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Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« on: November 17, 2011, 04:44:40 PM »
http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2011-11/catholics-launch-shelter-anglicans-jan-1
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A new Roman Catholic structure for Anglican converts in the United States will be formally launched on January 1, 2012. The structure, technically called an ordinariate, will function like a non-geographic diocese. Converting congregations will be allowed to retain certain Anglican liturgical and ecclesiastical traditions, such as married priests. Married priests cannot become bishops, however.

Cf. also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_ordinariate
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 04:57:02 PM »
Btw, I just saw this claim:
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The Anglican Communion is history. In a period of eight years, there were not be a single Anglican Practicing their faith. This is because the head of the Catholic Personal Ordinariate of England is getting 300 requests per day to join the Ordinariate, that equals 100,000 per year. That is 800,000 in eight years. Bye-bye Anglicanism.
http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-it-matters-that-kate-middleton-can.html
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 05:04:52 PM »
Quote from: christiancentury.org
Converting congregations will be allowed to retain certain Anglican liturgical and ecclesiastical traditions, such as married priests. Married priests cannot become bishops, however.

I wonder how long that will last.

As anyone who is familiar with the difficulties Ukrainian Catholic Clergy in the US faced with this very issue at the turn of the last century, I wonder how many generations it will take before the Vatican goes back on its promises for this.

Although clergy in Ukraine were allowed to marry, once they started to immigrate here, the Vatican made it very tough for Ukrainian Catholics to practice their faith in the Byzantine rite, and to allow married men to be ordained.

I really wonder how long this will be allowed...

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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 05:12:30 PM »
Btw, I just saw this claim:
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The Anglican Communion is history. In a period of eight years, there were not be a single Anglican Practicing their faith. This is because the head of the Catholic Personal Ordinariate of England is getting 300 requests per day to join the Ordinariate, that equals 100,000 per year. That is 800,000 in eight years. Bye-bye Anglicanism.
http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-it-matters-that-kate-middleton-can.html

"Left footer" in the context of the quote is from soccer, where a shot from a left foot is unexpected and, if done well, a goal.

Its use has nothing to do with the linked phrase. 
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 05:21:42 PM »
Quote from: christiancentury.org
Converting congregations will be allowed to retain certain Anglican liturgical and ecclesiastical traditions, such as married priests. Married priests cannot become bishops, however.

I wonder how long that will last.

As anyone who is familiar with the difficulties Ukrainian Catholic Clergy in the US faced with this very issue at the turn of the last century, I wonder how many generations it will take before the Vatican goes back on its promises for this.

Although clergy in Ukraine were allowed to marry, once they started to immigrate here, the Vatican made it very tough for Ukrainian Catholics to practice their faith in the Byzantine rite, and to allow married men to be ordained.

I really wonder how long this will be allowed...



As long as the current pope is the pope, at the least. He's taken a very hands-on approach with the Ordinariate, very much sheltering it under his wing.
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 05:26:48 PM »
Btw, I just saw this claim:
Quote
The Anglican Communion is history. In a period of eight years, there were not be a single Anglican Practicing their faith. This is because the head of the Catholic Personal Ordinariate of England is getting 300 requests per day to join the Ordinariate, that equals 100,000 per year. That is 800,000 in eight years. Bye-bye Anglicanism.
http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-it-matters-that-kate-middleton-can.html

"Left footer" in the context of the quote is from soccer, where a shot from a left foot is unexpected and, if done well, a goal.

Its use has nothing to do with the linked phrase. 
You lost me.
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 05:29:52 PM »
Quote from: christiancentury.org
Converting congregations will be allowed to retain certain Anglican liturgical and ecclesiastical traditions, such as married priests. Married priests cannot become bishops, however.

I wonder how long that will last.

As anyone who is familiar with the difficulties Ukrainian Catholic Clergy in the US faced with this very issue at the turn of the last century, I wonder how many generations it will take before the Vatican goes back on its promises for this.

Although clergy in Ukraine were allowed to marry, once they started to immigrate here, the Vatican made it very tough for Ukrainian Catholics to practice their faith in the Byzantine rite, and to allow married men to be ordained.

I really wonder how long this will be allowed...



As long as the current pope is the pope, at the least. He's taken a very hands-on approach with the Ordinariate, very much sheltering it under his wing.
Ah, despite claims to the contrary, supreme pontiffs do contradict each other.  This one is going to come to a head rather quickly, as already they have more married Latin priests than those of the Eastern rites in the US.  The mandatory celibacy is going to appear out of place.
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 05:33:55 PM »
Btw, I just saw this claim:
Quote
The Anglican Communion is history. In a period of eight years, there were not be a single Anglican Practicing their faith. This is because the head of the Catholic Personal Ordinariate of England is getting 300 requests per day to join the Ordinariate, that equals 100,000 per year. That is 800,000 in eight years. Bye-bye Anglicanism.
http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-it-matters-that-kate-middleton-can.html
As much as I wish this were true, it's pretty hard to swallow.
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 05:41:58 PM »
Quote from: christiancentury.org
Converting congregations will be allowed to retain certain Anglican liturgical and ecclesiastical traditions, such as married priests. Married priests cannot become bishops, however.

I wonder how long that will last.

