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Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« on: November 17, 2011, 12:12:40 AM »
One of my favorite pieces from Cappella Romana is "Imperial Acclamations for Constantine Palaiologos", I listened to it while standing in Hagia Sophia and it nearly brought me to tears.

I've been trying to listen and figure out what they are saying in Greek, and then trying to translate it into English. This is what I've gotten so far:

Χωρα τα ετη τον Βασιλεον.
Κωνσταντινου του εχει λει στρατου Βασιλεος και λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων του παρε λει ο μου χωρα τα ετη.
Κύριε σώσον του Βασιλις.
Και πα κουσον ημων.
Ναι αγιε.
Ο θεος νυμφος

It probably isn't entirely correct, and doesn't make a lot of sense when you translate it, can anyone help?

http://youtu.be/rmE8zGS2N2g

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 12:15:58 AM »
There's always this.

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 12:17:58 AM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratoros tou Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

Will watch the video after work and see if I can help a bit more. I'm sure someone more qualified will get to it before me, though.

Hope this helps.

PS: how's your translation going?
« Last Edit: November 17, 2011, 12:43:20 AM by akimori makoto »
The Episcopallian road is easy and wide, for many go through it to find destruction. lol sorry channeling Isa.

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 12:21:29 AM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratorous to Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

Will watch the video after work and see if I can help a bit more. I'm sure someone more qualified will get to it before me, though.

Hope this helps.

PS: how's your translation going?

Thanks!
I was using Google Translate to translate it so pretty fast, but not always accurate (like it translates Kyrie Soson as Mr. Soson)

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 12:27:56 AM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratorous to Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

Will watch the video after work and see if I can help a bit more. I'm sure someone more qualified will get to it before me, though.

Hope this helps.

PS: how's your translation going?

Thanks!
I was using Google Translate to translate it so pretty fast, but not always accurate (like it translates Kyrie Soson as Mr. Soson)

Haha, at least you know enough to catch such things. Good luck!
« Last Edit: November 17, 2011, 12:28:13 AM by akimori makoto »
The Episcopallian road is easy and wide, for many go through it to find destruction. lol sorry channeling Isa.

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 12:30:35 AM »
One of my favorite pieces from Cappella Romana is "Imperial Acclamations for Constantine Palaiologos", I listened to it while standing in Hagia Sophia and it nearly brought me to tears.

Do you realize that he died in communion with the Latins, having sold out Orthodoxy for political help that never came?

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 12:31:25 AM »
So this has what to do with him listening to a piece of music?  ???

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 12:47:12 AM »
One of my favorite pieces from Cappella Romana is "Imperial Acclamations for Constantine Palaiologos", I listened to it while standing in Hagia Sophia and it nearly brought me to tears.

Do you realize that he died in communion with the Latins, having sold out Orthodoxy for political help that never came?

Yeah I do, it isn't that its about him specifically, but it is part of their album on the Fall of Constantinople. Its just a beautifully sung piece.

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 12:49:04 AM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratorous to Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

Will watch the video after work and see if I can help a bit more. I'm sure someone more qualified will get to it before me, though.

Hope this helps.

PS: how's your translation going?

Thanks!
I was using Google Translate to translate it so pretty fast, but not always accurate (like it translates Kyrie Soson as Mr. Soson)

Haha, at least you know enough to catch such things. Good luck!
That and "kyrie soson tous evsevous" "Lord save the pious"

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 12:54:39 PM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratorous to Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

Will watch the video after work and see if I can help a bit more. I'm sure someone more qualified will get to it before me, though.

Hope this helps.

PS: how's your translation going?

Thanks!
I was using Google Translate to translate it so pretty fast, but not always accurate (like it translates Kyrie Soson as Mr. Soson)

Haha, at least you know enough to catch such things. Good luck!
That and "kyrie soson tous evsevous" "Lord save the pious"

Ah yes, thank you!

After living in Greece for 3 months and with only 2 semesters of Greek, I'm still able to pick out some words, but it has to be really slow like Byzantine Chant, I can't pick it up in conversation. (it also helps that my current teacher is also Greek and occasionally speaks either Greek or Arabic to us)

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2011, 01:48:53 PM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratoros tou Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

Actually, Greeks pronounce αι as "e" (like in "soufflé"), and ου as "oo" (like in "taboo"). "Aftokratoroos to Romeon, ke ep'akooson imon."

I am not Greek either, but I communicate with real Greeks every once in a while, and that's what they say. :)
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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2011, 07:43:43 PM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratoros tou Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

[...]Greeks pronounce αι as "e" (like in "soufflé"), and ου as "oo" (like in "taboo").[...]

Indeed, indeed, but I was not making an attempt at transliteration.

I would've typed in Greek text except that Her Majesty does not consider that I require multiple language input capability for the purposes of my employment, hah.
The Episcopallian road is easy and wide, for many go through it to find destruction. lol sorry channeling Isa.

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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2011, 08:44:42 PM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratorous to Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

Will watch the video after work and see if I can help a bit more. I'm sure someone more qualified will get to it before me, though.

Hope this helps.

PS: how's your translation going?

Thanks!
I was using Google Translate to translate it so pretty fast, but not always accurate (like it translates Kyrie Soson as Mr. Soson)

Haha, at least you know enough to catch such things. Good luck!
That and "kyrie soson tous evsevous" "Lord save the pious"

Ah yes, thank you!

After living in Greece for 3 months and with only 2 semesters of Greek, I'm still able to pick out some words, but it has to be really slow like Byzantine Chant, I can't pick it up in conversation. (it also helps that my current teacher is also Greek and occasionally speaks either Greek or Arabic to us)
Arabic?
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Re: Need help translating "Imperial Acclamations"
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2011, 09:41:27 PM »
I am not really qualified to assist, but ...

"λα το κρατορους το Ρωμαιων" surely should read "aftokratorous to Romaion" ("ruler/autocrat of the Romans"); and
"Και πα κουσον ημων" surely should read "kai ep'akouson imon" ("and hear us/hearken unto us").

Will watch the video after work and see if I can help a bit more. I'm sure someone more qualified will get to it before me, though.

Hope this helps.

PS: how's your translation going?

Thanks!
I was using Google Translate to translate it so pretty fast, but not always accurate (like it translates Kyrie Soson as Mr. Soson)

Haha, at least you know enough to catch such things. Good luck!
That and "kyrie soson tous evsevous" "Lord save the pious"

Ah yes, thank you!

After living in Greece for 3 months and with only 2 semesters of Greek, I'm still able to pick out some words, but it has to be really slow like Byzantine Chant, I can't pick it up in conversation. (it also helps that my current teacher is also Greek and occasionally speaks either Greek or Arabic to us)
Arabic?

He lived in UAE for a few years...