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« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2011, 02:07:32 AM »

Prostrations are difficult enough without trying to do them in a suit.  Wink

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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2011, 02:56:36 AM »

But I still don't see why dressing in a t-shirt in a jeans should be acceptable if this isn't all you have available.

Perhaps that person struggles with pride, and his/her spiritual father has commanded them to wear jeans to Church rather than dress extravagantly. It is not for us to judge, but rather for God to understand.
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« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2011, 03:29:22 AM »

I've seen a range from casual (jeans and a t shirt) to suit and tie in my church. I've personally worn everything from a tie (I do have a couple of decent looking jackets that were given to me, I still need to have them tailored to fit before I can wear them) to the clothes I wore to work (in a factory) the night before. I wore sandals to my chrismation. My priest does send an email out every spring reminding the parish not too dress too immodestly or too casual (shorts are usually mentioned specifically) and another one around football season asking people not to wear their favorite jersey.
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« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2011, 04:50:41 AM »

But I still don't see why dressing in a t-shirt in a jeans should be acceptable if this isn't all you have available.

Perhaps that person struggles with pride, and his/her spiritual father has commanded them to wear jeans to Church rather than dress extravagantly. It is not for us to judge, but rather for God to understand.
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« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2011, 05:52:43 AM »


St John (Maximovitch) the Wonderworker would not allow anyone serving at the altar to wear a tie because to him it signified a hangman's noose, and symbols of death had no place in the sanctuary (it was also reminiscent of Judas' betrayal). 
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« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2011, 09:14:38 AM »

Answer:  A woman wearing her "best", inappropriate for Sunday Best...  Does that ever happen in the Orthodox arena, and how is it handled?
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« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2011, 10:18:53 AM »

Whether it's at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church or the Greek Orthodox Church we attend here in Mississippi, the Orthodox Church is the only Church where I truly felt accepted regardless of what I wore. Of course, I never entered the Church dressed in an inappropriate manner. My personal opinion is that we should simply dress prepared to pray. Prostrations are difficult enough without trying to do them in a suit.  Wink



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I've certainly never had a problem prostrating in a suit, but, then again, I actually wear clothes that fits me unlike most American men who wear the most ill fitting attire and I'm not talking about it from an aesthetic standpoint, either.  Clothes that fit should not look like their hanging off a man.  Even in cultures where loose fitting garments are the norm, they fit the wearer. 

That being said, I agree with Gebre's sentiment.  One should wear something simple, tasteful, dignified and comfortable.

Coming to church in a hairshirt and robe in the 21st century United States is vanity, too.
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« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2011, 10:40:42 AM »


That being said, I agree with Gebre's sentiment.  One should wear something simple, tasteful, dignified and comfortable.

Coming to church in a hairshirt and robe in the 21st century United States is vanity, too.
Excellent points that I can easily agree with.

In my own parish, men rarely wear jacket and tie. I will occasionally put on a tie with a dress shirt (no jacket) simply because I like the look and am comfortable with it.

Men dress in something better than everyday "work clothes", and generally a bit better than "just going to the mall". Certainly no shorts and flip-flops as I've seen in other places. If it's a Great Feast, funeral, wedding, etc., then it will be stepped up a level or two.

What is important when deciding what to wear is to avoid drawing attention to oneself.
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« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2011, 10:42:14 AM »

I never quite understood the reasoning behind wearing "Sunday best". Does it glorifies God in any way? Not that I know of. It seems more or less to be a bizarre custom our culture has adopted. Not that I wish to condemn people who feel the need to dress that way, I just choose not to. The witness of the saints, monastics, and fools-for-Christ is quite clear - good looks and comely dress have never assisted in salvation.

I don't think it is done for God, I think we do it for our own reasons.   It is just to get the sense that going to Liturgy is doing something different than other things we do.  We prepare for it, we have a special morning routine that includes dressing better than we do for a routine outing.     I do think it depends on location, and local custom.  Around here "Best" (the suit and tie) is for feast days and funerals, but "Sunday better" is  how I would describe dress at a Sunday Liturgy.  A way to  dress a little different than going to work.  It is like fasting before Liturgy, it is not done for God, but for our own reasons.
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« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2011, 11:22:09 AM »

As long as you're covered and it's plain, you're good.

The only thing I wish is that men were better about making an effort to wear long sleeves, or for women long skirts or dresses and head coverings. But I can see if none of the other women cover then that could be a distraction if one woman decided to be the stickler.
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« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2011, 11:43:47 AM »

I'm glad more men don't wear suits to church. Otherwise they would be a distraction.