As anyone who is familiar with the difficulties Ukrainian Catholic Clergy in the US faced with this very issue at the turn of the last century, I wonder how many generations it will take before the Vatican goes back on its promises for this.

Although clergy in Ukraine were allowed to marry, once they started to immigrate here, the Vatican made it very tough for Ukrainian Catholics to practice their faith in the Byzantine rite, and to allow married men to be ordained.

I really wonder how long this will be allowed...



As long as the current pope is the pope, at the least. He's taken a very hands-on approach with the Ordinariate, very much sheltering it under his wing.
Ah, despite claims to the contrary, supreme pontiffs do contradict each other.  This one is going to come to a head rather quickly, as already they have more married Latin priests than those of the Eastern rites in the US.  The mandatory celibacy is going to appear out of place.

Hence the word "current".

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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2011, 05:44:22 PM »
Btw, I just saw this claim:
Quote
The Anglican Communion is history. In a period of eight years, there were not be a single Anglican Practicing their faith. This is because the head of the Catholic Personal Ordinariate of England is getting 300 requests per day to join the Ordinariate, that equals 100,000 per year. That is 800,000 in eight years. Bye-bye Anglicanism.
http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-it-matters-that-kate-middleton-can.html

"Left footer" in the context of the quote is from soccer, where a shot from a left foot is unexpected and, if done well, a goal.

Its use has nothing to do with the linked phrase. 
You lost me.


I'm referring to this little tidbit:

Quote
“Left-footer” is a bizarre anti-Catholic slur, if you're not familiar.  Here's another of the Telegraph comments:
And if the child is secretly brought up as a catholic (mothers usually put their offspring to bed and, if religious, say goodnight prayers with them) and upon ascending the throne feels his/her allegiance is to Rome what might happen next?

It just annoyed me.  It's like when a DC Councilmember was forced to resign about ten years ago because he (correctly) used the word "niggardly."  People will find offense in any place they can if they want to.
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2011, 05:58:50 PM »
Btw, I just saw this claim:
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The Anglican Communion is history. In a period of eight years, there were not be a single Anglican Practicing their faith. This is because the head of the Catholic Personal Ordinariate of England is getting 300 requests per day to join the Ordinariate, that equals 100,000 per year. That is 800,000 in eight years. Bye-bye Anglicanism.
http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-it-matters-that-kate-middleton-can.html

"Left footer" in the context of the quote is from soccer, where a shot from a left foot is unexpected and, if done well, a goal.

Its use has nothing to do with the linked phrase. 
You lost me.


I'm referring to this little tidbit:

Quote
“Left-footer” is a bizarre anti-Catholic slur, if you're not familiar.  Here's another of the Telegraph comments:
And if the child is secretly brought up as a catholic (mothers usually put their offspring to bed and, if religious, say goodnight prayers with them) and upon ascending the throne feels his/her allegiance is to Rome what might happen next?

It just annoyed me.  It's like when a DC Councilmember was forced to resign about ten years ago because he (correctly) used the word "niggardly."  People will find offense in any place they can if they want to.

Ah, so I'm not crazy. At least on this point.
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2011, 06:01:42 PM »
Quote from: christiancentury.org
Converting congregations will be allowed to retain certain Anglican liturgical and ecclesiastical traditions, such as married priests. Married priests cannot become bishops, however.

I wonder how long that will last.

As anyone who is familiar with the difficulties Ukrainian Catholic Clergy in the US faced with this very issue at the turn of the last century, I wonder how many generations it will take before the Vatican goes back on its promises for this.

Although clergy in Ukraine were allowed to marry, once they started to immigrate here, the Vatican made it very tough for Ukrainian Catholics to practice their faith in the Byzantine rite, and to allow married men to be ordained.

I really wonder how long this will be allowed...



As long as the current pope is the pope, at the least. He's taken a very hands-on approach with the Ordinariate, very much sheltering it under his wing.
Ah, despite claims to the contrary, supreme pontiffs do contradict each other.  This one is going to come to a head rather quickly, as already they have more married Latin priests than those of the Eastern rites in the US.  The mandatory celibacy is going to appear out of place.

Hence the word "current".
yes, but as we say "only God is immortal."  Not that I wish the current sovereign of the Vatican any ill will. Far from, many years! I've been a Cardinal Ratzinger Fan Club member from way back, but this simmering issue of the mandatory celibacy isn't going to go away with him.
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2011, 11:12:56 PM »
Btw, I just saw this claim:
Quote
The Anglican Communion is history. In a period of eight years, there were not be a single Anglican Practicing their faith. This is because the head of the Catholic Personal Ordinariate of England is getting 300 requests per day to join the Ordinariate, that equals 100,000 per year. That is 800,000 in eight years. Bye-bye Anglicanism.
http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-it-matters-that-kate-middleton-can.html
300 requests per day to join the Ordinariate is, if true, an astonishing figure, though it is perhaps presumptuous to extrapolate it into an eight year long steady state.

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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2011, 11:14:13 PM »
I know that this is being rolled out here in the US starting December 1, but it got its "test-run" in England. Does anyone know of the success it has had there?
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Re: Vatican to Launch Anglican Ordinariate Structure
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2011, 11:17:47 PM »
I know that this is being rolled out here in the US starting December 1, but it got its "test-run" in England. Does anyone know of the success it has had there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_ordinariate#Ordinariate_for_England_and_Wales