Only if you are in the ecclesial community that derives its unity and being from submission to the sovereign of the Vatican, in which case you are not in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church that exists as the Body of Christ in union with Him as her head.Why do you all have such a hard to understanding that the Pope as our head does not mean that Christ is not our head as well?
We believe what our eyes see, and use common sense. That is of course reaffirmed, when we hear the apologists for the Vatican prattle on about how we Orthodox need "the head." Well, we have our Head screwed on right:you have been introduced to Him on this thread already.
so you all must be talking about something else, and preaching another gospel. No Council was ever convened under your "visible head." Just the under, by, through and for the Head of the Church.
St. Peter and his successors derive their authority from Christ.
That they do.
Without Christ there would be no Pope
or Church for that matter.
Patriarchs and other bishops, priests, deacons were visible and seen at the Ecumenical Councils, where the Church was visible and seen, but your "visible head" was never seen at one.
The Pope's authority is through and because of Christ, not in opposition to Christ.
Then he should not have set himself up in opposition to Christ and His Church
...If anyone says that blessed Peter the apostle was not appointed by Christ the lord as prince of all the apostles and visible head of the whole Church militant; or that it was a primacy of honor only and not one of true and proper jurisdiction that he directly and immediately received from our lord Jesus Christ himself: let him be anathema...
...If anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema...
...If anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema...
...we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.
So then, should anyone, which God forbid, have the temerity to reject this definition of ours: let him be anathema.
Well, all the bishops in the diptychs of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church rejected, and reject, this definition of his. So either they are under anathema, or your supreme pontiff lost his head.
When Pope Theodoros II of Alexandria and Patriarch Ignatius IV of Antioch (and the rest of the bishops) are accepted by the Vatican as the equal of Pope Benedict XVI of Rome (assuming, for sake of argument, that he was in the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church), then Orthodox Rome can rise again to its place in the diptychs, and the claim made that its Pope's authority is through and because of Christ, not in opposition to Christ. Not until.
As for your head
That's not him:what I have posted is a "picture" of him. He is the head of your ecclesial community, who, and whose predecessors, have created your ecclesial community in the likeness of the office, supreme pontiff, they received from the Roman emperors.
Christ was never a Roman emperor.
No, He is the King of Kings.
And the sole High Priest. He never was a supreme pontiff, a pontifex maximus.
BENEDICTVS XVI PONT[IFEX] MAX[IMVS] ANNO DOMINI MMV PONT[IFICATVS]
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's; and unto God that which is God's
Pictures are not that which they represent.Then why is an icon of Christ cited as proof that Christ is the visible head of the Church? An Icon is not Christ.
Then your "visible" head is of limited use or value, as very, very few of his followers, until the last two centuries, ever laid eyes on him. And no one ever saw him at an Ecumenical Council.
The Orthodox seeing their local bishop has been the rule, rather than the exception.
They are just that, a representation of sorts, and it is quite a question to answer how much more "visibile" your "visible head" was than Christ, given that at least until two centuries ago, or after the invention of printing in the days of the council of Florence, very few of his followers ever laid eyes on him, and had no idea what he looked like if they had glanced on him.What's your point?
That there is none to your having a "visible head," who was never seen at an Ecumenical Council, never seen as legitimizing nor making Ecumenical one, nor ever seen as the head above all bishops.
As Pope St. Leo the Great said:"everything of Him that was visible has passed into the sacraments."Yes..."everything of Him that was visible....." Christ is no longer visible. He has ascended. Though he is really and truly present in the Eucharist He is hidden by the sacramental veil. We cannot see Him as He really is.
He has ascended, and left His Body, the Church.
He is really and truly present in her episcopate, into which He has passed:"He who receives you receives Me
." They are not hidden, but manifest Him.
That is what makes Ecumenical Councils Ecumenical: The visible Body of Christ with the antibodies of Orthodoxy repelling heresy.