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« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2012, 11:07:05 AM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

At least National Socialism has an ethos.

Vamrat sorta took words outta my mouth on another thread.

And now you take the exact ones!

Everyone get out of my mouth.
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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2012, 05:05:55 AM »

From what I understand, different yoga teachers place different levels of emphasis on the spiritual/religious aspects of yoga.

When I was at university in Wellington, the Hare Krishnas used to run yoga sessions, and after the stretching part everyone would sit on the floor and chant Hindu mantras. The yoga teacher deliberately obscured the religious aspects of the mantras - she told the class that a particular word referred to one's 'higher consciousness' when I knew for a fact that it was a name of the Hindu god Krishna. She told me that she didn't emphasise the religious aspects as she didn't want to drive people away.

Bottom line: try another kind of exercise like Pilates and stay away from yoga.
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« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2012, 05:39:59 AM »


That book is hilarious.
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« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2012, 11:08:48 AM »

For those interested in reading further try "Orthodoxy and The Religion of The Future" to get a solid view of the practices mentioned above.
We should take care bandying phrases like "satanic" around. However even something like Buddhism teaches that only through our own efforts can we achieve "enlightenment". These teachings are opposed to Christ because they reject the essential need we have of His grace. Those who are taught such things are clearly being led away from God and so we can safely say they are anti-Christ. As for those faiths such as Judaism and Islam,  they reject the divinity of Christ quite openly. Hinduism is simply paganism.
I personally would advise my folk to stay clear of yoga because it does have at its heart Hindu beliefs which, even if not espoused by the practicioner, are a part of what gives yoga its power. Similarly I don't encourage my own children to imagine witchcraft can ever be a good thing and os for my own family I choose not to introduce Barry Trotter.
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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2012, 01:19:27 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.
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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2012, 04:05:38 AM »

Bottom line: try another kind of exercise like Pilates and stay away from yoga.
Quite ironic, given that Pilates himself studied yoga, zen, Chinese martial arts, as well as Western forms of exercise.
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« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2012, 06:16:10 AM »

Reading Harry Potter leads to evil?
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« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2012, 07:10:37 AM »

Reading Harry Potter leads to evil?

Of course.


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« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2012, 02:40:42 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

Evil succeeds by convincing people that isn't evil.


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« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2012, 03:57:57 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

Evil succeeds by convincing people that isn't evil.


Selam
Or by convincing them that everything they dont particularly understand is evil.

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« Reply #55 on: October 13, 2012, 05:24:50 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

Evil succeeds by convincing people that isn't evil.


Selam
Or by convincing them that everything they dont particularly understand is evil.




You represent your forum name quite well.


Selam
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« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2012, 07:15:59 PM »

Reading Harry Potter leads to evil?

Of course.


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Well i guess to him its true.

i read harry potter before becoming Orthodox

I became Orthodox

Therefore Harry potter lead me to the evil orthodox

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« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2012, 07:21:47 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

Evil succeeds by convincing people that isn't evil.


Selam
Or by convincing them that everything they dont particularly understand is evil.




You represent your forum name quite well.


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« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2012, 08:26:20 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

Evil succeeds by convincing people that isn't evil.


Selam
Or by convincing them that everything they dont particularly understand is evil.




You represent your forum name quite well.


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Looks kosher to me.

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« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2012, 11:42:33 AM »

Father Seraphim Rose covered this topic in his book "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future".  It's a good book and I recommend it highly.
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« Reply #62 on: December 12, 2012, 11:01:02 AM »

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Yoga has become a big deal in America.  Everywhere you turn, it seems, there’s somebody with a yoga mat.  On their way to class.  To sweat and bend and get centered.  Limber.  Some say alive.  One of those “come to yoga” acolytes was Benjamin Lorr.  He went from chubby mess to yoga svelte.

And then on – to competitive yoga. Yes, there is competitive yoga.  His was hot, Bikram-style.  He found a lot of pain there.  And some joy.  And a lot of insight into the world of yoga.

This hour, On Point:  the body and mind-bending world of extreme yoga.
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« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2012, 02:32:01 PM »

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« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2012, 10:18:56 PM »


I've not read the book.  Are you saying the topic isn't mentioned in that book?
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« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2012, 10:22:15 PM »

Father Seraphim Rose

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Finally, something I can say yes to. Yes, you recommended this book.

Your comment led me to look up this book. 

