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« on: November 29, 2011, 05:59:35 PM »

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Father Gabriele Amorth, who for years was the Vatican’s chief exorcist and claims to have cleansed hundreds of people of evil spirits, said yoga is Satanic because it leads to a worship of Hinduism and “all eastern religions are based on a false belief in reincarnation”.
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“Practising yoga is Satanic, it leads to evil just like reading Harry Potter,” he told a film festival in Umbria this week, where he was invited to introduce The Rite, a film about exorcism starring Sir Anthony Hopkins as a Jesuit priest.
 
“In Harry Potter the Devil acts in a crafty and covert manner, under the guise of extraordinary powers, magic spells and curses,” said the priest, who in 1986 was appointed the chief exorcist for the Diocese of Rome.
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 06:32:35 PM »

Put this one up with the fatwa against samozas
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 06:44:04 PM »

Attacking Yoga and Harry Potter in the same sentence?

Although I do agree with his statement, there is going to be a lot of outrage expressed here by Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and others. The Harry Potter series is being promoted in most public and private schools.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 06:51:17 PM »

There are better exercise programs one can do instead. I have a book on the U.S. Army's calisthenics system, and it's pretty rigorous.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 07:04:47 PM »

There are better exercise programs one can do instead. I have a book on the U.S. Army's calisthenics system, and it's pretty rigorous.

Is that book available on Amazon?

Any links?
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 07:09:18 PM »

This is the one I have. Very thorough.

U.S. Army Fitness Training Handbook

The second one, I don't have, but it looks pretty good too.

The U.S. Army Total Fitness Program
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 07:12:37 PM »

Pilates is yoga without all of the spiritual stuff added to it.

However, on the occasion I do yoga for my fibromyalgia, I'm usually blasting obnoxious techno music. Most demons tend to stay away from that. At least I think so.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 07:17:46 PM »

This is the one I have. Very thorough.

U.S. Army Fitness Training Handbook

The second one, I don't have, but it looks pretty good too.

The U.S. Army Total Fitness Program

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 07:19:40 PM »

Pilates is yoga without all of the spiritual stuff added to it.

The notion that something can be free of "spiritual stuff" is also spiritual stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 07:25:35 PM »

Pilates is yoga without all of the spiritual stuff added to it.

The notion that something can be free of "spiritual stuff" is also spiritual stuff.
I know where you are going, but there is an obvious difference between pilates and yoga as they are practiced in their strictest definition. Not that I find it too much of an issue -- I do both depending on what I need at the moment. But otherwise than breathing exercises for both, I just use some yoga positions to relieve pain in some areas of my body. My friend who practices yoga actively tells me that I'm doing it "wrong." I know. Smiley

I've never done yoga with an instructor or anything, though. I first practiced pilates when I was a ballet dancer -- they have no mercy. Pilates can be really intense!
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 07:40:55 PM »

Pilates is yoga without all of the spiritual stuff added to it.

However, on the occasion I do yoga for my fibromyalgia, I'm usually blasting obnoxious techno music. Most demons tend to stay away from that. At least I think so.

Try again.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 07:41:11 PM »

I'm hesitant to practice yoga because of its pagan background. But I'm also hesitant to call it demonic. We've made use of lots of pagan things in the past, baptizing it, and making it Christian.

I think it's a bit silly when people call Karate demonic, too. All Asian kids grow up going to Karate!
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 07:48:10 PM »

There are better exercise programs one can do instead. I have a book on the U.S. Army's calisthenics system, and it's pretty rigorous.

Is that book available on Amazon?

Any links?

You could always do the 5BX, the fitness much regarded fitness of the Canadian Royal Air Force.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 08:15:56 PM »

This is the one I have. Very thorough.

U.S. Army Fitness Training Handbook

The second one, I don't have, but it looks pretty good too.

The U.S. Army Total Fitness Program



Cool

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You're welcome.   Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 08:26:11 PM »

“all eastern religions are based on a false belief in reincarnation”.

Isn't Christianity an eastern religion?
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 08:37:05 PM »

Isn't Christianity an eastern religion?

Not if Jerusalem is considered the centre of the world.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 09:32:11 PM »

this priest is spot on!
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2011, 10:03:27 PM »

There are better exercise programs one can do instead. I have a book on the U.S. Army's calisthenics system, and it's pretty rigorous.