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I'm so glad that you said this first! Grin

Guys, just so you know, men generally look mighty fine in a suit!

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« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2011, 11:45:52 AM »

I never quite understood the reasoning behind wearing "Sunday best". Does it glorifies God in any way? Not that I know of. It seems more or less to be a bizarre custom our culture has adopted. Not that I wish to condemn people who feel the need to dress that way, I just choose not to. The witness of the saints, monastics, and fools-for-Christ is quite clear - good looks and comely dress have never assisted in salvation.

I don't think it is done for God, I think we do it for our own reasons.   It is just to get the sense that going to Liturgy is doing something different than other things we do.  We prepare for it, we have a special morning routine that includes dressing better than we do for a routine outing.     I do think it depends on location, and local custom.  Around here "Best" (the suit and tie) is for feast days and funerals, but "Sunday better" is  how I would describe dress at a Sunday Liturgy.  A way to  dress a little different than going to work.  It is like fasting before Liturgy, it is not done for God, but for our own reasons.

When this topic comes up, a priest that I know always asks, "Think about it. Would you dress up for a job interview? Or a friend's wedding? Or any kind of important occasion?"
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« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2011, 12:23:57 PM »

I wear a polo and kahkis with nice shoes usually.
I dont have my suit anymore and Im not sure if I would wear it if I did. I kind of look like a Mafia soldier when I do.

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« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2011, 12:34:27 PM »

I never quite understood the reasoning behind wearing "Sunday best". Does it glorifies God in any way? Not that I know of. It seems more or less to be a bizarre custom our culture has adopted. Not that I wish to condemn people who feel the need to dress that way, I just choose not to. The witness of the saints, monastics, and fools-for-Christ is quite clear - good looks and comely dress have never assisted in salvation.

I don't think it is done for God, I think we do it for our own reasons.   It is just to get the sense that going to Liturgy is doing something different than other things we do.  We prepare for it, we have a special morning routine that includes dressing better than we do for a routine outing.     I do think it depends on location, and local custom.  Around here "Best" (the suit and tie) is for feast days and funerals, but "Sunday better" is  how I would describe dress at a Sunday Liturgy.  A way to  dress a little different than going to work.  It is like fasting before Liturgy, it is not done for God, but for our own reasons.

I think on the flip side of this though, when we DON'T do it, we are NOT doing it for our own reasons, not for God.  Are you not dressing up b/c you have a strict prayer rule against vanity?  Let's be honest...not a lot of people fit into that category. 
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« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2011, 12:39:47 PM »

The only thing I wish is that men were better about making an effort to wear long sleeves

Forgive my ignorance, but how is wearing a short sleeve shirt (such as a polo shirt, or short-sleeved dress shirt) immodest?

I know that in monasteries men are required to wear long sleeves, but we are not in a monastery.
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« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2011, 12:59:57 PM »

I wear a polo and kahkis with nice shoes usually.
I dont have my suit anymore and Im not sure if I would wear it if I did. I kind of look like a Mafia soldier when I do.

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We often hear from the more hyper- amongst us that we should dress simply and avoid bringing attention to ourselves.  The bolded outfit is probably the best way to go (for a man) when really trying to strive to follow the quote from St. Cyril posted earlier in this thread.  It's the most innocuous and plain "dress up" outfit which definitely fits the bill of "simple, tasteful, dignified and comfortable," that I mentioned previously as my rule of the thumb.  If on the cool side of things, long sleeve white or blue button down and/or sweater would also not be out of place.
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« Reply #61 on: December 07, 2011, 01:01:52 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

From my own limited observations, it seems like few Orthodox men wear formal clothing to church. By this I mean a suit and tie. Folks usually wear at least a nice shirt and slacks, but few wear a coat, and even fewer wear a tie. I even remember reading somewhere that it is not traditional For Orthodox men to wear ties because of vanity.

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ALL the babyboomer aged Ethiopian men dress in complete, 3 and even 5 piece suits, and still even on the hottest day of summer also wear their prayer shawls.  However, the younger men do not.  We either rock what I call the "probation officer" look which is a nice dress shirt, no tie, and slacks with wing-tips or other dress shoes.  Then there is also folks like myself who rock the "teacher" look, white khakis and white patterned dress shirts (wearing all white is the ideal in the Church for Liturgy, especially when Communing).  Some folks even come in very casual, but this is less common, however doesn't seem to frowned upon socially.  I would wear a suit but it seems like it may be a bit pretentious considering all the other younger men do not.  I've only been to the Church once in my life in a shirt without a collar, and that was an accident! Further, we usually wear prayer shawls, both men and women, and so this sort of sanctifies what ever we happen to be wearing.  Church clothes are called "yekit lebs" or clothes that are set aside.



