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« Reply #270 on: January 06, 2012, 07:05:03 PM »

I think making excuses for behavior that laid two cities to burn and that St. Paul himself would not allow one to enter into the Kingdom, is much more cruel.

Noone wishes to encourage immorality but, despite Saint Paul's warning that fornicators will not enter the Kingdom,  canon 6 of Saint Basil, taken into the universal Church at the Council of Trullo, permits fornicators to continue in fornication.

I do not pretend to understand this dichotomy but the fact is that it exists.  An example of serious pastoral economy?

If a presbyter has through ignorance contracted an illegal marriage, while he still retains the right to his place, as we have defined in the sacred canons, yet he must abstain from all sacerdotal work. For it is sufficient if to such an one indulgence is granted. For he is unfit to bless another who needs to take care of his own wounds, for blessing is the imparting of sanctification. But how can he impart this to another who does not possess it himself through a sin of ignorance? Neither then in public nor in private can he bless nor distribute to others the body of Christ, [nor perform any other ministry]; but being content with his seat of honour let him lament to the Lord that his sin of ignorance may be remitted. For it is manifest that the nefarious marriage must be dissolved, neither can the man have any intercourse with her on account of whom he is deprived of the execution of his priesthood.

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« Reply #271 on: March 04, 2012, 11:03:15 PM »

Not necessarily related to the "encyclopedia robot" idea, but was I a bit amazed by this statement that was made on CAF today

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« Reply #272 on: March 04, 2012, 11:30:16 PM »

Not necessarily related to the "encyclopedia robot" idea, but was I a bit amazed by this statement that was made on CAF today

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no, he's in submission to the Vatican.  His ideas are, how shall we say, idiosyncratic, as has been pointed out by his former and present correligionists.
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« Reply #273 on: March 18, 2012, 08:20:41 PM »

Another guideline post at CAF is titled On the use of the words uniate, schismatic, and heretic. This isn't a new post (in fact it's from shortly after the switch from "EC" to "EC") but I read it recently for unrelated reasons.

The reason I mention it is the second paragraph which begins with "In recent history, there has been some increase in the use of the term [uniate] by Rome itself". Can anyone explain for me what she is referring to? I don't recall Rome using the U-word recently.
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« Reply #274 on: September 15, 2012, 03:27:12 PM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.
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« Reply #275 on: September 15, 2012, 03:33:50 PM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.
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« Reply #276 on: September 15, 2012, 04:02:11 PM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.

No. They cant, except when its anything other than Orthodox or Traditional Catholic. I mean atheists, agnostics, yoga practioners etc... get away with all sorts of stuff. Call em on it and your an old fashioned, uncharitable, perhaps bigoted, big fat meanie. They're ecumenical towards everyone except those who adhere to the truth or at least try to.
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« Reply #277 on: September 15, 2012, 04:51:22 PM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.

No. They cant, except when its anything other than Orthodox or Traditional Catholic. I mean atheists, agnostics, yoga practioners etc... get away with all sorts of stuff. Call em on it and your an old fashioned, uncharitable, perhaps bigoted, big fat meanie. They're ecumenical towards everyone except those who adhere to the truth or at least try to.

I think they are charitable toward anyone that isn't a big competitor. Not too many people will give up Roman Catholicism for Yoga..Orthodoxy on the other hand ...........
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« Reply #278 on: September 15, 2012, 06:03:11 PM »

Also, don't make the mistake of saying Islam is a false religion. Even though it is a big competitor to Catholicism, we can't say that it's false. That's uncharitable.

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« Reply #279 on: September 15, 2012, 06:34:27 PM »

Also, don't make the mistake of saying Islam is a false religion. Even though it is a big competitor to Catholicism, we can't say that it's false. That's uncharitable.

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I also find the modern Roman Catholic position on Islam to be problematic. 
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« Reply #280 on: September 15, 2012, 08:54:14 PM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

A shame. It's become so hostile at CAF that I really have lost much of my desire to post there.
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« Reply #281 on: September 15, 2012, 09:50:24 PM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.

No. They cant, except when its anything other than Orthodox or Traditional Catholic. I mean atheists, agnostics, yoga practioners etc... get away with all sorts of stuff.

I find your second sentence pretty hard to believe (I could be wrong -- I seldom interact with non-Christians on CAF). But I have certainly known a bunch of traditional Catholics who don't like the way things are at CAF.

Although, interestingly enough, the traditional crowd and the Eastern crowd generally don't ally with each other at CAF.
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« Reply #282 on: September 15, 2012, 09:52:02 PM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.

