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« Reply #225 on: April 12, 2012, 12:54:57 AM »


If you are looking for logic....you aren't going to find it here.

Tell me, by what logic did Christ change water into wine?

By what logic did 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, multiply to feed over 5,000 people, leaving behind 12 bushels of left overs?

God defies your understanding of logic.


Do you think God to be ilogical?

No.  God IS logical....but, we, mere humans, cannot understand His logic.
I would go one step further and say that God is utterly beyond logic.
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« Reply #226 on: April 12, 2012, 01:28:44 AM »


One of the things that we need to be careful of when saying these kinds of things is that God creates and interacts with His creation.  We speak of the 'laws of the universe' as they are unveiled over time.

Does Orthodoxy teach, did the Holy Fathers teach, that God may contradict Himself?  Do they deny such a thing as a divine logic that may be revealed to us?

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Is..?  Is revealed to the Church?

Also, does Orthodoxy deny that the existence and reality and some of the nature of God can be discerned through His Creation?

Sure, just take away that pesky word nature, which means different things to different people, and I think everybody could agree with that statement. When Gregory Palamas speaks of the divine energies, that's what he's getting at, that what is revealed to us of God in existence really is God (as opposed to the purely essential God of the pagans). Of course, you probably already know all of this. Smiley
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« Reply #227 on: April 12, 2012, 01:55:54 PM »


If you are looking for logic....you aren't going to find it here.

Tell me, by what logic did Christ change water into wine?

By what logic did 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, multiply to feed over 5,000 people, leaving behind 12 bushels of left overs?

God defies your understanding of logic.



Do you think God to be ilogical?

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« Reply #228 on: April 15, 2012, 11:39:54 AM »

Christ is risen!

No.

This is why it is called a Mystery!

Mystic Gifts.

Beyond our comprehension.

This is like trying to figure out "where" God came from, how He always existed....  It'll make your head explode!  

Some things are left to faith.


So, things that are seemingly contradictory are ok in Eastern Orthodoxy? Is that correct?
When we cannot reconcile the apparent contradiction, and we don't need to anyways, yes.
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« Reply #229 on: April 15, 2012, 11:44:34 AM »

Christ is risen!

One of the things that we need to be careful of when saying these kinds of things is that God creates and interacts with His creation.  We speak of the 'laws of the universe' as they are unveiled over time.

Does Orthodoxy teach, did the Holy Fathers teach, that God may contradict Himself?  Do they deny such a thing as a divine logic that may be revealed to us?

M.

Key word - "may".     May, at God's will be revealed to some of us.



Is..?  Is revealed to the Church?

Also, does Orthodoxy deny that the existence and reality and some of the nature of God can be discerned through His Creation?

Sure, just take away that pesky word nature, which means different things to different people, and I think everybody could agree with that statement. When Gregory Palamas speaks of the divine energies, that's what he's getting at, that what is revealed to us of God in existence really is God (as opposed to the purely essential God of the pagans). Of course, you probably already know all of this. Smiley
interesting how the pagans focus on God's essence, which they cannot reach by definition.  Schlastics are similarly focus, which makes them get to the forensic view of God's energies, which they divide up into all sorts of categories of grace.
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« Reply #230 on: August 03, 2012, 10:55:34 AM »

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Do EO's partake of the Body and Blood and also Bread and Wine?

Yes they do, - its called the mystical supper in the Liturgy of St. John Chrys...
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