Also, here in the US the suit is going out of style, even the president never rocks it anymore! The probation officer look is in, even for job interviews and weddings.  Even when I'd LIKE to wear a suit (and I have several very nice ones hanging in my closet) it always seems that it would be over-dressed these days. When a good friend of mine was going through some Family Court drama, all the folks thought I was his lawyer because my suit was so nice.

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« Reply #62 on: December 07, 2011, 01:24:26 PM »

Also, here in the US the suit is going out of style, even the president never rocks it anymore!

Spend some time walking the streets of NYC, Boston, or DC, and you will see quite the contrary. Speaking from experience of taking the NYC Subway daily, and the DC Metro at times, most men are dressed in suits.
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« Reply #63 on: December 07, 2011, 01:35:30 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Also, here in the US the suit is going out of style, even the president never rocks it anymore!

Spend some time walking the streets of NYC, Boston, or DC, and you will see quite the contrary. Speaking from experience of taking the NYC Subway daily, and the DC Metro at times, most men are dressed in suits.
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Let me rephrase that then.. Here on the West Coast the suit is going out of style.  Downtown LA, or in the South Bay, or on the Westside, there are men in suits to be sure, but they are an increasing minority. I ride the Metro so I have a lot of experience in a lot of neighborhoods steadily on foot. I've seen the same kind of vibe in San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego, Portland etc etc..

 And again, the president doesn't even rock a suit anymore! In fact, he takes his jacket off so often I wonder why he even wears a suit, wouldn't he be better off with probation officer look of a nice dress patterned dress shirt with no tie? The white office shirt without a tie and jacket just looks tacky if you as me, and come on, he is the president!

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« Reply #64 on: December 07, 2011, 02:10:36 PM »

I wear a polo and kahkis with nice shoes usually.
I dont have my suit anymore and Im not sure if I would wear it if I did. I kind of look like a Mafia soldier when I do.

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We often hear from the more hyper- amongst us that we should dress simply and avoid bringing attention to ourselves.  The bolded outfit is probably the best way to go (for a man) when really trying to strive to follow the quote from St. Cyril posted earlier in this thread.  It's the most innocuous and plain "dress up" outfit which definitely fits the bill of "simple, tasteful, dignified and comfortable," that I mentioned previously as my rule of the thumb.  If on the cool side of things, long sleeve white or blue button down and/or sweater would also not be out of place.
it also helps that my work is directly across the street from my parish which also has PP wearing a polo and khaki Smiley
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« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2011, 04:10:41 PM »

Forgive my ignorance, but how is wearing a short sleeve shirt (such as a polo shirt, or short-sleeved dress shirt) immodest?

Because our muscular arms will obviously cause the women to pant with lust.
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« Reply #66 on: December 07, 2011, 04:34:54 PM »

Because our muscular arms will obviously cause the women to pant with lust.

Seriously?  Undecided

You must have a much younger and muscular group of men in your parish than I do in mine.

To find a man under 50 in my parish is a rare occurrence. Never mind one with bulging muscles!  laugh
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« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2011, 04:56:06 PM »

I live less than a hundred metres from a Church. Sometimes, if wasn't doing too much and I heard the bells ring, I used to get up and head to Church dressed in whatever I happened to be wearing at that moment. I don't do that any more, as the glares of disapproval made doing so too uncomfortable.

Church-going is becoming increasingly upsetting for me these days.
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« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2011, 04:58:08 PM »

Because our muscular arms will obviously cause the women to pant with lust.

Seriously?  Undecided

You must have a much younger and muscular group of men in your parish than I do in mine.

To find a man under 50 in my parish is a rare occurrence. Never mind one with bulging muscles!  laugh

These days, I would be glad to chance upon someone under 40 that hasn't spent the majority of the last few months/years in the gym. Of course, when such people come to Church twice a year, everything is on show. It does happen.
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« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2011, 05:09:59 PM »

I live less than a hundred metres from a Church. Sometimes, if wasn't doing too much and I heard the bells ring, I used to get up and head to Church dressed in whatever I happened to be wearing at that moment. I don't do that any more, as the glares of disapproval made doing so too uncomfortable.

