I do, however, have a profound love and respect for my Orthodox brethrenI notice that you say you have a profound love and respect for your Eastern Orthodox bretheren. I also notice that you did not say the say about you Latin bretheren. Very interesting.
You caught me . What was I thinking?
Thank goodness you didn't point out my failure to also say it of my Eastern Catholic, Oriental Catholic & Orthodox, Maronite, Chaldean, Assyrian & ACOE, Old Believer, Old Calendrist, Molokan, Dukhobory, and PNCC brethren, to say nothing of my Lutheran, Anglican, and other Protestant brethren, my Amish, Mennonite, Moravian, and Bruderhoff brethren, my Jewish brethren, my Wiccan brethren, my Cao Dai brethren, and my brethren of the myriad other Churches and faiths. Obviously, I'll never again be able to hold my head up in any house of worship other than an Eastern Orthodox temple. What to do???
Scariest part of it all, ... I think you're serious
Are you trying to love him into trusting and relaxing or are you putting him in his place here?...I can't quite tell. I mean they say you are so good and loving so I am sure you'd not be making fun of Papist or doing anything to confirm his worst fears.
I've known Chris for several years now, here and at CAF (and, if I remember correctly, he also spent a brief period at ByzCath). What I said was half in jest, and certainly hyperbole, but it also had a large element of truth in it. Someone referred to his comment as being 'proof-texting' and I suppose I could have just agreed with that and let it go. But, truth be told, my response to him reflected fact - my comment (or failure to comment, actually) on any of the other Churches or faiths that I named could just as easily have been characterized as evincing a lack of love or respect for them. But, he didn't choose to do so because seizing on my failure to specifically address my love and respect for Latins supported his conviction that I moderated with a bias toward the EO - or against the Latins, take your pick. Apparently, he wasn't alone in thinking that - the CAF administration seemingly believed it as well. Well, if I was, then I'd have expected to have heard complaints from ECs or others along the same lines - but I never have that I can recollect.
Why? There certainly were ECs (and OCs) who engaged in spirited debate at CAF with those of the Orthodox faith - including myself at times in my Irish Melkite persona. The difference was the nature of the debates, how they were conducted, and how they ended - generally all very differently from what happened when (some) Latins engaged in the fray; and, notably, those self-same Latins were as often in conflict with the EC posters as with the EO posters, not infrequently with both at the same time.
It was not a bashful crowd posting there (think Isa, Bob/Orthodoc, stashko, and Father Ambrose) and more than one Eastern Orthodox poster was formally suspended for a period or informally asked to take a brief vacation from posting. But, you know what? The same was true of Eastern Catholic posters. As, indeed, it was of Latin posters. Do I think that anyone was happy when that happened to them? I'm old, Mary, but not senile. Of course, they were not but, in the comments made to the old CAF thread here, several folk acknowledged having had mandated time out but expressed the opinion that it was justified.
I like to believe that was what they really thought - that it wasn't just said as a 'feel-good', after-the-fact, reaction to the much more hard-line style of moderation that followed my termination. No, I can't know that with certainty but I can know that we not infrequently discussed, via PM, what was and was not appropriate posting or style. And, if I was harder on the Latins, it was because they made it harder on themselves by telling us - Eastern Christians, Catholic and Orthodox, what we must believe, what our theology should look like, how our spirituality could be best evidenced. It certainly would not have flown had Easterners invaded the Latin-oriented fora there and done likewise.
I was a Latin Catholic for the first 20 years of my life. Although I transferred my canonical enrollment to the Melkites in the immediate aftermath of VII, I did so neither because of VII nor because of any disdain for the Church in which I was raised. In fact, although I shudder at some of what has passed for liturgics in the past few decades, I still believe that the Latin Church has the imperfect fullness of the faith (as I believe also with regard to the Eastern and Oriental Catholic and Orthodox Churches - each being diminished in its exercise of that faith by its separation from the other Apostolic Churches, as I already explained earlier).
My issue is not with Latins, it is with Latin triumphalism as is commonly experienced here and elsewhere on the net, much more so than it is in real life. Many of the comments by Matt and David as to the differences between real life and life on the net are as equally applicable to the average Latin Catholic in his/her relationship with Eastern Catholics (if they are even aware of us) as they are to the relations between the Carpatho-Rusyns of the Ruthenian Metropolia and those of the Carpatho-Russian Archdiocese, or the UGCC and the UOC, or the Melkites and the Antiochians.
Real life is supporting the functions of one another's parishes because they share an ecclesio-cultural history. Real life is priests from two Churches saying prayers at the wake of a deceased person whose family is split between the two. Real life is offering the use of vestments, liturgical accoutrements, and even of one's temple to the counterpart worship community whose temple burned to the ground. Real life is the prayerful and tearful words of a hierarch expressed on the occasion of the repose of his counterpart who shepherded the 'other' Church. Real life is acknowledging that the sacred text published under the auspices of the 'other' Church is the better translation or the more spiritually edifying.
Real life is an EO presbyter readily agreeing to allow use of photos of his temple to illustrate an 'historical' entry in the EC directory because it was once an EC parish and offering to take photos of any of the EC temples in his area that are lacking same in their directory entries. Real life is Matt thanking Anhelyna for representing him and others who could not be in attendance at the funeral liturgy of an EC priest. Real life is praying for one another's health, praying that the memory of one another's loved ones be eternal, praying the blessing of a priest of the 'other' Church to whom one is speaking.
Real life is not belittling one another's belief or spirituality or praxis. Thanks be to God, those are generally only the virtual life of religious internet fora.