Is that book available on Amazon?

Any links?

You could always do the 5BX, the fitness much regarded fitness of the Canadian Royal Air Force.

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Isn't Christianity an eastern religion?

Not if Jerusalem is considered the centre of the world.

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 10:25:21 PM »

Attacking Yoga and Harry Potter in the same sentence?

Although I do agree with his statement, there is going to be a lot of outrage expressed here by Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and others. The Harry Potter series is being promoted in most public and private schools.

and Hello Kitty....
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2011, 11:47:57 AM »

I have to agree with the exorcist on this one. Yoga is highly dangerous. When taken to its extreme you end up mutating your body and breathing fire. See?




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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2011, 11:56:41 AM »

The Sanskrit "yoga" is cognate with the English "yoke" (and the Greek "zugos"), with all of them associated with the general meaning of join, joining, and to join.

From a Hindu perspective, Jesus introduced a Christian Yoga. Matthew 11:29-30:

Take my yoga upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoga is easy, and my burden is light.

It's interesting that the Greek origin of "devil", "diabolos", can mean division, separation; which is the opposite of yoga, which is joining, a coming together. So yoga is the exact opposite of Satan.
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2011, 12:02:14 PM »

Attacking Yoga and Harry Potter in the same sentence?

Although I do agree with his statement, there is going to be a lot of outrage expressed here by Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and others. The Harry Potter series is being promoted in most public and private schools.

and Hello Kitty....
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2011, 12:53:35 PM »

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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2011, 01:05:56 AM »

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Father Gabriele Amorth, who for years was the Vatican’s chief exorcist and claims to have cleansed hundreds of people of evil spirits, said yoga is Satanic because it leads to a worship of Hinduism and “all eastern religions are based on a false belief in reincarnation”.
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“Practising yoga is Satanic, it leads to evil just like reading Harry Potter,” he told a film festival in Umbria this week, where he was invited to introduce The Rite, a film about exorcism starring Sir Anthony Hopkins as a Jesuit priest.
 
“In Harry Potter the Devil acts in a crafty and covert manner, under the guise of extraordinary powers, magic spells and curses,” said the priest, who in 1986 was appointed the chief exorcist for the Diocese of Rome.

Has this fellow even read Harry Potter?
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2011, 01:19:25 AM »

Probably not.

I remember when there were the riots over The Satanic Verses. My Mom and I were watching the news. I said, "How many of these people do you think have read the book?"

She said, "Zero."
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2011, 02:03:14 AM »

Dhalsim: yoga flame!
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2011, 02:21:27 AM »

There is a difference between asanas, which are exercises associated with yoga, and yoga meditation.

Asanas are exercises that prepare the body for the long hours of rigid stillness that meditation requires.  They are not really metaphysical practices.  In the US and most of the West, the asanas are what most people call 'yoga,' though a true yogi would laugh at such an idea.

So, Fr. Amorth is right to condemn yoga, because it is a self-centric meditation system which relies on a great deal of metaphysical presuppositions that Christians reject, the first being 'enlightenment' without Christ.

However, I don't think there is any condemnation of asanas, just as we do not condemn doctors for using the Caduceus as a sign of their practice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus).  After all, so long as the asanas are done without the metaphysical elements or the intention of engaging in pagan rituals, they are just body-building techniques.
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Father Gabriele Amorth, who for years was the Vatican’s chief exorcist and claims to have cleansed hundreds of people of evil spirits, said yoga is Satanic because it leads to a worship of Hinduism and “all eastern religions are based on a false belief in reincarnation”.
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Dhalsim: yoga flame!

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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2011, 05:45:03 PM »

I don't do yoga anyway. I prefer weightlifting.
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2011, 06:42:14 PM »

Attacking Yoga and Harry Potter in the same sentence?

Although I do agree with his statement, there is going to be a lot of outrage expressed here by Catholics, Orthodox Christians, and others. The Harry Potter series is being promoted in most public and private schools.

and Hello Kitty....


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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2011, 06:57:13 PM »

I don't do yoga anyway. I prefer weightlifting.