Amazon sells it, and in the description of the text, it states:

ORTHODOXY AND THE RELIGION OF THE FUTURE examines in eight chapters these and similar questions facing Christians in the contemporary world. The religious phenomena of today are symptoms of a "new religious consciousness" that is preparing the world religion of the future. Phenomena such as Yoga, Zen, Tantra, Transcendental Meditation, Maharaj-ji, Hare Krishna, UFOs, ...

http://www.amazon.com/Orthodoxy-Religion-Future-Seraphim-Rose/dp/188790400X

...it actually sounds rather interesting.
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« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2012, 12:19:47 AM »

Amazon sells it, and in the description of the text, it states:

ORTHODOXY AND THE RELIGION OF THE FUTURE examines in eight chapters these and similar questions facing Christians in the contemporary world. The religious phenomena of today are symptoms of a "new religious consciousness" that is preparing the world religion of the future. Phenomena such as Yoga, Zen, Tantra, Transcendental Meditation, Maharaj-ji, Hare Krishna, UFOs, ...

http://www.amazon.com/Orthodoxy-Religion-Future-Seraphim-Rose/dp/188790400X

...it actually sounds rather interesting.

It is a very good book and highly recommended.  While it is a bit dated, it is still very timely and helps in gaining an understanding of the historical roots of much contemporary religious and spiritual phenomena outside of Orthodoxy. 
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« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2012, 03:04:10 AM »

Klaus Kenneth, a famous orthodox convert and a disciple of Elder Sophrony, who practiced Yoga for SEVEN  years says clearly what Yoga really is on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSF2ftcpfw

His life story is very interesting.  (his book: "born to  hate reborn to love")
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« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2012, 09:06:41 AM »

Klaus Kenneth, a famous orthodox convert and a disciple of Elder Sophrony, who practiced Yoga for SEVEN  years says clearly what Yoga really is on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSF2ftcpfw

His life story is very interesting.  (his book: "born to  hate reborn to love")
Kenneth says that the Hindus know that every "asana", or yoga pose, is linked to a Hindu Deity. Well, some Hindus have also linked every vowel and consonant to a Hindu Deity as well -- or to be more precise, to a Divine aspect.

Do the Hindus have a monopoly on shavasana, just because it may be linked to an aspect of the Divine as understood by Hindus?
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« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2012, 09:35:58 AM »

I think my sister (well, in reality my very close cousin), is a good example. She used to be pious Roman Catholic (attending many services and some youth meetings, singing in choir and so on), but she started practicing yoga. In the beginning her behaviour was normal, but then she became a vegetarian, gave up the Church. She's been reading some Buddhist books (even for Christmas I was given such book by her). This revolution had started with yoga.
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« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2012, 11:13:29 AM »

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« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2012, 02:06:44 PM »

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Kenneth says that the Hindus know that every "asana", or yoga pose, is linked to a Hindu Deity. Well, some Hindus have also linked every vowel and consonant to a Hindu Deity as well -- or to be more precise, to a Divine aspect.

Do the Hindus have a monopoly on shavasana, just because it may be linked to an aspect of the Divine as understood by Hindus?

The problem is, that the Hindus invented Yoga out of spiritual need(tool for meditation), spiritual search and they linked it to a Hindu Deity. Yoga was at the very beginning impure and unholy. Vowels and constants didn't came into existence out of a spiritual need. It's a part of our nature. And sure, you can link a part of your nature to a deity, it's just a misuse of the nature, of the original purpose. But Yoga is not a part of our nature; there's no neutral root of Yoga. And today people try to make from a unholy, impure thing, something neutral. :/

And why should I use relaxation practice with Yoga, to calm with it "shattered nerves and relieve sensations of fatigue"? I think a spiritual person (I'm not) don't need that or somebody who tries to be spiritual (in an orthodox way). When you live daily in an atmosphere of repentance, you'll by and by overcome your physical and mental weakness. And when you try to overcome it with Yoga, you'll not learn to overcome some weakness by Grace of God. For example when I use Yoga against impure thoughts, then Christ will loose more and more his role in your spiritual way of salvation, of theosis. When I use it against mental weakness, that I'll never learn to overcome it with the grace of God, with prayer, with humility, with repentance.
Yoga is so attractive, because the effect comes very fast. But the orthodox way of life is a battle, and some effects come just after some months or years. And so (orthodox) people try to overcome some "neutral" part of their life with Yoga.

I think in general people who practiced Yoga before they became orthodox, they stop with it, because they know and feel the danger, but people who start with Yoga as orthodox believer they've difficulties to understand the danger of Yoga.
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