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Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« on: December 07, 2011, 09:51:39 PM »
The nuclear submarine 'Alexander Nevsky' will have an Orthodox Christian chapel installed in it. The Russian vessel is currently undergoing sea trials, and the chapel will be built when this process is complete.

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It was donated to the vessel’s crew by the Omophor Fund (omophorion), which brings together both able-bodied and war-wounded veterans who spent their lives serving their motherland and who are continuing that service in the field of social and church charity.

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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 10:15:43 PM »
 see the Glory of the Lord! this is a beautiful thing! someone will get to pray this psalm in certain literality.

Psalm 130

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2 Lord, hear my voice. Let thy ears be attentive to the voice of my supplication.

3 If thou, O Lord, wilt mark iniquities: Lord, who shall stand it.

4 For with thee there is merciful forgiveness: and by reason of thy law, I have waited for thee, O Lord. My soul hath relied on his word:

5 my soul hath hoped in the Lord.

6 From the morning watch even until night, let Israel hope in the Lord.

7 Because with the Lord there is mercy: and with him plentiful redemption.

8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

To God be the Glory in all things! Amen!

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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 10:44:44 PM »
That's awesome about their military's restoration of clergy. Soldiers need access to priests.

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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 11:07:07 PM »
How cool!!!
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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 05:19:07 AM »
That's awesome about their military's restoration of clergy. Soldiers need access to priests.

To priests with no military privileges.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 02:13:42 PM »
Praise be to God.  The Church is now not only in Antartica and Space, but even in the depths of the Sea. 
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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2011, 03:03:15 PM »
I would assume that incense might be a problem; heck even candles.

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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2011, 03:27:54 PM »
see the Glory of the Lord! this is a beautiful thing! someone will get to pray this psalm in certain literality.

Psalm 130

1Out of the depths I have cried to thee, O Lord:

2 Lord, hear my voice. Let thy ears be attentive to the voice of my supplication.

3 If thou, O Lord, wilt mark iniquities: Lord, who shall stand it.

4 For with thee there is merciful forgiveness: and by reason of thy law, I have waited for thee, O Lord. My soul hath relied on his word:

5 my soul hath hoped in the Lord.

6 From the morning watch even until night, let Israel hope in the Lord.

7 Because with the Lord there is mercy: and with him plentiful redemption.

8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.



haha...how true! :angel:

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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 03:30:40 PM »
I would assume that incense might be a problem; heck even candles.

Electric candles and incense scented air freshener.
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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 10:04:56 PM »
Are these nuclear submarines warships? Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.
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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 10:18:12 PM »
Whoever wrote that lame title to the article deserves to be fired.

Great story, though!
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2011, 10:20:37 PM »
Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship?
I'm sure you could find Orthodox clergymen who would have a problem with it and some who wouldn't mind it at all.


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I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

There isn't an official EO position on it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2011, 11:11:27 PM »
I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

Those on board and elsewhere need the prayer as much as anyone else. I mean if the priest was invoking God's blessing on the vessel's destructive power, or praying against state enemies while in battle, I think that many would find such a chapel objectionable. But that's likely not what this is. It's probably just to minister to the crew. Imagine still being able to receive the Mysteries regularly while on a tour of duty.

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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2011, 03:29:45 AM »
"we all live in an orthodox submarine...."

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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2011, 08:09:52 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2011, 09:31:58 AM »
Are these nuclear submarines warships? Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

Contrary to what has been written above, I believe that there is an official EO position on the matter, at least in the Moscow Patriarchate (with more members than nearly all the others combined).  The ship would not have been blessed to have a chapel without the Church's approval.  Also, a Russian nuclear submarine recently sailed under the polar ice cap with a Russian Orthodox Bishop on board.  Russian Orthodox Chaplains are assigned to many military units, and I have photographs of Orthodox priests conducting Liturgy in the field with these men, and even blessing their weapons.  We pray for our armed forces and their success against their enemies at every Liturgy.  How would a Chapel on a Submarine be in any way inconsistent with any of this?  Assigning a Priest to the crew of a Submarine is no different than assigning one to an Infantry unit or a Tank unit.  And since the submarine is a "structure" of sorts, why would one not have a chapel for worship if a Priest (or even a Bishop as in at least one case) is on board?