Then you should definitely be doing yoga. I hate yoga, don't get me wrong, that stuff's hard, painful, and miserable; but, when you plateau a strong stretching regimen, like yoga along with slow deep squats and really slow and deep flys, will help you break out of it and get to the next level.
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2011, 07:28:59 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2011, 07:37:03 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Is the above quote of Christ?

Let me know, so I know whether to toss it in with the Def Leopard albums into the bon fire. Their drummer only used three limbs, obviously mocking the Trinity.

 
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2011, 08:22:30 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

I find it interesting that you class what are honest attempts to reach out to God along with Nazism and Racism. While Nazism and Racism certainly are the antipathy of all that is good, can one say the same thing of religions that we don't agree with? As pagan as we consider them, surely these other faiths can be nothing more than misguided and misinformed. That anyone seeks God, even by what we consider the most torturous of paths, leaves them open to the truth, something that surely bugs satan to all heck.
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Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Is the above quote of Christ?

Let me know, so I know whether to toss it in with the Def Leopard albums into the bon fire. Their drummer only used three limbs, obviously mocking the Trinity.

 



LOL! That was funny. Grin

But to be fair, I think Balthasar is clearly citing philosophies, religions, and ideologies that are opposed to Christian Truth- not artistic genres (although some artistic genres may very well be demonic; but that's another issue, and I don't have a firm opinion about that yet).


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Instructor Cori Withell from Hampshire said her yoga and pilates classes at St Edmund's Church building in Southampton were cancelled with 10 days to go.

Father John Chandler said that the hall had to be used for Catholic activities, and he banned it because it was advertised as "spiritual yoga".
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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2012, 12:18:46 AM »

The Sanskrit "yoga" is cognate with the English "yoke" (and the Greek "zugos"), with all of them associated with the general meaning of join, joining, and to join.

From a Hindu perspective, Jesus introduced a Christian Yoga. Matthew 11:29-30:

Take my yoga upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoga is easy, and my burden is light.

It's interesting that the Greek origin of "devil", "diabolos", can mean division, separation; which is the opposite of yoga, which is joining, a coming together. So yoga is the exact opposite of Satan.

Yoga comes from India. Aryans come from India. Aryans sound just like Arians. Therefore, yoga is heresy.
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« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2012, 12:21:31 AM »

There is a difference between asanas, which are exercises associated with yoga, and yoga meditation.

Asanas are exercises that prepare the body for the long hours of rigid stillness that meditation requires.  They are not really metaphysical practices.  In the US and most of the West, the asanas are what most people call 'yoga,' though a true yogi would laugh at such an idea.

So, Fr. Amorth is right to condemn yoga, because it is a self-centric meditation system which relies on a great deal of metaphysical presuppositions that Christians reject, the first being 'enlightenment' without Christ.

However, I don't think there is any condemnation of asanas, just as we do not condemn doctors for using the Caduceus as a sign of their practice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus).  After all, so long as the asanas are done without the metaphysical elements or the intention of engaging in pagan rituals, they are just body-building techniques.


What about the ethos of the arsanas? "Namaste," etc. I have the same question about karate and the perspective that comes with it.
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« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2012, 12:23:46 AM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

At least National Socialism has an ethos.
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Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

And Macs. Mustn't forget those.
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Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

At least National Socialism has an ethos.

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Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

At least National Socialism has an ethos.

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Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

At least National Socialism has an ethos.

Vamrat sorta took words outta my mouth on another thread.

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« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2012, 05:05:55 AM »

From what I understand, different yoga teachers place different levels of emphasis on the spiritual/religious aspects of yoga.

When I was at university in Wellington, the Hare Krishnas used to run yoga sessions, and after the stretching part everyone would sit on the floor and chant Hindu mantras. The yoga teacher deliberately obscured the religious aspects of the mantras - she told the class that a particular word referred to one's 'higher consciousness' when I knew for a fact that it was a name of the Hindu god Krishna. She told me that she didn't emphasise the religious aspects as she didn't want to drive people away.