Indeed, I generally recommend taking care about what you say to whom over there.
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« Reply #283 on: September 15, 2012, 10:24:17 PM »

Also most upsetting is that they banned Hesychios. It is too bad that he does not post here at OC.net very often. Undecided
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« Reply #284 on: September 15, 2012, 11:14:23 PM »

Is CAF the same place where they got rid of the Orthodox section and banned a bunch of people? I guess there were alot of people converting to Orthodoxy and that didn't sit well with the mods.
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« Reply #285 on: September 16, 2012, 01:31:45 AM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.

Everyone is surprised, myself included  Grin

I have began to wonder if the admins were on vacation or something.  They used to be quick to the trigger.  I have gotten a lot of warnings over the last few months.  But my recent pro-Orthodox position hasn't even gotten me one warning whilst it has gotten many recognized Orthodox posters banned.  I'm guessing they are trying to keep me on hoping those who are convincing me to reconsider Orthodoxy might succeed?  I don't know.
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« Reply #286 on: September 16, 2012, 01:34:52 AM »

No. They cant, except when its anything other than Orthodox or Traditional Catholic. I mean atheists, agnostics, yoga practioners etc... get away with all sorts of stuff. Call em on it and your an old fashioned, uncharitable, perhaps bigoted, big fat meanie. They're ecumenical towards everyone except those who adhere to the truth or at least try to.

They don't have good, solid tracts against Orthodoxy.  I guess that is why.
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« Reply #287 on: September 16, 2012, 04:34:39 AM »

No. They cant, except when its anything other than Orthodox or Traditional Catholic. I mean atheists, agnostics, yoga practioners etc... get away with all sorts of stuff. Call em on it and your an old fashioned, uncharitable, perhaps bigoted, big fat meanie. They're ecumenical towards everyone except those who adhere to the truth or at least try to.

They don't have good, solid tracts against Orthodoxy.  I guess that is why.

This. Even I could disprove every argument they made in their silly anti-Orthodoxy tracts. On the other hand, it's hard to argue against the truth so any tract against Orthodoxy will be difficult to make.

Also most upsetting is that they banned Hesychios. It is too bad that he does not post here at OC.net very often. Undecided

That was sad. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it. Hesychios was always really nice to everyone.


But meh, my three favorite posters from CAF, Dzheremi, Cavaradossi and ConstantineTG, are all here anyway. If it weren't for these luminaries I might be a Latin now.

Also, don't make the mistake of saying Islam is a false religion. Even though it is a big competitor to Catholicism, we can't say that it's false. That's uncharitable.

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I once said the same on the Non-Catholic [sic] Religions section about the modern RC position on Judaism. Unbelievable what a can of worms I opened there! Cheesy
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« Reply #288 on: September 16, 2012, 05:12:34 AM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.

No. They cant, except when its anything other than Orthodox or Traditional Catholic. I mean atheists, agnostics, yoga practioners etc... get away with all sorts of stuff.


Although, interestingly enough, the traditional crowd and the Eastern crowd generally don't ally with each other at CAF.

D-uh, the traditionalists seem to think that Eastern christians are modernists with icons.

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.

Indeed, I generally recommend taking care about what you say to whom over there.

I was never insulting or anything. I must admit that I was sometimes a little bit sarcastic, but that's just my writing style.
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« Reply #289 on: September 16, 2012, 07:39:51 AM »

Is CAF the same place where they got rid of the Orthodox section and banned a bunch of people?

Yes, they did ban a bunch of people.  Sad

As for "got rid of the Orthodox section" ... they used to have an "Eastern Christianity" section, which they removed/replaced with the "Eastern Catholicism" section. To be honest, I find the complaints about that a tad strange. After all, OCnet doesn't have an "Eastern Christianity" section, but you don't see people complaining about that. (Although I suppose some of the complaints are more to the tune of "They did a bait-and-switch by having an "Eastern Christianity" forum and then suddenly replacing it." Which makes more sense to me then straights complaints about the lack of "Eastern Christianity" forum.)
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« Reply #290 on: September 16, 2012, 07:41:08 AM »

We're running out of Orthodox members over at CAF.

They even gave me the boot. They can't take a little heat. I am quite surprised that you aren't banned over there yet.

Indeed, I generally recommend taking care about what you say to whom over there.

I was never insulting or anything. I must admit that I was sometimes a little bit sarcastic, but that's just my writing style.

Yeah, I don't recall you bein' bad.
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« Reply #291 on: September 16, 2012, 11:49:21 AM »

Yeah, I still cannot believe that they banned Hesychios. I should be banned before Hesychios. That guy never had a bad word to say about anything or anybody. It shocks me some of the people who are allowed to remain (none of the present company included) while others are not, but then I guess I wouldn't make a very good mod at CAF, so it's not really my call to make.