Your question is a good one.  I think that if you look more deeply into it, you will find that even the Americans have chaplains on warships, many of them Roman Catholic.  In that regard, I do not believe that the EO position is much different than the RC or any of the mainline Protestant denominations.  However, there being a separation between Church and State in the US, and with the move to erase anything religious from any public institution, I would doubt that the US would go through the effort of putting a chapel on any new warships.  However, I would bet that the larger ships such as aircraft carriers have purpose built chapels in them, and I would be pleasantly surprised if others had them, too.
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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2011, 10:43:31 AM »
Are these nuclear submarines warships? Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

Why would they? Submarine tours can be very lengthy, and sailors need access to the Mysteries as much as all of us. I would be somewhat surprised if clergy had a problem with this.

The Russian Church also makes churches available for soldiers in the field.



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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2011, 04:24:55 PM »
Are these nuclear submarines warships? Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

Some members of the Orthodox Peace Fellowship, for example, might, but the clergy are there to help the soldiers. Who says soldiers do not merit spiritual support? They are doing a difficult job defending the country and need ministration.
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2011, 04:26:45 PM »
Are these nuclear submarines warships? Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

Why would they? Submarine tours can be very lengthy, and sailors need access to the Mysteries as much as all of us. I would be somewhat surprised if clergy had a problem with this.

The Russian Church also makes churches available for soldiers in the field.



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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2011, 04:44:39 PM »
Are these nuclear submarines warships? Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

Why would they? Submarine tours can be very lengthy, and sailors need access to the Mysteries as much as all of us. I would be somewhat surprised if clergy had a problem with this.

The Russian Church also makes churches available for soldiers in the field.



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Wow!
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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2011, 04:48:45 PM »
Are these nuclear submarines warships? Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

Why would they? Submarine tours can be very lengthy, and sailors need access to the Mysteries as much as all of us. I would be somewhat surprised if clergy had a problem with this.

The Russian Church also makes churches available for soldiers in the field.



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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2011, 04:49:45 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2011, 04:51:46 PM »
Are these nuclear submarines warships? Would any Orthodox Clergy have a problem with a chapel on a warship? I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the EO position on this kind of thing.

Why would they? Submarine tours can be very lengthy, and sailors need access to the Mysteries as much as all of us. I would be somewhat surprised if clergy had a problem with this.

The Russian Church also makes churches available for soldiers in the field.



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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2011, 05:33:42 PM »
Can it be driven, or did they take off the tires?

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2011, 05:41:42 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2011, 05:49:54 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2011, 06:10:37 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2011, 08:11:07 PM »
Does Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38/39 refer to Russia leading the Ishamel gang in the coming war against Israel?

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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2011, 01:33:27 PM »
Does Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38/39 refer to Russia leading the Ishamel gang in the coming war against Israel?

Only if you're an Evangelical Zionist Protestant.
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2011, 03:41:25 PM »
Does Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38/39 refer to Russia leading the Ishamel gang in the coming war against Israel?

Nope.
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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2011, 04:38:55 PM »
The Church Millitant!  ;D

Nicely done.  :D

Can it be driven, or did they take off the tires?

I don't know for sure, but I would think it's mobile. There are the popouts on the sides, much like RV's and campers have, so it probably folds up and otherwise looks like a standard military truck.

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So when are the Russians going to have a Liturgy in the ISS?
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2012, 04:40:25 PM »
The Church Millitant!  ;D

Nicely done.  :D

Can it be driven, or did they take off the tires?

I don't know for sure, but I would think it's mobile. There are the popouts on the sides, much like RV's and campers have, so it probably folds up and otherwise looks like a standard military truck.

