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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #540 on: November 19, 2012, 05:50:36 PM »
I was banned for a month on CAF for writing that the major problem most Evangelicals have with Roman Catholicism is "Mary, Mary and Mary".

Well, it is.

I just thanked the moderators in a private message for leading me to Orthodoxy and for their sincere efforts. And then I never returned.


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« Reply #541 on: November 19, 2012, 05:56:39 PM »
I was banned for a month on CAF for writing that the major problem most Evangelicals have with Roman Catholicism is "Mary, Mary and Mary".

Well, it is.

I just thanked the moderators in a private message for leading me to Orthodoxy and for their sincere efforts. And then I never returned.



I remember when I complained to one of the apologists via PM that one of the apologetics crossed the line.  It was someone asking about how Holy Water is used and asked if it is okay to drink Holy Water.  The apologist said it was superstitious for someone to do that, so I said that Eastern Catholics do that as part of our tradition.  Then I got this reply about yeah but they were explaining the RC tradition which is what the site was all about.  I said that is okay, but they can't call something superstitious if it is being practiced by someone they are in communion with even though it is not in their own tradition.

But you are right, that site has played a big part in leading me on the path to Orthodoxy ;)

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #542 on: November 19, 2012, 06:10:33 PM »
If your spiritual life is based upon what you read online, it's time to do some serious reevaluating.

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« Reply #543 on: November 19, 2012, 06:16:25 PM »
If your spiritual life is based upon what you read online, it's time to do some serious reevaluating.

It is not as simple as it may seem.  It's not just because we were offended by some Catholics online so we decided to leave the Church.

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #544 on: November 19, 2012, 06:44:42 PM »
I think the mod just doesn't want us Eastern Catholics telling Roman Catholics how good we have it  ;D

I mean, with Communion in both kinds and married Priests and kids under the age of reason receiving Chrismation (confirmation) and Communion, they might jump en masse from Roman Catholicism into Eastern Catholicism  ::) ::) ::)

I don't see any intrinsic reason that that wouldn't happen, but history strongly suggests that it won't.

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« Reply #545 on: November 19, 2012, 06:46:19 PM »
I think the mod just doesn't want us Eastern Catholics telling Roman Catholics how good we have it  ;D

I mean, with Communion in both kinds and married Priests and kids under the age of reason receiving Chrismation (confirmation) and Communion, they might jump en masse from Roman Catholicism into Eastern Catholicism  ::) ::) ::)

I don't see any intrinsic reason that that wouldn't happen, but history strongly suggests that it won't.

I wasn't expecting the game of checkers.

Which is why it boggles my mind why they are so sensitive about comments that try to catechize
Roman Catholics about Eastern Catholic practices.

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #546 on: November 19, 2012, 06:51:32 PM »
I remember when I complained to one of the apologists via PM that one of the apologetics crossed the line.  It was someone asking about how Holy Water is used and asked if it is okay to drink Holy Water.  The apologist said it was superstitious for someone to do that, so I said that Eastern Catholics do that as part of our tradition.  Then I got this reply about yeah but they were explaining the RC tradition which is what the site was all about.  I said that is okay, but they can't call something superstitious if it is being practiced by someone they are in communion with even though it is not in their own tradition.

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« Reply #547 on: November 19, 2012, 06:56:45 PM »
I remember when I complained to one of the apologists via PM that one of the apologetics crossed the line.  It was someone asking about how Holy Water is used and asked if it is okay to drink Holy Water.  The apologist said it was superstitious for someone to do that, so I said that Eastern Catholics do that as part of our tradition.  Then I got this reply about yeah but they were explaining the RC tradition which is what the site was all about.  I said that is okay, but they can't call something superstitious if it is being practiced by someone they are in communion with even though it is not in their own tradition.

Did anyone mention Lourdes?

Ooohhh, good point!

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« Reply #548 on: January 09, 2013, 01:44:02 PM »
heheheheh, I just got my "final warning"  ;D

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #549 on: January 09, 2013, 01:50:09 PM »
heheheheh, I just got my "final warning"  ;D
What happened now? I haven't been on in a few days.

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« Reply #550 on: January 09, 2013, 01:54:10 PM »
heheheheh, I just got my "final warning"  ;D
What happened now? I haven't been on in a few days.

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Paraphrasing here, but I am too anti-Pope  ;D

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« Reply #551 on: January 09, 2013, 02:06:43 PM »
heheheheh, I just got my "final warning"  ;D
What happened now? I haven't been on in a few days.

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Paraphrasing here, but I am too anti-Pope  ;D

Is that a sin now?????
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« Reply #552 on: January 09, 2013, 02:16:48 PM »
heheheheh, I just got my "final warning"  ;D
What happened now? I haven't been on in a few days.

