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« Reply #180 on: January 02, 2013, 07:27:46 PM »


what defines truth?
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« Reply #181 on: January 02, 2013, 07:49:48 PM »

Do you honestly mean to tell me that you believe there is no difference between the Triune Godhead of Christianity and Allah of Islam?

Worshipping is not about observing ethical behavior or determing the 'purity' (as you define it) of texts. Worship is about discovering Truth and standing in its light and fire.

Decide where Truth is first. The rest will then come.


isn't truth a subjective term?



Exactly. The Truth isn't a subjective term. But opinions are!

you may be right. Truth itself is indeed objective. Opinions however as to what that objective truth is, are subjective. Which means anyone could be right. And anyone could be wrong.
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« Reply #182 on: January 02, 2013, 09:01:34 PM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....
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« Reply #183 on: January 02, 2013, 09:02:22 PM »


Better: Who defines truth?  Wink
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« Reply #184 on: January 02, 2013, 09:05:09 PM »

Truth Himself.
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« Reply #185 on: January 02, 2013, 09:05:53 PM »


No giving Tweety hints!
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« Reply #186 on: January 02, 2013, 09:15:56 PM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity
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« Reply #187 on: January 02, 2013, 09:21:41 PM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Then you aren't Christian.
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« Reply #188 on: January 03, 2013, 03:27:27 AM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Your Faith says your Christian on the Left hand side HuhHuh What do you mean Truth is Not Christianity ?. Is not Christianity the Truth ?
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« Reply #189 on: January 03, 2013, 06:20:59 AM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Then you aren't Christian.

This.
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« Reply #190 on: January 03, 2013, 07:21:43 AM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Your Faith says your Christian on the Left hand side HuhHuh What do you mean Truth is Not Christianity ?. Is not Christianity the Truth ?
I think he means "Christ is the Truth", not "Christianity".
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« Reply #191 on: January 03, 2013, 11:14:02 AM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Your Faith says your Christian on the Left hand side HuhHuh What do you mean Truth is Not Christianity ?. Is not Christianity the Truth ?
I think he means "Christ is the Truth", not "Christianity".

Why play a semantics game?

EDIT: No, It's not. Christianity, and Orthodoxy professes to be the only true Christian faith, is the Truth that Jesus gave. So, it still doesn't work.
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« Reply #192 on: January 03, 2013, 11:15:26 AM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Your Faith says your Christian on the Left hand side HuhHuh What do you mean Truth is Not Christianity ?. Is not Christianity the Truth ?
I think he means "Christ is the Truth", not "Christianity".

Why play a semantics game?
It's not mere semantics. 'Christianity' is not identical to 'Christ'.
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« Reply #193 on: January 03, 2013, 11:35:16 AM »

Muslim say the moon was split in half with the miracle Mohammad performed ? Is that possible ? http://alisina.org/blog/2010/11/30/moon-split-or-islamic-hoax/

This would of been recorded in history for such a phenomenon to happen i:e the earth would of lost its axis tilt and the waters would of flooded some parts of the world then others.

They Claim that the Quran is a scientific book also.

What are all your thoughts on this?
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« Reply #194 on: January 03, 2013, 12:02:55 PM »

Muslim say the moon was split in half with the miracle Mohammad performed ? Is that possible ? http://alisina.org/blog/2010/11/30/moon-split-or-islamic-hoax/

This would of been recorded in history for such a phenomenon to happen i:e the earth would of lost its axis tilt and the waters would of flooded some parts of the world then others.

They Claim that the Quran is a scientific book also.

What are all your thoughts on this?
The Qur'an doesn't say that Muhammad miraculously split the moon. The article doesn't say exactly why or how Muslims came to believe in this claim, which would be analogous perhaps to small 't' tradition, not big 'T' Tradition.

The Qur'an is a scientific book, to the extent that it explains the ultimate origin of the cosmos (the origin being God, of course).
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« Reply #195 on: January 03, 2013, 01:41:34 PM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Your Faith says your Christian on the Left hand side HuhHuh What do you mean Truth is Not Christianity ?. Is not Christianity the Truth ?
I think he means "Christ is the Truth", not "Christianity".

Why play a semantics game?
It's not mere semantics. 'Christianity' is not identical to 'Christ'.

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« Reply #196 on: January 03, 2013, 02:40:43 PM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Your Faith says your Christian on the Left hand side HuhHuh What do you mean Truth is Not Christianity ?. Is not Christianity the Truth ?

Actually Jesus Christ is the Truth.. How we follow him within the confines of the fallen World will always have some flaws.
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« Reply #197 on: January 03, 2013, 05:37:33 PM »

Is it true the Earth has a moon?

Does this change if someone says it does not? Or that it's not really a moon? Or if you cannot see the moon it doesn't exist?

No, there is still a moon.

Amongst all the opinions and rational understandings of the universe, there is one TRUTH. One real thing. Their either is a God, or many, or none. There is either morality or their is none. There is either a pepperoni pizza, or their is none.

Can that Truth be known? Christians would say yes. There is One God. There is an absolute morality.

Under this lense then everything can be viewed. For example, witchcraft: Is it demonic? Ask a wiccan and they'll say no. It's nature, and spirits, and orgies (Wink). BUT if there is ONE Truth, and that Truth is Christianity, then it is not real. Their magick, spirits, and immorality are infact demonic seductions.