While it is, after all, only an internet message board and nothing like an official organ of the RCC, I see the attitude over there as kind of symbolizing or at least providing a very difficult to dismiss example of why reunion is essentially a pipe dream: We are all brothers until you say something that we, the all-powerful Latins, don't like. It doesn't even have to be something there is a dogmatic position on (e.g., the Islam talk, which CCC 841 notwithstanding, seems to be an area on which even faithful Catholics may disagree); it's enough that you offend our vision of what Christianity is.

Well, what on earth are we supposed to do about that? Say that our faith is something that it's not (false), and your faith is something that it's not (true)? They would have us lie rather than confess the truth as we know it. I don't understand that. I've never known any Orthodox to want that, whether in the Orthodox-RCC dialogues, or the OO-EO dialogues, or general Christian-unbeliever dialogues, etc. I respect the RCC when it is at its least (fake) "charitable", even if they call me a heretic and an apostate in the process, because if you really believe in your faith, then that's it. This is the faith of the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. This other thing over there is not. This is why I liked Pope Benedict when I first read some of his writings, because he seemed to want to return to speaking plainly and with the weight of tradition on his side in restoring the Latin mass, getting rid of lax practices, etc. Basically, it seemed like he actually believed he was the Pope of a Christian church, as opposed to someone like JPII who was a goodwill ambassador to the rest of the world, inviting interfaith prayer in Assisi (egad! Lord no!), confronting communism in Poland, etc. I don't get that. I could only be a Latin so long as I believed in it, you know? And I only came to Orthodoxy after coming to believe in it -- not respecting it as the Catholics say they do, nor finding it interesting or curious, but actually believing in it. It seems like many of the Orthodox were banned because they believed just a bit too much. It is uncomfortable and uncharitable in the modern RC view.

Sorry, I didn't get a lot of sleep last night so I'm probably not making any sense, but I don't know...something about the way that the modern RCC approaches or conceives of Christianity bothers me at a very basic level, and I think CAF is a perfect example of where that fundamentally flawed faith and outlook leads in practice.
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« Reply #292 on: September 17, 2012, 04:01:21 PM »

Also, don't make the mistake of saying Islam is a false religion. Even though it is a big competitor to Catholicism, we can't say that it's false. That's uncharitable.

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I also find the modern Roman Catholic position on Islam to be problematic. 
I'd say it's a little more than problematic... Angry

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« Reply #293 on: September 19, 2012, 08:24:54 PM »

Is Nine_Two the only Orthodox left at CAF?  I hardly recognize anyone else.
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« Reply #294 on: September 19, 2012, 08:30:26 PM »

Cavaradossi is still there (unless they banned him in the time since they suspended me), but doesn't post very much.
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« Reply #295 on: September 19, 2012, 08:36:51 PM »

Cavaradossi is still there (unless they banned him in the time since they suspended me), but doesn't post very much.

If you say things like that, you will jinx me. laugh

I do not post much any longer, as I feel that the chances for any serious discussion at CAF are close to nothing now. The environment there has become stifling.
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« Reply #296 on: September 19, 2012, 08:43:01 PM »

Sorry. Didn't mean to jinx you.  Smiley

I'm not sure I want to come back after my suspension is over. I agree that the environment over there is not very healthy...not sure I want to add to that anymore.
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« Reply #297 on: September 19, 2012, 11:08:31 PM »

I cannot imagine what possible reason they had to concoct to ban Hesychios. Words escape me.

I didn't know ConstantineTG was here, is he still EC?
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« Reply #298 on: September 19, 2012, 11:14:20 PM »

I cannot imagine what possible reason they had to concoct to ban Hesychios. Words escape me.

I didn't know ConstantineTG was here, is he still EC?

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I cannot imagine what possible reason they had to concoct to ban Hesychios. Words escape me.

I didn't know ConstantineTG was here, is he still EC?

For the moment Wink

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« Reply #300 on: September 20, 2012, 12:31:14 PM »

Should I run and hide?
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« Reply #301 on: September 20, 2012, 12:42:04 PM »

Should I run and hide?

It's too late, the lynching mob is already here.
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« Reply #302 on: September 20, 2012, 12:48:31 PM »

Cavaradossi is still there (unless they banned him in the time since they suspended me), but doesn't post very much.

If you say things like that, you will jinx me. laugh

I do not post much any longer, as I feel that the chances for any serious discussion at CAF are close to nothing now. The environment there has become stifling.