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Paraphrasing here, but I am too anti-Pope  ;D

Is that a sin now?????

If you're Catholic and as per Pastor Aeternus, then yes.

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #553 on: January 09, 2013, 02:21:13 PM »
heheheheh, I just got my "final warning"  ;D
What happened now? I haven't been on in a few days.

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Paraphrasing here, but I am too anti-Pope  ;D

Does that mean that you are anti-Pope also, or that you are too much anti-Pope (whatever that means)? ;D
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #554 on: January 09, 2013, 02:34:55 PM »
I'm jealous; have never even gotten a warning. Why can't I get banned too??
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #555 on: January 09, 2013, 02:38:36 PM »
I'm jealous; have never even gotten a warning. Why can't I get banned too??

Because you are a reasonable person.

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #556 on: January 09, 2013, 02:38:44 PM »
I'm jealous; have never even gotten a warning. Why can't I get banned too??

I never got a warning either.
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« Reply #557 on: January 09, 2013, 02:40:01 PM »
I'm jealous; have never even gotten a warning. Why can't I get banned too??

I never got a warning either.

Snap.
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #558 on: January 09, 2013, 02:41:03 PM »
I'm jealous; have never even gotten a warning. Why can't I get banned too??

I'll bet if you came across as strongly pro-Orthodox and critical of the Catholic Church, especially using exclamation points and bolding your text, you'd make a pretty good start on it.  ;)

Or....you could just start a thread titled something like "Down With the Heretical Schismatic Papacy!!" in the Eastern Christianity forum.  That'd probably do it.  ;D
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #559 on: January 09, 2013, 02:56:16 PM »
Or....you could just start a thread titled something like "Down With the Heretical Schismatic Papacy!!" in the Eastern Christianity forum. 

I really need to start paying better attention over there.
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« Reply #560 on: January 09, 2013, 03:04:32 PM »
Or....you could just start a thread titled something like "Down With the Heretical Schismatic Papacy!!" in the Eastern Christianity forum. 

I really need to start paying better attention over there.

Why? :D
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #561 on: January 09, 2013, 03:23:25 PM »
I never got any warning.

Something about being "Orthodox Not in Communion with Rome" must have rattled some cage over there.

Banned within 3 minutes of the post.
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #562 on: January 09, 2013, 03:26:06 PM »
I never got any warning.

Something about being "Orthodox Not in Communion with Rome" must have rattled some cage over there.

Banned within 3 minutes of the post.

Bad boy!!!!  8)
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #563 on: January 09, 2013, 03:28:25 PM »
I never got any warning.

Something about being "Orthodox Not in Communion with Rome" must have rattled some cage over there.

Banned within 3 minutes of the post.

Bad boy!!!!  8)

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« Reply #564 on: January 09, 2013, 03:42:33 PM »
I have seen on Byzcath
http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/389390/1
that Mardukm has been censored, and his posts pulled, on CAF for issues he has debated (without problem IIRC) here.
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« Reply #565 on: January 09, 2013, 03:48:50 PM »
I'm jealous; have never even gotten a warning. Why can't I get banned too??

Because you are a reasonable person.

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« Reply #566 on: January 09, 2013, 03:51:59 PM »

Does that mean that you are anti-Pope also, or that you are too much anti-Pope (whatever that means)? ;D

LOL :p

I guess both! :D

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« Reply #567 on: January 09, 2013, 03:54:53 PM »
I have seen on Byzcath
http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/389390/1
that Mardukm has been censored, and his posts pulled, on CAF for issues he has debated (without problem IIRC) here.

I'm one of those he butted heads with and I don't think it is what he said that is the problem, but how he says it.  It is very much part of his reply routine to take a jab or two at someone personally while telling them they are wrong.  I've left threads that I debated with him because I am becoming too uncharitable or have already crossed that line and realized I should stop.

For the record, I have never reported him to the mods, but given that he ticks a lot of people off I am not surprised if a number did report him.

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« Reply #568 on: January 09, 2013, 04:26:26 PM »
Oh, I am suspended. LOL!!!


Your use of the word papist smacks of being confrontational, contemptuous, disparaging, inciteful, insulting, or taunting. You are suspended until May 9.

This is a final warning. The next time a moderator needs to send a notice for contemptuous behavior, you will be banned from further participation on the forums.



Those papists.