Bottom line: try another kind of exercise like Pilates and stay away from yoga.
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That book is hilarious.
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For those interested in reading further try "Orthodoxy and The Religion of The Future" to get a solid view of the practices mentioned above.
We should take care bandying phrases like "satanic" around. However even something like Buddhism teaches that only through our own efforts can we achieve "enlightenment". These teachings are opposed to Christ because they reject the essential need we have of His grace. Those who are taught such things are clearly being led away from God and so we can safely say they are anti-Christ. As for those faiths such as Judaism and Islam,  they reject the divinity of Christ quite openly. Hinduism is simply paganism.
I personally would advise my folk to stay clear of yoga because it does have at its heart Hindu beliefs which, even if not espoused by the practicioner, are a part of what gives yoga its power. Similarly I don't encourage my own children to imagine witchcraft can ever be a good thing and os for my own family I choose not to introduce Barry Trotter.
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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2012, 01:19:27 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.
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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2012, 04:05:38 AM »

Bottom line: try another kind of exercise like Pilates and stay away from yoga.
Quite ironic, given that Pilates himself studied yoga, zen, Chinese martial arts, as well as Western forms of exercise.
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Reading Harry Potter leads to evil?
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« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2012, 02:40:42 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

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« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2012, 03:57:57 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

Evil succeeds by convincing people that isn't evil.


Selam
Or by convincing them that everything they dont particularly understand is evil.

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Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

Evil succeeds by convincing people that isn't evil.


Selam
Or by convincing them that everything they dont particularly understand is evil.




You represent your forum name quite well.


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« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2012, 07:21:47 PM »

Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

Evil succeeds by convincing people that isn't evil.


Selam
Or by convincing them that everything they dont particularly understand is evil.




You represent your forum name quite well.


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Why is it that many 'Christians' have difficulties in saying everything which is not of Christ as being satanic? Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Mormonism, Capitalism, Communism, Islamism, Nazism, Racism are all from Satan, aren't they?

Bottom line is: because it can lead you away from Christ!
As far as satanic...that's a stretch but some might be.

I think he was trying to make Ppl stay away from these things because it leads one away from Christ.

I know from 1st hand experience.

All my youth i was heavily into martial arts (someone was asking abet karate-so listen up) started with various m-arts schools...stretching exercises, forms...one school class started with meditation before class, Asian philosophy, some had incense burning and a Buddha statue...eventually as i got very much into the mediation side, as the shaolin monks which i idolised. next thing i know I'm Buddhist and wasted twenty years+ into Buddhism. until one day i woke up.

bottom line is it has the potential to take you away from Christ! its very subtle.


Indeed. Well stated.

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Selam
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Looks kosher to me.

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Father Seraphim Rose covered this topic in his book "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future".  It's a good book and I recommend it highly.
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Yoga has become a big deal in America.  Everywhere you turn, it seems, there’s somebody with a yoga mat.  On their way to class.  To sweat and bend and get centered.  Limber.  Some say alive.  One of those “come to yoga” acolytes was Benjamin Lorr.  He went from chubby mess to yoga svelte.

And then on – to competitive yoga. Yes, there is competitive yoga.  His was hot, Bikram-style.  He found a lot of pain there.  And some joy.  And a lot of insight into the world of yoga.

This hour, On Point:  the body and mind-bending world of extreme yoga.
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I've not read the book.  Are you saying the topic isn't mentioned in that book?
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« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2012, 10:22:15 PM »

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Your comment led me to look up this book. 

Amazon sells it, and in the description of the text, it states:

ORTHODOXY AND THE RELIGION OF THE FUTURE examines in eight chapters these and similar questions facing Christians in the contemporary world. The religious phenomena of today are symptoms of a "new religious consciousness" that is preparing the world religion of the future. Phenomena such as Yoga, Zen, Tantra, Transcendental Meditation, Maharaj-ji, Hare Krishna, UFOs, ...

http://www.amazon.com/Orthodoxy-Religion-Future-Seraphim-Rose/dp/188790400X

...it actually sounds rather interesting.
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Amazon sells it, and in the description of the text, it states:

ORTHODOXY AND THE RELIGION OF THE FUTURE examines in eight chapters these and similar questions facing Christians in the contemporary world. The religious phenomena of today are symptoms of a "new religious consciousness" that is preparing the world religion of the future. Phenomena such as Yoga, Zen, Tantra, Transcendental Meditation, Maharaj-ji, Hare Krishna, UFOs, ...

http://www.amazon.com/Orthodoxy-Religion-Future-Seraphim-Rose/dp/188790400X

...it actually sounds rather interesting.

