a very different situation to that of ego-driven schism which Conger wishes to paint.
Who is Conger?
From OP article:

"But the 2010 retirement of Kolini—who had a strong connection with Murphy, AMIA's chairman—has precipitated a nasty turn in the relationship between the American association and Rwanda's bishops, said George Conger, a Florida-based correspondent for The Church of England Newspaper in London."

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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2011, 03:56:17 AM »
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An 11-year-old denomination that has prided itself on its submission to majority-world leadership broke away from that leadership Monday. Amid a dispute over authority, bishops in the Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMIA) resigned from their positions in the Anglican Church of Rwanda.

More than a decade ago, the association of churches launched as an alternative to the Episcopal Church. In 2000, Emmanuel Kolini, the archbishop of Rwanda, and Moses Tay, the archbishop of Singapore, ordained two Americans—Charles Murphy and John Rogers Jr.—as missionary bishops to the United States. The maverick bishops' assignment: to promote orthodox teaching and practice in the wake of infighting among American church members over sexual ethics

Under the oversight of the Church of Rwanda, the South Carolina-based AMIA has grown to more than 150 congregations in the United States and Canada, with 100-plus additional church plants and mission endeavors in the works, AMIA spokeswoman Cynthia Brust said.
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As Conger sees it, AMIA has broken not just from the Rwandan church but also from the Anglican Communion.

"Everybody I've talked to is really sad," Conger said. "There's nobody going hip, hip, hurrah about this. A lot of people are just hoping against hope that some people" will let cooler heads prevail.

"The liberals in the Episcopal Church are having a field day," he added. "They're saying, 'They split once, and now they've split again. It must go to show that they are rebels at heart and not really motivated by any gospel imperative."



Sad to see but not surprising.

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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2011, 05:54:51 PM »
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An 11-year-old denomination that has prided itself on its submission to majority-world leadership broke away from that leadership Monday. Amid a dispute over authority, bishops in the Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMIA) resigned from their positions in the Anglican Church of Rwanda.

More than a decade ago, the association of churches launched as an alternative to the Episcopal Church. In 2000, Emmanuel Kolini, the archbishop of Rwanda, and Moses Tay, the archbishop of Singapore, ordained two Americans—Charles Murphy and John Rogers Jr.—as missionary bishops to the United States. The maverick bishops' assignment: to promote orthodox teaching and practice in the wake of infighting among American church members over sexual ethics

Under the oversight of the Church of Rwanda, the South Carolina-based AMIA has grown to more than 150 congregations in the United States and Canada, with 100-plus additional church plants and mission endeavors in the works, AMIA spokeswoman Cynthia Brust said.
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As Conger sees it, AMIA has broken not just from the Rwandan church but also from the Anglican Communion.

"Everybody I've talked to is really sad," Conger said. "There's nobody going hip, hip, hurrah about this. A lot of people are just hoping against hope that some people" will let cooler heads prevail.

"The liberals in the Episcopal Church are having a field day," he added. "They're saying, 'They split once, and now they've split again. It must go to show that they are rebels at heart and not really motivated by any gospel imperative."



Sad to see but not surprising.
What? Sad to see the yellow journalism?
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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2011, 10:13:07 PM »
A journalist from the Church of England Newspaper is hardly a neutral source.

The actual article suggests a very different situation to that of ego-driven schism which Conger wishes to paint.

Conger is generally considered to be a conservative source. I've tried not to pay too much attention to this dispute, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that Conger's analysis is that wide of the mark. However, if you have an alternative source of news, then present it.

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Re: Leaving Rwanda: Breakaway Anglicans Break Away Again
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2011, 06:53:43 PM »
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An 11-year-old denomination that has prided itself on its submission to majority-world leadership broke away from that leadership Monday. Amid a dispute over authority, bishops in the Anglican Mission in the Americas (AMIA) resigned from their positions in the Anglican Church of Rwanda.

More than a decade ago, the association of churches launched as an alternative to the Episcopal Church. In 2000, Emmanuel Kolini, the archbishop of Rwanda, and Moses Tay, the archbishop of Singapore, ordained two Americans—Charles Murphy and John Rogers Jr.—as missionary bishops to the United States. The maverick bishops' assignment: to promote orthodox teaching and practice in the wake of infighting among American church members over sexual ethics

Under the oversight of the Church of Rwanda, the South Carolina-based AMIA has grown to more than 150 congregations in the United States and Canada, with 100-plus additional church plants and mission endeavors in the works, AMIA spokeswoman Cynthia Brust said.
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As Conger sees it, AMIA has broken not just from the Rwandan church but also from the Anglican Communion.

"Everybody I've talked to is really sad," Conger said. "There's nobody going hip, hip, hurrah about this. A lot of people are just hoping against hope that some people" will let cooler heads prevail.

"The liberals in the Episcopal Church are having a field day," he added. "They're saying, 'They split once, and now they've split again. It must go to show that they are rebels at heart and not really motivated by any gospel imperative."



Sad to see but not surprising.
What? Sad to see the yellow journalism?

Here is a conservative take on the situation

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=15284#.Tv4_3NQS2Ag