So, which lens do you use? Or do you prefer not to offend....

Truth is NOT Christianity

Your Faith says your Christian on the Left hand side HuhHuh What do you mean Truth is Not Christianity ?. Is not Christianity the Truth ?

Actually Jesus Christ is the Truth.. How we follow him within the confines of the fallen World will always have some flaws.

The Truth that is Jesus is contained within his teachings and Church, which is Christianity. There is not real distinction worth arguing here.
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« Reply #198 on: January 03, 2013, 06:24:38 PM »

I suppose it's a question of ecclesiology: do you believe that the Church (whatever flaws she might have) is theanthropic, or no? If she is theanthropic, then she is a truth-telling thing (Chesterton).
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« Reply #199 on: January 03, 2013, 06:34:58 PM »

I suppose it's a question of ecclesiology: do you believe that the Church (whatever flaws she might have) is theanthropic, or no? If she is theanthropic, then she is a truth-telling thing (Chesterton).
Well, 'Christianity' is different from 'the Church'. Wink
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« Reply #200 on: January 03, 2013, 06:53:34 PM »

Muslim say the moon was split in half with the miracle Mohammad performed ? Is that possible ? http://alisina.org/blog/2010/11/30/moon-split-or-islamic-hoax/

This would of been recorded in history for such a phenomenon to happen i:e the earth would of lost its axis tilt and the waters would of flooded some parts of the world then others.

They Claim that the Quran is a scientific book also.

What are all your thoughts on this?
The Qur'an doesn't say that Muhammad miraculously split the moon. The article doesn't say exactly why or how Muslims came to believe in this claim, which would be analogous perhaps to small 't' tradition, not big 'T' Tradition.

The Qur'an is a scientific book, to the extent that it explains the ultimate origin of the cosmos (the origin being God, of course).

Just because it's not in the Koran doesn't mean they don't believe it. A lot of things are in the Hadith and the Sunnah.
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« Reply #201 on: January 03, 2013, 07:03:59 PM »

...I think Christians should really learn from the Muslim's piety....

You mean the piety and forms of devotion that the Muslims jacked from Oriental Orthodox Christians?
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« Reply #202 on: January 03, 2013, 07:11:20 PM »

You have to realize that Muslims didn't forcibly convert as many people as you would like. Christianity was way more effective at spreading with the sword than Islam ever was.
Bull.

Being fair, they did pretty much convert all of western Europe--along with South and Central America--through violence. That's one and a half continents that were converted through force. Islam converted almost the entire Middle East--which is a part of Asia--and about all of Africa. That's like one and a half continents too. They seem about equal in regards to bloodshed and violence.
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« Reply #203 on: January 03, 2013, 07:11:56 PM »

I suppose it's a question of ecclesiology: do you believe that the Church (whatever flaws she might have) is theanthropic, or no? If she is theanthropic, then she is a truth-telling thing (Chesterton).
Well, 'Christianity' is different from 'the Church'. Wink

Depends on what you consider Christianity. If you think anything that calls itself Christian is part of Christianity, then yes. If you think there is only one Christianity and the rest is heresy... then no.
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« Reply #204 on: January 03, 2013, 07:12:42 PM »

You have to realize that Muslims didn't forcibly convert as many people as you would like. Christianity was way more effective at spreading with the sword than Islam ever was.
Bull.

Being fair, they did pretty much convert all of western Europe--along with South and Central America--through violence. That's one and a half continents that were converted through force. Islam converted almost the entire Middle East--which is a part of Asia--and about all of Africa. That's like one and a half continents too. They seem about equal in regards to bloodshed and violence.

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« Reply #205 on: January 03, 2013, 07:15:46 PM »

What's with people only converting to the Abrahamic religions? Why not the cool, developed intelligent eastern religions like Buddhism? A religion that isn't outdated...
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« Reply #206 on: January 03, 2013, 07:20:05 PM »

What's with people only converting to the Abrahamic religions? Why not the cool, developed intelligent eastern religions like Buddhism? A religion that isn't outdated...
I think we've had several topics about such possible conversions.
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« Reply #207 on: January 03, 2013, 07:20:57 PM »

What's with people only converting to the Abrahamic religions? Why not the cool, developed intelligent eastern religions like Buddhism? A religion that isn't outdated...

... until you hear monks on youtube talking about people flying as if it's real  Smiley
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« Reply #208 on: January 03, 2013, 07:27:27 PM »

What's with people only converting to the Abrahamic religions? Why not the cool, developed intelligent eastern religions like Buddhism? A religion that isn't outdated...

Why not a New Age religion that enjoys orgies. Everyone love orgies!
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« Reply #209 on: January 03, 2013, 07:29:05 PM »

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what defines truth?

Its the opposite of a fictional lie.

For example, science has a "criteria" of things that determine the truth.
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« Reply #210 on: January 03, 2013, 07:33:12 PM »

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« Reply #211 on: January 03, 2013, 08:00:31 PM »

What's with people only converting to the Abrahamic religions? Why not the cool, developed intelligent eastern religions like Buddhism? A religion that isn't outdated...

Buddhism is 500 years older than Christianity so how would it not be 'outdated' (assuming religions have sell by dates) first? Besides, the core of Buddhism, which is living a wholesome life and avoiding doing things which cause painful/unwholesome/destructive reactions is practicable by anyone of any religion.
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