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #569 on: January 09, 2013, 04:35:28 PM »
So, it's almost "perp walk" time...
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #570 on: January 09, 2013, 04:36:29 PM »
Does Mardukm post on OC.net? For what it's worth, I actually preferred debate/discussion with him on CAF to some of the other, shall we say, more emotional posters.
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« Reply #571 on: January 09, 2013, 05:06:04 PM »
For people who used to be Catholic and are Orthodox now or are becoming Orthodox: Do you find it more difficult to express yourself on CAF outside of moderation, as well? Because I haven't been disciplined since September, but it seems like anything I post is taken as an attack on Rome, or somehow proving the Latins' point, or something like that. And increasingly it seems like I'll be making some point (or at least thinking that I am!) and the replies from my Catholic interlocutors are completely unrelated. I don't really even know what to do about that. I feel like I might as well be posting in wingdings font, for as well as my conversations go over there 99% of the time (except with one or two posters, who are generally too smart to get involved in these discussions).

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #572 on: January 09, 2013, 05:53:07 PM »
For people who used to be Catholic and are Orthodox now or are becoming Orthodox: Do you find it more difficult to express yourself on CAF outside of moderation, as well? Because I haven't been disciplined since September, but it seems like anything I post is taken as an attack on Rome, or somehow proving the Latins' point, or something like that. And increasingly it seems like I'll be making some point (or at least thinking that I am!) and the replies from my Catholic interlocutors are completely unrelated. I don't really even know what to do about that. I feel like I might as well be posting in wingdings font, for as well as my conversations go over there 99% of the time (except with one or two posters, who are generally too smart to get involved in these discussions).

Not at all. Again, the OC.net obsession with that darn CAF and thinking they're all of a sudden supposed to agree with you. "All of you RCCers are wrong. Wait, why don't you like me?"

It's their board. Don't worry about it.

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« Reply #573 on: January 09, 2013, 06:01:39 PM »
For people who used to be Catholic and are Orthodox now or are becoming Orthodox: Do you find it more difficult to express yourself on CAF outside of moderation, as well? Because I haven't been disciplined since September, but it seems like anything I post is taken as an attack on Rome, or somehow proving the Latins' point, or something like that. And increasingly it seems like I'll be making some point (or at least thinking that I am!) and the replies from my Catholic interlocutors are completely unrelated. I don't really even know what to do about that. I feel like I might as well be posting in wingdings font, for as well as my conversations go over there 99% of the time (except with one or two posters, who are generally too smart to get involved in these discussions).

Yes.  I have been questioning the Papacy since at least Summer.  And then only now when I changed my "religion" on CAF to "OCA catechumen" I suddenly get suspended for 5 months.  I have not changed my tone from where it was 5 months ago.  I guess this falls into that "PC" mentality, that it is okay to disparge a certain group if you belong to that group, but if you are not part of that group then you are racist, hateful, bigotted, etc.

I've also had other CAF posters suddenly come down very hard on me the moment I updated "religion".  And I reminded them that it is not about me being negative about Catholicism because I am leaving it, I have been talking that way for a while now even when I was fully a Catholic.

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« Reply #574 on: January 09, 2013, 06:02:27 PM »
For people who used to be Catholic and are Orthodox now or are becoming Orthodox: Do you find it more difficult to express yourself on CAF outside of moderation, as well? Because I haven't been disciplined since September, but it seems like anything I post is taken as an attack on Rome, or somehow proving the Latins' point, or something like that. And increasingly it seems like I'll be making some point (or at least thinking that I am!) and the replies from my Catholic interlocutors are completely unrelated. I don't really even know what to do about that. I feel like I might as well be posting in wingdings font, for as well as my conversations go over there 99% of the time (except with one or two posters, who are generally too smart to get involved in these discussions).

Not at all. Again, the OC.net obsession with that darn CAF and thinking they're all of a sudden supposed to agree with you. "All of you RCCers are wrong. Wait, why don't you like me?"

It's their board. Don't worry about it.

Those of us who are concerned (in some way, shape or form) are current or former posters of CAF.  We're just comparing notes here.

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #575 on: January 09, 2013, 06:03:04 PM »
For people who used to be Catholic and are Orthodox now or are becoming Orthodox: Do you find it more difficult to express yourself on CAF outside of moderation, as well? Because I haven't been disciplined since September, but it seems like anything I post is taken as an attack on Rome, or somehow proving the Latins' point, or something like that. And increasingly it seems like I'll be making some point (or at least thinking that I am!) and the replies from my Catholic interlocutors are completely unrelated. I don't really even know what to do about that. I feel like I might as well be posting in wingdings font, for as well as my conversations go over there 99% of the time (except with one or two posters, who are generally too smart to get involved in these discussions).

Yes.  I have been questioning the Papacy since at least Summer.  And then only now when I changed my "religion" on CAF to "OCA catechumen" I suddenly get suspended for 5 months.  I have not changed my tone from where it was 5 months ago.  I guess this falls into that "PC" mentality, that it is okay to disparge a certain group if you belong to that group, but if you are not part of that group then you are racist, hateful, bigotted, etc.