Maybe we should get a few of those for the US.  Have monks, at least one of them a priest, go out two by two delivering liturgy to rural America.
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2012, 04:40:36 PM »
So when are the Russians going to have a Liturgy in the ISS?

That would be wicked awesome.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2012, 10:01:40 PM »
St. Alexandar Nevski, Is My Slava and My Brothers [Patron Saint ] ...I don't  Know What To Think ,Having A Nuclear Sub.Named After Him  ???......I'm All For The Chapel Though........ :police:
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« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2012, 03:28:53 AM »
I wonder how they're gonna do liturgy in ISS...

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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2012, 03:56:08 AM »
So many things wrong with this in my opinion. I cannot share in the enthusiasm. Why not have Orthodox chapels in brothels and abortion clinics? Does Jesus not love harlots as much as soldiers? How can the Ark of salvation dwell within the belly of a ship of destruction?


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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2012, 04:28:29 AM »
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I do not know brother, but we have a divine promise that such a glorious mystery can and does occur. However, we do not have a divine promise that God will bless our participation in the facilitation of instruments of mass destruction.


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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2012, 11:18:51 AM »
I don't know about you, but I would guess that the prayers of those under the sea asking for guidance and to be shown the will of God would be pleasing to Him.  I feel far more secure knowing that there are nuclear submarines out there with Orthodox churches aboard than I do with all of those under the sea in the service of greedy corporate pigs. 


So many things wrong with this in my opinion. I cannot share in the enthusiasm. Why not have Orthodox chapels in brothels and abortion clinics? Does Jesus not love harlots as much as soldiers? How can the Ark of salvation dwell within the belly of a ship of destruction?


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« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2012, 12:06:13 PM »
I don't know about you, but I would guess that the prayers of those under the sea asking for guidance and to be shown the will of God would be pleasing to Him.  I feel far more secure knowing that there are nuclear submarines out there with Orthodox churches aboard than I do with all of those under the sea in the service of greedy corporate pigs. 


So many things wrong with this in my opinion. I cannot share in the enthusiasm. Why not have Orthodox chapels in brothels and abortion clinics? Does Jesus not love harlots as much as soldiers? How can the Ark of salvation dwell within the belly of a ship of destruction?


"What communion hath light with darkness?" [II Corinthians 6:14]



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Since there have to be such ships in our times, I do agree with Punch.

Let us pray that through the intercession of St. Nicholas the Patron of Sailors at sea , the Theotokas and St. Alexander Nevsky that the full capacity of this vessel never need be utilized. Lord, have mercy.

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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2012, 04:51:49 PM »
Are there nuclear warheads on this submarine? Because um, in my estimation, that's pretty incompatible with a chapel. No matter whose flag is flying up on deck.

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« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2012, 04:58:22 PM »
Are there nuclear warheads on this submarine? Because um, in my estimation, that's pretty incompatible with a chapel. No matter whose flag is flying up on deck.

How is it any more incompatible with an Orthodox chapel than having one on an infantry base?  Nuclear war heads can kill people.  Tanks can kill people.  Infantry can kill people.  The only thing different is the number one war head can kill, versus the number one tank can kill, versus the number one person can kill.  If we accept an Orthodox person can be in the military, we accept that an Orthodox person can be on a submarine that has the power to kill mass numbers of people.  And the Orthodox Church has been very clear that it does accept soldiers as Christians.
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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2012, 05:01:07 PM »
There were saints who served in the military- St. George, for one. I know there are others.

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Re: Russian nuclear submarine to be fitted with Orthodox chapel
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2012, 05:50:18 PM »
Are there nuclear warheads on this submarine? Because um, in my estimation, that's pretty incompatible with a chapel. No matter whose flag is flying up on deck.

No, they intend to provide a deterrent using rainbows and unicorn poop.  Hostile nations that may be armed with nuclear weapons are afraid of that stuff, you know.
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.