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I always enjoyed Christopher Hitchens, as wrong as he was. He had a great sense of humor and was one of the few public figures who actually formulated his own opinions rather than following the status quo of any particular movement. A darling of the political left for decades, he alienated his liberal comrades with his wholehearted support of the war in Iraq. He explained his support for George Bush's wars by assessing them as a battle between secularism and theocracy, and in my opinion his assessment was spot on. Apparrently he maintained his atheistic convictions to his dying breath. May God have mercy on his soul. http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-hitchens-controversial-author-television-personality-dies/story?id=13214700Selam |
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2011, 04:07:01 AM » |
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This is the first I'm hearing of this.
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I agree with you Gebre, he was one of the greats; a true iconoclast in every way. His memoir, Hitch-22, was fantastic. He was battling cancer for quite some time & I hope somehow he found his peace with The Lord. Maybe instead of St. Peter at the pearly Gates, he'd be greeted by Mother Teresa. I jest.  Memory eternal. |
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He explained his support for George Bush's wars by assessing them as a battle between secularism and theocracy, and in my opinion his assessment was spot on.
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He explained his support for George Bush's wars by assessing them as a battle between secularism and theocracy, and in my opinion his assessment was spot on.
Eh? yes, utter nonsense: were it not for the theocracy of al-Sistani, Iraq would have devolved into utter chaos after the removal of the secularist Saddam. As to the OP, more appropriate to say "Lord have mercy!" than "Memory Eternal!" |
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As to the OP, more appropriate to say "Lord have mercy!" than "Memory Eternal!"
Yes, you're right. Was going change that, but I know he had a number of Christian friends and hoped his heart finally turned. Thanks for the correction. Indeed Lord, have mercy! |
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2011, 09:37:47 AM » |
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He explained his support for George Bush's wars by assessing them as a battle between secularism and theocracy, and in my opinion his assessment was spot on.
Eh? yes, utter nonsense: were it not for the theocracy of al-Sistani, Iraq would have devolved into utter chaos after the removal of the secularist Saddam. As to the OP, more appropriate to say "Lord have mercy!" than "Memory Eternal!" Actually, he was chrismated Orthodox so he could marry his first wife. It's not much, but it's something. If he did change his mind even just a little, he probably didn't say anything about it. |
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He explained his support for George Bush's wars by assessing them as a battle between secularism and theocracy, and in my opinion his assessment was spot on.
Eh? yes, utter nonsense: were it not for the theocracy of al-Sistani, Iraq would have devolved into utter chaos after the removal of the secularist Saddam. As to the OP, more appropriate to say "Lord have mercy!" than "Memory Eternal!" Notice the plural "wars." And yes, I did say "May God have mercy on his soul" in my OP rather than Memory Eternal. Selam |
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Well, isn't he surprised today!
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Actually, he was chrismated Orthodox so he could marry his first wife. It's not much, but it's something.
If he did change his mind even just a little, he probably didn't say anything about it.
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Having read Hitchens since his days at The Nation, I always liked the guy in an odd way.
He went nutz over the War in the Gulf stuff, but manned up to get watered boarded came down hard on using it as a tool for interrogation and said without a doubt it was torture.
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Although I strongly disagreed with his recent views on American foreign policy, I always enjoyed reading and listening to his stuff. God forgive him and give him rest.
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What a terrible way to learn how wrong you were.....Lord have mercy.
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I've encountered people who have told me that they identify as anti-theists and atheists because of him.
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He was Chrismated in the Orthodox Church to marry his first wife? Details, please. Anything you could add, period of time, location, his previous faith, who is (was) his wife?
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According to the wiki page on Hitch: Hitchens married Eleni Meleagrou, a Greek Cypriot, in 1981. They have two children, Alexander and Sophia. In 1989 Hitchens left Meleagrou for Carol Blue, an American writer.[34] They have one daughter, Antonia. And this article from New York Magazine has some thoughts from her on their relationship. |
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He was Chrismated in the Orthodox Church to marry his first wife? Details, please. Anything you could add, period of time, location, his previous faith, who is (was) his wife?
I think he was part of the Church of England. His brother, Peter, is also a writer and a Christian. I remember reading an article about a year ago about Peter's relationship with his famous atheist brother. modified to add:Here's the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255983/How-I-God-peace-atheist-brother-PETER-HITCHENS-traces-journey-Christianity.htmlWhile I was making my gradual, hesitant way back to the altar-rail, my brother Christopher's passion against God grew more virulent and confident.
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As a bit of a follow-up to my previous post. His brother has written this today: We both knew it was the last time we would see each other, though being Englishmen of a certain generation, neither of us would have dreamed of actually saying so. We parted on good terms, though our conversation had been (as had our e-mail correspondence for some months) cautious and confined to subjects that would not easily lead to conflict. In this I think we were a little like chess-players, working out many possible moves in advance, neither of us wanting any more quarrels of any kind. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2075133/Christopher-Hitchens-death-In-Memoriam-courageous-sibling-Peter-Hitchens.html#ixzz1gjLtsZqA |
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A tragic life. Lord have mercy.