Church-going is becoming increasingly upsetting for me these days.

it's too bad that you're getting upset at church.  just keep in mind that it's a hospital.  the people who are there are sick & in need of remedies & cures.  It also helps to get to know some people at the church & become friends with them.  This will in turn help you when you happen to "slip up" with social graces. 
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« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2011, 05:44:51 PM »

I live less than a hundred metres from a Church. Sometimes, if wasn't doing too much and I heard the bells ring, I used to get up and head to Church dressed in whatever I happened to be wearing at that moment. I don't do that any more, as the glares of disapproval made doing so too uncomfortable.

Church-going is becoming increasingly upsetting for me these days.

it's too bad that you're getting upset at church.  just keep in mind that it's a hospital.  the people who are there are sick & in need of remedies & cures.  It also helps to get to know some people at the church & become friends with them.  This will in turn help you when you happen to "slip up" with social graces. 

Thank you for the encouragement, Father.

I know that by getting upset I am engaging in something of an implicit judgment of everyone else, but it's difficult feeling alienated from your own parish.
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St John (Maximovitch) the Wonderworker would not allow anyone serving at the altar to wear a tie because to him it signified a hangman's noose, and symbols of death had no place in the sanctuary (it was also reminiscent of Judas' betrayal). 

Ha, I was thinking the same thing.  Christ says to take up our crosses and follow him, not our nooses!  Fitting, this coming from St. John the Wonderworker, a saint I pray to more often than most.
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« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2011, 07:34:03 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

From my own limited observations, it seems like few Orthodox men wear formal clothing to church. By this I mean a suit and tie. Folks usually wear at least a nice shirt and slacks, but few wear a coat, and even fewer wear a tie. I even remember reading somewhere that it is not traditional For Orthodox men to wear ties because of vanity.

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ALL the babyboomer aged Ethiopian men dress in complete, 3 and even 5 piece suits, and still even on the hottest day of summer also wear their prayer shawls.  However, the younger men do not.  We either rock what I call the "probation officer" look which is a nice dress shirt, no tie, and slacks with wing-tips or other dress shoes.  Then there is also folks like myself who rock the "teacher" look, white khakis and white patterned dress shirts (wearing all white is the ideal in the Church for Liturgy, especially when Communing).  Some folks even come in very casual, but this is less common, however doesn't seem to frowned upon socially.  I would wear a suit but it seems like it may be a bit pretentious considering all the other younger men do not.  I've only been to the Church once in my life in a shirt without a collar, and that was an accident! Further, we usually wear prayer shawls, both men and women, and so this sort of sanctifies what ever we happen to be wearing.  Church clothes are called "yekit lebs" or clothes that are set aside.



Also, here in the US the suit is going out of style, even the president never rocks it anymore! The probation officer look is in, even for job interviews and weddings.  Even when I'd LIKE to wear a suit (and I have several very nice ones hanging in my closet) it always seems that it would be over-dressed these days. When a good friend of mine was going through some Family Court drama, all the folks thought I was his lawyer because my suit was so nice.

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« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2011, 09:35:51 PM »

If I owned a suit jacket, I'd wear it on Sundays.  If I could tie a tie properly, I'd wear it on Sundays.  As I don't own a suit jacket and can't properly tie a tie, I wear a dress shirt and dress pants to Liturgy.
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« Reply #74 on: December 07, 2011, 10:26:46 PM »

If I owned a suit jacket, I'd wear it on Sundays.  If I could tie a tie properly, I'd wear it on Sundays.  As I don't own a suit jacket and can't properly tie a tie, I wear a dress shirt and dress pants to Liturgy.
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« Reply #75 on: December 07, 2011, 10:31:30 PM »

I've seen a range from casual (jeans and a t shirt) to suit and tie in my church. I've personally worn everything from a tie (I do have a couple of decent looking jackets that were given to me, I still need to have them tailored to fit before I can wear them) to the clothes I wore to work (in a factory) the night before. I wore sandals to my chrismation. My priest does send an email out every spring reminding the parish not too dress too immodestly or too casual (shorts are usually mentioned specifically) and another one around football season asking people not to wear their favorite jersey.