I've also had other CAF posters suddenly come down very hard on me the moment I updated "religion".  And I reminded them that it is not about me being negative about Catholicism because I am leaving it, I have been talking that way for a while now even when I was fully a Catholic.

It's an RCC site. When you go on that site and you question them, and you say you want to quit their church, what are they supposed to do, kiss you?

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #576 on: January 09, 2013, 06:06:06 PM »
For people who used to be Catholic and are Orthodox now or are becoming Orthodox: Do you find it more difficult to express yourself on CAF outside of moderation, as well? Because I haven't been disciplined since September, but it seems like anything I post is taken as an attack on Rome, or somehow proving the Latins' point, or something like that. And increasingly it seems like I'll be making some point (or at least thinking that I am!) and the replies from my Catholic interlocutors are completely unrelated. I don't really even know what to do about that. I feel like I might as well be posting in wingdings font, for as well as my conversations go over there 99% of the time (except with one or two posters, who are generally too smart to get involved in these discussions).

Not at all. Again, the OC.net obsession with that darn CAF and thinking they're all of a sudden supposed to agree with you. "All of you RCCers are wrong. Wait, why don't you like me?"

It's their board. Don't worry about it.

Those of us who are concerned (in some way, shape or form) are current or former posters of CAF.  We're just comparing notes here.

I'm a current member of CAF too. And there was a big purge of Orthodox members a long time ago, because many of them really were rude and disruptive. I should know; I was the target of their verbal abuse on many occasions. I won't name names, because some of them are still here and I for some reason don't want to get banned. But I know what I know.

Why was it so hard for some of that crowd to admit they maybe shouldn't have done what they did, and they messed it up for everybody? Do Orthodox people just think they're never wrong?  ???

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« Reply #577 on: January 09, 2013, 06:11:15 PM »
I'm a current member of CAF too. And there was a big purge of Orthodox members a long time ago, because many of them really were rude and disruptive. I should know; I was the target of their verbal abuse on many occasions. I won't name names, because some of them are still here and I for some reason don't want to get banned. But I know what I know.

Why was it so hard for some of that crowd to admit they maybe shouldn't have done what they did, and they messed it up for everybody? Do Orthodox people just think they're never wrong?  ???

Its not about being right or wrong.  I do admit some people do handle the discussion better than others but the issue is, why can't we have such discussions?  It seems that if you are not Catholic you can only say nice things about the Catholic Church regardless of what your views are or even what the truth is.

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #578 on: January 09, 2013, 07:06:37 PM »
For people who used to be Catholic and are Orthodox now or are becoming Orthodox: Do you find it more difficult to express yourself on CAF outside of moderation, as well? Because I haven't been disciplined since September, but it seems like anything I post is taken as an attack on Rome, or somehow proving the Latins' point, or something like that. And increasingly it seems like I'll be making some point (or at least thinking that I am!) and the replies from my Catholic interlocutors are completely unrelated. I don't really even know what to do about that. I feel like I might as well be posting in wingdings font, for as well as my conversations go over there 99% of the time (except with one or two posters, who are generally too smart to get involved in these discussions).

The comment about wingdings font is right on. I feel like they take no time trying to understand the Orthodox position, and when it becomes clear that they do not really understand it, they just fall back on a bunch of irrelevant prooftexts. I think posting those walls of prooftexts must be to hide their own insecurity or something.
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #579 on: January 09, 2013, 09:03:51 PM »
Not at all. Again, the OC.net obsession with that darn CAF and thinking they're all of a sudden supposed to agree with you.


CAF is the topic of this thread, so it's not quite an obsession to bring it up here. And I was asking about being understood, not agreed with. I already know that RCs and I disagree on some things, and don't expect that to change.

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Meh. I wouldn't say 'worry' is the right word here. I was just curious if anyone else had been experiencing the same phenomenon.

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #580 on: January 09, 2013, 11:57:02 PM »
Again, the OC.net obsession with that darn CAF

And here I thought I was the only one who believed that obsession exists.  ;D
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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #581 on: January 09, 2013, 11:58:18 PM »
Yes.  I have been questioning the Papacy since at least Summer.  And then only now when I changed my "religion" on CAF to "OCA catechumen" I suddenly get suspended for 5 months.  

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #582 on: January 10, 2013, 12:07:47 AM »
Hmm. The longest I was suspended was one month. I guess Choy is five times more anti-Pope than me. I do my best, darn it! :'(

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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #583 on: January 10, 2013, 02:35:26 AM »
Sorry guys, bad math. Its only 4 months :p


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Re: The Old CAF Crowd Will Love This!
« Reply #584 on: January 10, 2013, 02:41:59 AM »
Me, Life time ban.... bad boy  :D
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