It is a very good book and highly recommended.  While it is a bit dated, it is still very timely and helps in gaining an understanding of the historical roots of much contemporary religious and spiritual phenomena outside of Orthodoxy. 
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Klaus Kenneth, a famous orthodox convert and a disciple of Elder Sophrony, who practiced Yoga for SEVEN  years says clearly what Yoga really is on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSF2ftcpfw

His life story is very interesting.  (his book: "born to  hate reborn to love")
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« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2012, 09:06:41 AM »

Klaus Kenneth, a famous orthodox convert and a disciple of Elder Sophrony, who practiced Yoga for SEVEN  years says clearly what Yoga really is on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSF2ftcpfw

His life story is very interesting.  (his book: "born to  hate reborn to love")
Kenneth says that the Hindus know that every "asana", or yoga pose, is linked to a Hindu Deity. Well, some Hindus have also linked every vowel and consonant to a Hindu Deity as well -- or to be more precise, to a Divine aspect.

Do the Hindus have a monopoly on shavasana, just because it may be linked to an aspect of the Divine as understood by Hindus?
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« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2012, 09:35:58 AM »

I think my sister (well, in reality my very close cousin), is a good example. She used to be pious Roman Catholic (attending many services and some youth meetings, singing in choir and so on), but she started practicing yoga. In the beginning her behaviour was normal, but then she became a vegetarian, gave up the Church. She's been reading some Buddhist books (even for Christmas I was given such book by her). This revolution had started with yoga.
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Kenneth says that the Hindus know that every "asana", or yoga pose, is linked to a Hindu Deity. Well, some Hindus have also linked every vowel and consonant to a Hindu Deity as well -- or to be more precise, to a Divine aspect.

Do the Hindus have a monopoly on shavasana, just because it may be linked to an aspect of the Divine as understood by Hindus?

The problem is, that the Hindus invented Yoga out of spiritual need(tool for meditation), spiritual search and they linked it to a Hindu Deity. Yoga was at the very beginning impure and unholy. Vowels and constants didn't came into existence out of a spiritual need. It's a part of our nature. And sure, you can link a part of your nature to a deity, it's just a misuse of the nature, of the original purpose. But Yoga is not a part of our nature; there's no neutral root of Yoga. And today people try to make from a unholy, impure thing, something neutral. :/

And why should I use relaxation practice with Yoga, to calm with it "shattered nerves and relieve sensations of fatigue"? I think a spiritual person (I'm not) don't need that or somebody who tries to be spiritual (in an orthodox way). When you live daily in an atmosphere of repentance, you'll by and by overcome your physical and mental weakness. And when you try to overcome it with Yoga, you'll not learn to overcome some weakness by Grace of God. For example when I use Yoga against impure thoughts, then Christ will loose more and more his role in your spiritual way of salvation, of theosis. When I use it against mental weakness, that I'll never learn to overcome it with the grace of God, with prayer, with humility, with repentance.
Yoga is so attractive, because the effect comes very fast. But the orthodox way of life is a battle, and some effects come just after some months or years. And so (orthodox) people try to overcome some "neutral" part of their life with Yoga.

I think in general people who practiced Yoga before they became orthodox, they stop with it, because they know and feel the danger, but people who start with Yoga as orthodox believer they've difficulties to understand the danger of Yoga.
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NEW DELHI (AP) — Indian yoga guru B.K.S. Iyengar, who helped popularize yoga around the world and authored 17 books on the subject, died Wednesday at age 95.
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Iyengar created his own brand of yoga, called "Iyengar yoga," and established studios in 72 countries where yoga practitioners are taught ways to improve breathing, concentration and meditation.
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In a condolence message, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi described Iyengar as "a fine guru, scholar and a stalwart who brought yoga into the lives of many across the world."
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NEW DELHI (AP) — Indian yoga guru B.K.S. Iyengar, who helped popularize yoga around the world and authored 17 books on the subject, died Wednesday at age 95.
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Iyengar created his own brand of yoga, called "Iyengar yoga," and established studios in 72 countries where yoga practitioners are taught ways to improve breathing, concentration and meditation.
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In a condolence message, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi described Iyengar as "a fine guru, scholar and a stalwart who brought yoga into the lives of many across the world."