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« Reply #76 on: December 07, 2011, 10:49:21 PM »

I've seen a range from casual (jeans and a t shirt) to suit and tie in my church. I've personally worn everything from a tie (I do have a couple of decent looking jackets that were given to me, I still need to have them tailored to fit before I can wear them) to the clothes I wore to work (in a factory) the night before. I wore sandals to my chrismation. My priest does send an email out every spring reminding the parish not too dress too immodestly or too casual (shorts are usually mentioned specifically) and another one around football season asking people not to wear their favorite jersey.
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« Reply #77 on: December 07, 2011, 11:05:55 PM »

Well I go to an OCA Parish in the West Coast of the United States, NorCal to be specific. The weather is usually pretty moderate here, some of the older men wear suits, but most people just wear a dress shirt and some slacks. In the summer they'll wear a short-sleeved dress shirt. As for me, I'm 15, I usually just wear one of my four dress shirts, the same pair of black dress pants every Sunday and Vans shoes. If I owned a suit I would wear it to Liturgy, but, I do not.
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« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2011, 04:15:16 AM »

If I owned a suit jacket, I'd wear it on Sundays.  If I could tie a tie properly, I'd wear it on Sundays.  As I don't own a suit jacket and can't properly tie a tie, I wear a dress shirt and dress pants to Liturgy.
Try this. http://www.neckties.com/content/howtotieatie.html

That site looks like it might actually be useful.
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« Reply #79 on: December 08, 2011, 04:17:00 AM »

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« Reply #80 on: December 08, 2011, 04:45:49 AM »

What would you wear in front of CEO?
What would you wear in front of president of USA?
What would you wear in front of God, Creator of Universe, at Church.

My grandpa's generation, for every man there was the Church suit, the best one available. Usually at the death of the person the Church suit and shoes were donated in the name of departed person, thus moving in after life with the departed person. While I had a dream/vision about after life, everybody was wearing the Sunday suit.

Sunday suit was a great deal. Even seeing and playing near it was kind of forbidden as children as to not damage it. Maybe in back of the mind this was the suit for the after life so it had to be in great shape. You get in after life the shape at the moment of giving. So you don't want in Heaven near angels to get in a suit with a hole.

Visualize this. Location heaven. There is a banquet and God is at the front table. Angels and saints are nearby. Then you make an entrance. What do you want to wear? To make sure you are not in a wrong position, you can donate an extra suit for yourself today. I think Men's warehouse gives and extra suit for free, that can be moved right away in great condition to after life, by donating it right away to a person in need. Also you can donate in the name of relatives, children and such, so they have it in Heaven, even in the name ofanybody you want.

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« Reply #81 on: December 08, 2011, 10:55:36 AM »

To all those who don't have a suit or a tie, might I recommend my favorite store: Goodwill...
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« Reply #82 on: December 08, 2011, 11:14:40 AM »

Also, here in the US the suit is going out of style, even the president never rocks it anymore!

Spend some time walking the streets of NYC, Boston, or DC, and you will see quite the contrary. Speaking from experience of taking the NYC Subway daily, and the DC Metro at times, most men are dressed in suits.
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The other day I was in the midst of a bunch of lawyers arguing (all but one in suits, and the one non-lawyer had three pinky rings) that Blagojevich was not going to get more than 4/5 years, and I (not in a suit) was saying 14 years.  Guess who was right.

That said, I don't know if the suit is going out of style.  I wear one too.
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« Reply #83 on: December 08, 2011, 11:24:02 AM »

I wear a suit and tie with freshly laundered white shirt ironed by myself. If I did not have plenty of these personal items I would endeavor to wear the best I owned. I am not dressing for myself, my fellow worshipers, or the clergy but in respect.
Over the many years I have noted that my Greek parishes always had a more formal, unwritten, dress code and my Slavic parishes less so. But even in parishes with less formal attire, everyone was dressed to the best they could. And you know what? The priests were just delighted that the temple was full in any tradition.
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« Reply #84 on: December 08, 2011, 11:27:07 AM »

What would you wear in front of CEO?
What would you wear in front of president of USA?
What would you wear in front of God, Creator of Universe, at Church.

My grandpa's generation, for every man there was the Church suit, the best one available. Usually at the death of the person the Church suit and shoes were donated in the name of departed person, thus moving in after life with the departed person. While I had a dream/vision about after life, everybody was wearing the Sunday suit.

Sunday suit was a great deal. Even seeing and playing near it was kind of forbidden as children as to not damage it. Maybe in back of the mind this was the suit for the after life so it had to be in great shape. You get in after life the shape at the moment of giving. So you don't want in Heaven near angels to get in a suit with a hole.

