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Similarities of Coptic and Jewish clerical headgear
« on: November 15, 2011, 09:28:40 PM »
I noticed something when I was reading a news story this evening. The hat pictured below, worn by Sephardi Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar, in my opinion bears resemblance to the style of headgear I've seen in pictures of Coptic Orthodox clergy. (Picture from this article)

Is that a coincidence? Are these types of miters based on the style people were wearing in the Middle East and North Africa a long time ago? Who had them first, does anyone know- Christians or Jews?

I just find this interesting. Thanks.   :)

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Re: Similarities of Coptic and Jewish clerical headgear
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2011, 07:02:06 AM »
Its Ottoman headgear. Everyone wore it. Its notionally a hat with a turban wrapped round it.
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Re: Similarities of Coptic and Jewish clerical headgear
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 09:38:37 AM »
That's a very cool find, Biro!

Fr. Peter - according to FatherGiryus's post, it may go back much further.

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Josephus was the first to describe bishops as wearing a turban, which I think appears from the description to be very much like the hat worn by Coptic bishops.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,37661.msg609448.html#msg609448

Just thought it would be of interest.
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Re: Similarities of Coptic and Jewish clerical headgear
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2011, 09:49:52 AM »
Thank you very much. Glad to know.  :angel:
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Re: Similarities of Coptic and Jewish clerical headgear
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 09:52:13 AM »
What word would Josephus have used though?

And how would we know what he meant?

As mentioned in the linked thread, it is very hard to get accurate information about headgear in the distant past and all communities appear to have undergone periods of very great transformation.
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Re: Similarities of Coptic and Jewish clerical headgear
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2011, 10:03:23 AM »
What word would Josephus have used though?

And how would we know what he meant?

As mentioned in the linked thread, it is very hard to get accurate information about headgear in the distant past and all communities appear to have undergone periods of very great transformation.

Hey, I thought we never changed  ;D

I'd always just assumed we inherited the turban from the Arabs and the Greeks adopted theirs from the Ottoman Fez. So, it was interesting to read about the wearing of turbans going back before the Islamic Conquest.
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Re: Similarities of Coptic and Jewish clerical headgear
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2011, 10:57:14 PM »
if anything priests wear similar hats...it's a modified turban, just smaller and more edgier...i'm sure there was a time when you couldn't tell the difference long ago.
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