Since the last banning spree the EC forum has become untolerably boring (except that part where mardukm was called an apostate, which was funny). No surprise since they banned almost everyone who could argue against them
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« Reply #303 on: September 20, 2012, 12:51:18 PM »

Should I run and hide?

It's too late, the lynching mob is already here.

Did you mean the Inquisitors Tongue
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« Reply #304 on: September 20, 2012, 12:52:55 PM »

Should I run and hide?

It's too late, the lynching mob is already here.

Did you mean the Inquisitors Tongue

The Bearded Inquisitors. They only do Orthodoxy or Death  Wink
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« Reply #305 on: September 20, 2012, 12:54:50 PM »

The Bearded Inquisitors. They only do Orthodoxy or Death  Wink

So they will drag me into an Orthodox Church and Chrismate me?


cool!  Wink
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« Reply #306 on: September 20, 2012, 12:58:13 PM »

The Bearded Inquisitors. They only do Orthodoxy or Death  Wink

So they will drag me into an Orthodox Church and Chrismate me?


cool!  Wink

Either that or they'll smash your brains out with icons  Cheesy

I can't wait for them to arrive in town myself, too.
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« Reply #307 on: September 20, 2012, 01:00:52 PM »

Honestly I don't know what to think of my notoriety.
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« Reply #308 on: September 20, 2012, 04:52:20 PM »

Not necessarily related to the "encyclopedia robot" idea, but was I a bit amazed by this statement that was made on CAF today

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« Reply #309 on: September 20, 2012, 05:06:32 PM »

Honestly I don't know what to think of my notoriety.

I'm jealous. I'm not even half as notorious. Tongue
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« Reply #310 on: September 20, 2012, 05:25:35 PM »

Honestly I don't know what to think of my notoriety.

I'm jealous. I'm not even half as notorious. Tongue

I won't be surprised if I end up Protestant because I get thrown out of every Apostolic Church I go to Tongue
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« Reply #311 on: September 20, 2012, 06:06:11 PM »

Hahaha. Now I'm told there's somebody (a Catholic) in a thread on miaphysitism telling everyone that the OO do not find "Assyro-Chaldean" Christology heretical. Boy, it's a good thing I'm suspended, because there's no way I'd just let that sit there...as though we're supposed to believe that the Coptic synod somehow magically received the 'agreed' Christological statement of 1996 as Orthodox (they didn't; the Nestorians accepted it, but the Copts rejected it, hence there is no agreement and the Nestorians are just as heretical as they ever were), just because that's what the likes of Mardukm would want to believe (being drafted, as it was, by "senior theologians" or whatever). It is better to be thought of as a heretic by a heretic than to be told by him that you and he really believe the same thing, but maybe just word it differently. That is much more offensive. I deliberately left the Latin communion and now they tell me that I didn't really leave, because of this agreement and that agreement (even ones we didn't actually sign off on)? I'm sorry, but no. The RCC is not the Borg. Go away and stay there. Don't call us; we'll call you.

I can really see why some EO (and OO, but it seems like a much smaller number) are so anti-ecumenism. This kind of thing really drives me nuts.

(Re-reading this before posting, I can really see why I got suspended. Hahaha.)
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« Reply #312 on: September 20, 2012, 06:08:14 PM »

The RCC is not the Borg.

Best. Analogy. Ever.
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« Reply #313 on: September 20, 2012, 06:40:45 PM »

It's been a while since I've even lurked CAF, but I've wished for some time that mardukm would come over here where conversation isn't so... hindered. I think a conversation between ialmisry and mardukm would be so full of red font and maps, it would be epic.

I cannot imagine what possible reason they had to concoct to ban Hesychios. Words escape me.

I didn't know ConstantineTG was here, is he still EC?

For the moment Wink

Nice to see you around these parts. I'm sure you don't even know me since I was 95% pure lurker on CAF, but all the same, glad you're here.
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« Reply #314 on: September 20, 2012, 06:43:38 PM »

It's been a while since I've even lurked CAF, but I've wished for some time that mardukm would come over here where conversation isn't so... hindered. I think a conversation between ialmisry and mardukm would be so full of red font and maps, it would be epic.

I cannot imagine what possible reason they had to concoct to ban Hesychios. Words escape me.

I didn't know ConstantineTG was here, is he still EC?

For the moment Wink

Nice to see you around these parts. I'm sure you don't even know me since I was 95% pure lurker on CAF, but all the same, glad you're here.

Thanks!  At least your one person who recognizes me and didn't bring a pitchfork and a torch Cheesy
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