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2011, 05:40:01 PM » |
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Well, isn't he surprised today!
He's dead...no more surprises. The computer that was his brain is rotting away and no longer capable of computation and thus no longer capable of realization, understanding, or surprise. It's the fate that awaits us all.  His intellect may be missed, but he knew that the hear and now is all there is to our existence, he lived life to its fullest, and he took no half measures, in the end that's all we can ask out of life. |
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Well, isn't he surprised today!
He's dead...no more surprises. The computer that was his brain is rotting away and no longer capable of computation and thus no longer capable of realization, understanding, or surprise. It's the fate that awaits us all. We'll see wont we? PP |
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Well, isn't he surprised today!
He's dead...no more surprises. The computer that was his brain is rotting away and no longer capable of computation and thus no longer capable of realization, understanding, or surprise. It's the fate that awaits us all. We'll see wont we? PP Probably not, since we'll no longer be capable of 'seeing' when the time comes. |
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Alright, take it outside, math boy...
May God have mercy on the soul of Mr. Hitchens, and on his grieving family. I lost my own mother to cancer 15 years ago. It is a horrible experience that no one should have to go through, no matter what their beliefs are.
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Whatever his fate, I suppose at least now he will have no objection to anyone praying for him.
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I very much enjoyed Christopher Hitchens' wit and humour. The world will be less interesting without him. His intellect may be missed, but he knew believed that the hear and now is all there is to our existence... Lord be merciful! |
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There goes a man whom I doubt even the Devil would dare to acuse as a coward and a hypocrit, the two acusations that will rightfuly be instore for me along with many other ones when its my turn to go and meet my maker.
+++Most merciful, loving and compassionate Lord Jesus Christ, our Savior and Redeemer, the multitude of your mercy is not appointed for the righteous but for those like me who are sinners, for the sin we have committed are more in number than the sand of the sea, and if you O LORD kept a record of sins, O lord, who could stand? But with you there is forgiveness, Have mercy on the work of your hands; For though he may have lost his faith in you, you have not lost your love for him. forgive all his transgressions and embrace his soul with your infinite Love, and welcome him to your Peace. For with you all things are possible Amen.+++
May the Lord comfort his family and his loved ones and give them peace. Lord have mercy!
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Is it just inferred that because she was Greek and they married that he was chrismated, or is there corroboration somewhere? I read the linked story and couldn't find anything.
Brilliant man, will be greatly missed. There was a well-done documentary film about Hitchens and evangelical pastor Douglas Wilson called "Collision" about the debate tour they did together. Highly recommended.
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He's dead...no more surprises. The computer that was his brain is rotting away and no longer capable of computation and thus no longer capable of realization, understanding, or surprise. It's the fate that awaits us all. His intellect may be missed, but he knew that the hear and now is all there is to our existence, he lived life to its fullest, and he took no half measures, in the end that's all we can ask out of life. What's with this "we" Kemosabe? That may be all that "you" ask out of life , but please leave "we" out of it.  |
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I respected that he had the integrity to debate his intellectual counterparts, such as William F. Buckley, unlike the Bill Maher's of the world who make a living by cowardly attacking straw men.
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I will NEVER understand Bill Maher's appeal. He is a joke. A horrible stand up. A worse B movie actor.
Why people think the guy is edgy, I will never know.
The TWO times he ever said something with a hint of edge, he cried crocodile tears afterward and gave a mea culpa.
Politically Incorrect my ([redacted comments about the rules governing the use language on the forum to suggest the word I was going to use]).
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Is it just inferred that because she was Greek and they married that he was chrismated, or is there corroboration somewhere? I read the linked story and couldn't find anything.
Brilliant man, will be greatly missed. There was a well-done documentary film about Hitchens and evangelical pastor Douglas Wilson called "Collision" about the debate tour they did together. Highly recommended.
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I'm going to stir the pot a bit.
For starters, I'm glad he's gone. He was a drunken, genocidal coward, a self-aggrandizing misogynistic idiot, a callous ends-justify-the-means imperialist, a neoconservative shill who eagerly abandoned his intellectual principles whenever they came into conflict with his all-pervasive hatred of Islam and Muslims, and a smirking, self-congratulatory sexist. The world is better off without men like him in it.
Hitchens, who conclusively proves, as if it needed more any more evidence in its favor, that Americans will assume intelligence on the part of anything with a British accent, given the ferver with which people accepted his self-righteous posturing as intelligent thought. He constantly celebrated the deaths of others and bad-mouthed the recently-deceased. He made a point of it. He argued that offense was a completely meaningless concept and only hurts robust discussion. Anyone getting pious over this is being self-serving as all gently caress.