Before entering the Orthodox Church, I practiced BKS Iyengar yoga for years under senior level teachers who had over 30 years of training under Iyengar himself.  As I moved towards Orthodoxy, however, I came to see my yoga practice spritually clashing with the Orthodox worldview and spiritual culture.  The more I moved towards Orthodoxy, the more I became convinced that yoga is incompatible with Orthodox praxis and spiritual development.  Yoga leads to the experience of one's created nature, one's created spirit, but not to the experience of the Uncreated God.  Yet, in yoga it is taught that the Self is God.  Mistaking the created for the Uncreated, this is the biggest delusion and the biggest obstacle to knowing the Uncreated God.  This is the same delusion that Lucifer fell into.  Through contemplation of his own created beauty, he thought himself to be greater than the Uncreated God. 

The goal of Orthodoxy is theosis, and this theosis is arrived at through baptism, participation in the grace-filled mysteries of the Church, and becoming a vessel of God's grace through repentance, humility, love, and obedience to Christ.  Yoga is a means by which we can psychosomatically produce experiences which seem "spiritual" and "mystical", but they ultimately lead further and further away from Christ and deeper into demonic delusion.
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« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2014, 10:53:50 AM »

I did some yoga.  I didn't experience any created nature or mystical contemplation, but I did get some muscles stretched out that were bothering me, so all in all, I consider it a positive.
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« Reply #75 on: August 21, 2014, 11:10:35 AM »

Yoga leads to the experience of one's created nature, one's created spirit, but not to the experience of the Uncreated God.  Yet, in yoga it is taught that the Self is God.

Not sure if something is lost in translation there, but I've never been told outright that the self is God - more that the self, everyone's self, is a spark of the divine, and thus deserving of respect. That's what 'namaste' says in a single word.

Anyone who picks up or perseveres in yoga in order to experience God is bound to be disappointed and create in their minds what the discipline is not equipped to give them - the very definition of prelest, if I remember right.
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Yoga leads to the experience of one's created nature, one's created spirit, but not to the experience of the Uncreated God.  Yet, in yoga it is taught that the Self is God.

Not sure if something is lost in translation there, but I've never been told outright that the self is God - more that the self, everyone's self, is a spark of the divine, and thus deserving of respect. That's what 'namaste' says in a single word.

Anyone who picks up or perseveres in yoga in order to experience God is bound to be disappointed and create in their minds what the discipline is not equipped to give them - the very definition of prelest, if I remember right.

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the aim of all yoga practice is to achieve truth wherein the individual soul identifies itself with the supreme soul of God.


Bhagavad Gita 13.12-17

I shall tell you of the soul. The soul is God who is immortal and infinite, who has no beginning and will have no end, and who both exists and does not exist. Those who know the soul, are immortal.

The soul dwells in every living being, and in every part of every living being; it dwells in the hand and the foot, the skull and the mouth, the eye and the ear. Although it does not itself have senses, it shines through every sense. It is completely independent, yet all beings depend on it.

The soul is both near every living being, and far from every being. The soul is both inside and outside every living being. The soul is the cause of movement, but does not itself move. The soul is one, yet has innumerable forms. The soul creates, preserves, and destroys.

The soul is the light of every light; and its light transcends the duality of brightness and darkness. The soul is the light of knowledge; and its light is also the goal of knowledge. In the soul the subject and object of knowledge are one.

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« Reply #77 on: August 21, 2014, 11:34:45 AM »

<snip for brevity>

Anything that someone would hear at the Tuesday evening drop-in class (which has negligible chances of being Sivananda)?
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Anything that someone would hear at the Tuesday evening drop-in class (which has negligible chances of being Sivananda)?

An interesting crossover between Swami Sivananda and the Orthodox Nun, Sister 'Mother' Gavrilia occured when she did some work at his ashram. She reported
 
'At one point when she was working in the dispensary of the ashram of Sivananda, his disciple, Chichananda, became angry in a public lecture and lost his calm. He was very sorry for this, and later said to her, “Did you hear what happened to me? Is there any book you can give me?” He was looking at her as a person who had a kind of asceticism and spirituality. He did not know this kind of Christianity. He knew the other – the active, the social, the missionary schools of other denominations. So she gave him the Philokalia. He was quite impressed, and the next thing he did was to visit Mount Athos. A Hindu monk, can you imagine?'

