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« on: December 12, 2011, 09:42:48 PM »

The Impact of Vatican II

Before the Council
 we thought God spoke directly to the pope
 and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
 to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
 and, properly filtered, to us.

 After the Council
 we learned a new geometry.
 The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
 it was more like a circle,
 where we are all encouraged to have a voice.
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 09:45:29 PM »

Is this an original?  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 09:51:03 PM »

Is this an original?  Smiley
Yes, but not with me. The link is in the "The Impact of Vatican II" title.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 10:18:20 PM »

I looked at the site and almost threw up. Gross.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2011, 10:19:03 PM »

It did look a little swervy to me.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 10:24:40 PM »

The Impact of Vatican II

Before the Council
 we thought God spoke directly to the pope
 and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
 to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
 and, properly filtered, to us.

 After the Council
 we learned a new geometry.
 The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
 it was more like a circle,
 where we are all encouraged to have a voice.


"John Chuchman's reflection today is based on a talk Robert Blair Kaiser has given recently on the impact of Vatican II. As they conclude: The hierarchy is busy trying to convince everyone that Vatican II really did not change anything. Those of us who lived before Vatican II know otherwise".

http://www.catholica.com.au/gc3/jc2/059_jc_121211.php

This little article gives the impression that prior to Vatican II the Roman Catholic Church was a dour and joyless place.  But with Vatican II it was transplanted to the Land of Feel Good.

As a pre-Vatican II child I can say that this is a load of tosh!   laugh
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 11:58:37 PM »

I looked at the site and almost threw up. Gross.

I'm with you, Papist.

I, for one, would not drink the watered-down cordial this man is passing off as the faith once and for all delivered to the saints.
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 02:48:05 AM »

I've read the documents of Vatican Council II and nothing in it signifies this rediculous statement.  In fact, it reiterates the believes of the Church.  That's why when someone would tell me that "the Church no longer teaches that" I knew they were full of malarkey.  The problem was that so many people jumped on the Soul Train thinking it was bound to the Golden Gates.... but ended up leading them straight to...  I'm sure you get my point.  I don't mean that literally, just figuratively speaking.  It was amazing how many folks twisted the words of the Church into this "Spirit of VCII" quackery.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 12:04:00 PM »

He probably thinks the line breaks make it into "poetry."
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 12:35:10 PM »

He probably thinks the line breaks make it into "poetry."
Oh noetry!

I know lots of people like to jump on the VII-sucks train, and even I like to do so from time to time, but my anecdotal experience is that — while praise music and holding hands during mass are probably here to stay — Catholic people my age and younger who are even a little serious about their faith are fairly papicolist in their orientation, and the community-drum-circle-of-faith crowd are for the most part aging baby boomers whose influence in the church is waning.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 05:02:32 PM »

Father Hermann Pottmeyer pointed out, in his book, Towards a Papacy in Communion, that the spirit of the council must be faithful to the letter, and the letter of the council should be interpreted within the spirit of reform that the Fathers intended.

I think the point he was getting at was that there are groups on both sides that want to stress one while ignoring the other.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 05:05:34 PM »

The Impact of Vatican II

Before the Council
 we thought God spoke directly to the pope
 and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
 to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
 and, properly filtered, to us.

 After the Council
 we learned a new geometry.
 The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
 it was more like a circle,
 where we are all encouraged to have a voice.


"John Chuchman's reflection today is based on a talk Robert Blair Kaiser has given recently on the impact of Vatican II. As they conclude: The hierarchy is busy trying to convince everyone that Vatican II really did not change anything. Those of us who lived before Vatican II know otherwise".

http://www.catholica.com.au/gc3/jc2/059_jc_121211.php

This little article gives the impression that prior to Vatican II the Roman Catholic Church was a dour and joyless place.  But with Vatican II it was transplanted to the Land of Feel Good.

As a pre-Vatican II child I can say that this is a load of tosh!   laugh

Replacing reverence with balloons and dancing girls. What's not to feel wonderful about?
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 05:16:28 PM »

The Impact of Vatican II

Before the Council
 we thought God spoke directly to the pope
 and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
 to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
 and, properly filtered, to us.

 After the Council
 we learned a new geometry.
 The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
 it was more like a circle,
 where we are all encouraged to have a voice.


"John Chuchman's reflection today is based on a talk Robert Blair Kaiser has given recently on the impact of Vatican II. As they conclude: The hierarchy is busy trying to convince everyone that Vatican II really did not change anything. Those of us who lived before Vatican II know otherwise".

http://www.catholica.com.au/gc3/jc2/059_jc_121211.php

This little article gives the impression that prior to Vatican II the Roman Catholic Church was a dour and joyless place.  But with Vatican II it was transplanted to the Land of Feel Good.

As a pre-Vatican II child I can say that this is a load of tosh!   laugh

Replacing reverence with balloons and dancing girls. What's not to feel wonderful about?

Yes, but how widespread is it really?  More widespread than Antiochian altar girls?   laugh
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2012, 05:39:54 PM »

Antiochian altar girls?   laugh
Hey, when do these show up?

Is a shipment late to my parish?
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2012, 05:50:55 PM »

The Impact of Vatican II

Before the Council
 we thought God spoke directly to the pope
 and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
 to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
 and, properly filtered, to us.

 After the Council
 we learned a new geometry.
 The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
 it was more like a circle,
 where we are all encouraged to have a voice.


"John Chuchman's reflection today is based on a talk Robert Blair Kaiser has given recently on the impact of Vatican II. As they conclude: The hierarchy is busy trying to convince everyone that Vatican II really did not change anything. Those of us who lived before Vatican II know otherwise".

http://www.catholica.com.au/gc3/jc2/059_jc_121211.php

This little article gives the impression that prior to Vatican II the Roman Catholic Church was a dour and joyless place.  But with Vatican II it was transplanted to the Land of Feel Good.

As a pre-Vatican II child I can say that this is a load of tosh!   laugh

Replacing reverence with balloons and dancing girls. What's not to feel wonderful about?

Yes, but how widespread is it really?  More widespread than Antiochian altar girls?   laugh

Antiochian altar girls are a much greater anomaly than liturgical dancers in non-Orthodox churches.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2012, 08:04:06 PM »

Looks like some hippy smoking the bong wrote this.  It says to paraphrase
"before vat 2 making love was a sin if you didn't do it to make babies"  after v2 you can do that with your wife now and enjoy it even if you can't afford to have another baby you don't have to

BullCRAP, while almost every Catholic couple my age uses some form of birthcontrol, the church still says the business of the bedroom is procreation and that "God will provide" if you get pregnant and can't afford it. The only form of birth control they allow is NFP.
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