Visualize this. Location heaven. There is a banquet and God is at the front table. Angels and saints are nearby. Then you make an entrance. What do you want to wear? To make sure you are not in a wrong position, you can donate an extra suit for yourself today. I think Men's warehouse gives and extra suit for free, that can be moved right away in great condition to after life, by donating it right away to a person in need. Also you can donate in the name of relatives, children and such, so they have it in Heaven, even in the name ofanybody you want.

At Holy liturgy God is present, coming to give his beloved people Holy Communion for eternal life. Angels and saints are present too.

This is actually a great point.  Many stores, especially now, offer buy one get one (or, in the case of Jos. A Bank, buy one, get TWO) free offers.  Thanks for bringing this up!
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« Reply #85 on: December 08, 2011, 11:38:03 AM »

Sometimes we need to be a bit more literal with Scripture. I can't help but think of the literal meaning of the wedding garment parable! One needs to remember where one is when in Church and how to dress. To this day, most of the times I have been to liturgy in ACROD, UOC and OCA in the northeast USA, the 'old fashioned' way of dressing neatly - but not ostentatiously - still prevails. Men with ties, maybe not a suit but a clean sport coat or sweater and women in skirts, some with modest pantsuits.
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« Reply #86 on: December 08, 2011, 11:59:37 AM »

What would you wear in front of CEO?
What would you wear in front of president of USA?
What would you wear in front of God, Creator of Universe, at Church.

My grandpa's generation, for every man there was the Church suit, the best one available. Usually at the death of the person the Church suit and shoes were donated in the name of departed person, thus moving in after life with the departed person. While I had a dream/vision about after life, everybody was wearing the Sunday suit.

Sunday suit was a great deal. Even seeing and playing near it was kind of forbidden as children as to not damage it. Maybe in back of the mind this was the suit for the after life so it had to be in great shape. You get in after life the shape at the moment of giving. So you don't want in Heaven near angels to get in a suit with a hole.

Visualize this. Location heaven. There is a banquet and God is at the front table. Angels and saints are nearby. Then you make an entrance. What do you want to wear? To make sure you are not in a wrong position, you can donate an extra suit for yourself today. I think Men's warehouse gives and extra suit for free, that can be moved right away in great condition to after life, by donating it right away to a person in need. Also you can donate in the name of relatives, children and such, so they have it in Heaven, even in the name ofanybody you want.
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« Reply #87 on: December 08, 2011, 03:50:14 PM »

What would you wear in front of CEO?
What would you wear in front of president of USA?
What would you wear in front of God, Creator of Universe, at Church.

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Almighty President of the Universe, receive our prayers!
Thrice Holy Elected Official of the Heavenly Federation, have mercy on us!

You know, the president of the USA rarely wears suits himself anymore. A good indicator that he won't be let into the Great Dread and Final Inauguration.
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« Reply #88 on: December 08, 2011, 04:23:21 PM »

I don't think its a question of suits and fedoras, but rather one's mindset in terms of how one views oneself in the presence of the Almighty. T-shirts, flip-flops and torn jeans are not usually viewed as appropriate in our society for functions other than everyday, casual activities. But, if that is all one has, than one should not fear worshiping in them.
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« Reply #89 on: December 08, 2011, 05:24:38 PM »

My personal opinion:

We ought to look our best when entering the house of God. Ideally, our outward appearance should be a reflection of our inward disposition. I think this is a very Orthodox idea. Our priests and bishops are vested in precious materials, to be a reflection of the dignity of their office. Our time period is the first in history when we actually prefer to dress down in public. In our parents' and grandparents' day, you wear suits even when leaving the house. I think this went along with the general seriousness they had with life. Our generation does not know what gravitas is. This era has no room for reverence and propriety, which have been set aside for weddings and graduations, etc.. These are the last remaining reminders of an "other world." We Orthodox, and traditional Christians in general, should be the first to correct this aberration in modern society.

Obviously, the poor should not be looked down upon for what they can and cannot afford. But this is something the Church has had to deal with from the very beginning. This ought not be an excuse to come to Church indecently. Notice that the poor still want to wear their best, like the widow who offered her two pennies. An yet we, who can bring ten bags of gold, offer the same two pennies.

The argument that since holy fools and monks dress poorly, we should do the same seems rather absurd to me. We should seek to imitate their humility. Sometimes humility means conforming to propriety. If anyone is inspired to take up the monastic habit, then good for them obviously, but the habit does not the monk make. And over-exaggerated humility is one of the best ways to fall in delusion.
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