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Yoga leads to the experience of one's created nature, one's created spirit, but not to the experience of the Uncreated God.  Yet, in yoga it is taught that the Self is God.  
Well, there's "yoga" and then there's Yoga, one of the six classical systems of Hindu philosophy. Small "y" yoga can refer to any sort of practice in which comm/union with the Divine is cultivated, and one can adopt many different viewpoints on the soul/Divine relationship (soul and God are absolutely one; soul and God are in some sense one, in another sense distinct; soul and God are totally separate) for any particular yoga.

But the classical Yoga, exemplified by the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, talks about "Ishvara", the Supreme Being, who is eternally free of afflictions and actions, unconditioned by time, the Teacher of the ancients. Devotion to Ishvara, or "God", is one way to realize moksha, or true freedom. Moksha, in one sense, is union with Ishvara (because one realizes the true nature of one's soul, which is the same as the true nature of Ishvara), but in another sense, is simply communion with Ishvara (because only Ishvara has been free from all eternity).
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Before entering the Orthodox Church, I practiced BKS Iyengar yoga for years under senior level teachers who had over 30 years of training under Iyengar himself.  As I moved towards Orthodoxy, however, I came to see my yoga practice spritually clashing with the Orthodox worldview and spiritual culture.  The more I moved towards Orthodoxy, the more I became convinced that yoga is incompatible with Orthodox praxis and spiritual development.  Yoga leads to the experience of one's created nature, one's created spirit, but not to the experience of the Uncreated God.  Yet, in yoga it is taught that the Self is God.  Mistaking the created for the Uncreated, this is the biggest delusion and the biggest obstacle to knowing the Uncreated God.  This is the same delusion that Lucifer fell into.  Through contemplation of his own created beauty, he thought himself to be greater than the Uncreated God. 

And that is the ultimate definition of narcissism.

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It is also interesting to note that one of the documents being prepared for the proposed Council in 1916 condemns Yoga.
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It is also interesting to note that one of the documents being prepared for the proposed Council in 1916 condemns Yoga.

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It is also interesting to note that one of the documents being prepared for the proposed Council in 1916 condemns Yoga.

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It is also interesting to note that one of the documents being prepared for the proposed Council in 1916 condemns Yoga.

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2016? If so, can you provide a reference?
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It is also interesting to note that one of the documents being prepared for the proposed Council in 1916 condemns Yoga.

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2016? If so, can you provide a reference?

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This Council of 2016 has been in preparation since the 20th century. Almost a 100 years in the making, if not more.

Well, there was a recent thread about the condemnation of yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, etc.

I cannot find it. The only thread that comes up is this one.
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The poses sometimes look sexually suggestive to me....is that a Satanic influence?
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The poses sometimes look sexually suggestive to me....is that a Satanic influence?

As long as you don't start twitching over backflesh, you'll be fine.
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I am still in the 20th century.  laugh
This Council of 2016 has been in preparation since the 20th century. Almost a 100 years in the making, if not more.

Well, there was a recent thread about the condemnation of yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, etc.

I cannot find it. The only thread that comes up is this one.
I tried pre-conciliar documents, Council of 2016, homeopathy, yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, but struck out.

Were you thinking of this thread?
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I am still in the 20th century.  laugh
This Council of 2016 has been in preparation since the 20th century. Almost a 100 years in the making, if not more.

Well, there was a recent thread about the condemnation of yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, etc.

I cannot find it. The only thread that comes up is this one.
I tried pre-conciliar documents, Council of 2016, homeopathy, yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, but struck out.

Were you thinking of this thread?

Yes, thank you. How did you ever find it?
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« Reply #89 on: August 21, 2014, 05:55:18 PM »

I am still in the 20th century.  laugh
This Council of 2016 has been in preparation since the 20th century. Almost a 100 years in the making, if not more.

Well, there was a recent thread about the condemnation of yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, etc.

I cannot find it. The only thread that comes up is this one.
I tried pre-conciliar documents, Council of 2016, homeopathy, yoga, witchcraft, reflexology, but struck out.

Were you thinking of this thread?

Yes, thank you. How did you ever find it?
There was no yoga mentioned in that Pan-Orthodox Conference document.
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« Reply #90 on: August 21, 2014, 06:15:08 PM »

Are jumping jacks Satanic? I think they are.  Angry
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