And yet I haven't even delved into his atheist rhetoric which had the depth of a children's swimming pool. He constantly railed against religion without even the slightest comprehension on the basic tenets of each faith. Young impressionable atheists were ever so swept by his false grandeur of logic and reason. In fact Hitchens may be the single reason why atheism has a worse reputation. Him and Dawkins both were/are exceptionally rude about there not being a god to the point of being obnoxious about it.
Good riddance.
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Thank you Schultz, Reply No. 18, and Orual, Reply No. 35 for this information.
My memory has been refreshed. I think I initially came across this guy reading something years ago about the Turkish occupation of Cyprus. It was supporting of the Greek Cypriot position on this matter, and someone told me that Hitchens was either "Greek," or "Orthodox," I can't remember which. However, whenever I read any of his other material or heard him speak, particularly about religion, I figured I had been misinformed, the guy is certainly not Orthodox, and doesn't reveal anything that would lead me to believe he was Greek. But your information explains his Greek connection and why he could be mistaken for being Orthodox, and perhaps, in name only, he was when he was married to his first wife.
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2011, 09:00:05 AM » |
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Humanity is an army. Our MOtto should be, nobody and no one should be left behind.
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« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2011, 09:21:35 AM » |
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I'm going to stir the pot a bit.
For starters, I'm glad he's gone. He was a drunken, genocidal coward, a self-aggrandizing misogynistic idiot, a callous ends-justify-the-means imperialist, a neoconservative shill who eagerly abandoned his intellectual principles whenever they came into conflict with his all-pervasive hatred of Islam and Muslims, and a smirking, self-congratulatory sexist. The world is better off without men like him in it.
Hitchens, who conclusively proves, as if it needed more any more evidence in its favor, that Americans will assume intelligence on the part of anything with a British accent, given the ferver with which people accepted his self-righteous posturing as intelligent thought. He constantly celebrated the deaths of others and bad-mouthed the recently-deceased. He made a point of it. He argued that offense was a completely meaningless concept and only hurts robust discussion. Anyone getting pious over this is being self-serving as all gently caress.
And yet I haven't even delved into his atheist rhetoric which had the depth of a children's swimming pool. He constantly railed against religion without even the slightest comprehension on the basic tenets of each faith. Young impressionable atheists were ever so swept by his false grandeur of logic and reason. In fact Hitchens may be the single reason why atheism has a worse reputation. Him and Dawkins both were/are exceptionally rude about there not being a god to the point of being obnoxious about it.
Good riddance.
I'm glad you're here to show us how much better than God we can be by rejoicing in the death of some men but not all. |
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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2011, 09:44:17 AM » |
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*Edited  He constantly celebrated the deaths of others and bad-mouthed the recently-deceased. He made a point of it. Isn't this exactly what you are doing? |
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2011, 09:46:39 AM » |
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I will NEVER understand Bill Maher's appeal. He is a joke. A horrible stand up. A worse B movie actor.
Why people think the guy is edgy, I will never know.
The TWO times he ever said something with a hint of edge, he cried crocodile tears afterward and gave a mea culpa.
Politically Incorrect my ([redacted comments about the rules governing the use language on the forum to suggest the word I was going to use]).
God bless you. He's probably the most obnoxious man on television, and wholly incapable of wit. I can't remember a single thing he said that even made me crack a smile. |
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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2011, 10:48:54 AM » |
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I will NEVER understand Bill Maher's appeal. He is a joke. A horrible stand up. A worse B movie actor.
Why people think the guy is edgy, I will never know.
The TWO times he ever said something with a hint of edge, he cried crocodile tears afterward and gave a mea culpa.
Politically Incorrect my ([redacted comments about the rules governing the use language on the forum to suggest the word I was going to use]).
God bless you. He's probably the most obnoxious man on television, and wholly incapable of wit. I can't remember a single thing he said that even made me crack a smile. Well compliments will get you everywhere. Is this your formulation? Christianity is a polyglot with a Semitic heart and a Greek mind. |
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We cannot legislate morality by passing laws controlling firearms. The only evil we can combat lies within our hearts. We need stronger laws to protect the moral foundation of society against the evil of gay marriage. |
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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2011, 11:11:57 AM » |
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Is this your formulation?
Christianity is a polyglot with a Semitic heart and a Greek mind.
Could you tell from the way it didn't quite match the beauty and profundity of the quote above it? |
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2011, 11:38:18 AM » |
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I will NEVER understand Bill Maher's appeal. He is a joke. A horrible stand up. A worse B movie actor.
Why people think the guy is edgy, I will never know.
The TWO times he ever said something with a hint of edge, he cried crocodile tears afterward and gave a mea culpa.
Politically Incorrect my ([redacted comments about the rules governing the use language on the forum to suggest the word I was going to use]).
Agreed brother. Selam |
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