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Libraries vs. Amazon
« on: July 23, 2018, 11:56:11 AM »
Librarians are in uproar after an article in Forbes magazine proposed replacing all public libraries in the US with Amazon bookstores.

Panos Mourdoukoutas, a professor of economics at LIU Post in New York, wrote for Forbes that libraries “don’t have the same value they used to” and should be replaced permanently by Amazon book shops.


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jul/23/twaddle-librarians-respond-to-suggestion-amazon-should-replace-libraries?
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2018, 12:17:16 PM »
Fortunately, I do not think any library will be following that ridiculous idea.

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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2018, 12:32:38 PM »
Fortunately, I do not think any library will be following that ridiculous idea.

The authorities seem to be rather sold on it, though, considering library funding (or lack thereof).
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2018, 01:17:55 PM »
Yikes.  No that's a terrible idea.  I still have a love-hate relationship with mine, but it should definitely stick around.
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 02:56:06 PM »
Maybe one computer in each public library could be reserved for those who wish to place Amazon orders and the company could send a commission fee on each purchase to the library in question.

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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2018, 03:00:40 PM »
Yikes.  No that's a terrible idea.  I still have a love-hate relationship with mine, but it should definitely stick around.

I grew up without libraries, and any book I wanted to read I had to buy or get someone else to buy it for me. I didn't even know how much I was missing out on (all the other things, not just the books) until I moved to the UK and gained access to one. Also, librarians are awesome creatures - the dragons of the mundane world. Don't tick them off. :laugh:
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2018, 06:06:11 PM »
Yikes.  No that's a terrible idea.  I still have a love-hate relationship with mine, but it should definitely stick around.

I grew up without libraries, and any book I wanted to read I had to buy or get someone else to buy it for me. I didn't even know how much I was missing out on (all the other things, not just the books) until I moved to the UK and gained access to one. Also, librarians are awesome creatures - the dragons of the mundane world. Don't tick them off. :laugh:
I know; I've crossed one or two.  :o

The library is sacred in my family (both nuclear and extended).  I just am really, really bad at returning things in a timely manner.  I might as well buy the books by the time they're done fining me.   :-[ ;D
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2018, 06:23:14 PM »
Yikes.  No that's a terrible idea.  I still have a love-hate relationship with mine, but it should definitely stick around.

I grew up without libraries, and any book I wanted to read I had to buy or get someone else to buy it for me. I didn't even know how much I was missing out on (all the other things, not just the books) until I moved to the UK and gained access to one. Also, librarians are awesome creatures - the dragons of the mundane world. Don't tick them off. :laugh:
I know; I've crossed one or two.  :o

The library is sacred in my family (both nuclear and extended).
Nuclear families are the primary energy source for libraries.
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2018, 06:33:48 PM »
Nuclear families are the primary energy source for libraries.
:laugh:  True.  Good way to put it.
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2018, 07:03:49 PM »
The library is sacred in my family (both nuclear and extended).  I just am really, really bad at returning things in a timely manner.  I might as well buy the books by the time they're done fining me.   :-[ ;D

At my library, the standard checkout period is three weeks. Then you can renew seven more times. So you can keep something for practically six months before any fining kicks in (unless you didn't renew in time, in which case you may get smacked with a couple of days' worth - £0.70/day for us, and only adult accounts). And I still manage to rack them up. Thank goodness fines are capped at £7 per item, or I'd have bought out the place by now.
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2018, 07:39:22 PM »
The library is sacred in my family (both nuclear and extended).  I just am really, really bad at returning things in a timely manner.  I might as well buy the books by the time they're done fining me.   :-[ ;D

At my library, the standard checkout period is three weeks. Then you can renew seven more times. So you can keep something for practically six months before any fining kicks in (unless you didn't renew in time, in which case you may get smacked with a couple of days' worth - £0.70/day for us, and only adult accounts). And I still manage to rack them up. Thank goodness fines are capped at £7 per item, or I'd have bought out the place by now.

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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2018, 07:39:36 PM »
The library is sacred in my family (both nuclear and extended).  I just am really, really bad at returning things in a timely manner.  I might as well buy the books by the time they're done fining me.   :-[ ;D

At my library, the standard checkout period is three weeks. Then you can renew seven more times. So you can keep something for practically six months before any fining kicks in (unless you didn't renew in time, in which case you may get smacked with a couple of days' worth - £0.70/day for us, and only adult accounts). And I still manage to rack them up. Thank goodness fines are capped at £7 per item, or I'd have bought out the place by now.
Wow!!  Nope: 6 weeks max, and if it gets over $10 total, they'll lock your account until you pay it down.  Or they used to.  At this point I just pay whenever they say I have a balance.
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2018, 09:27:44 PM »
The library is sacred in my family (both nuclear and extended).  I just am really, really bad at returning things in a timely manner.  I might as well buy the books by the time they're done fining me.   :-[ ;D

At my library, the standard checkout period is three weeks. Then you can renew seven more times. So you can keep something for practically six months before any fining kicks in (unless you didn't renew in time, in which case you may get smacked with a couple of days' worth - £0.70/day for us, and only adult accounts). And I still manage to rack them up. Thank goodness fines are capped at £7 per item, or I'd have bought out the place by now.

Seven times?!?!
In some places in America, it's eight times.
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2018, 09:41:09 PM »
I loath using physical books now.  I much prefer ebooks even to the point of dreading reading a physical one.  Whoever invented the book spine should killed by a thousand paper cuts.

Thankfully, many public libraries can loan ebooks too.
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I loath using physical books now.  I much prefer ebooks even to the point of dreading reading a physical one.  Whoever invented the book spine should killed by a thousand paper cuts.

Thankfully, many public libraries can loan ebooks too.

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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2018, 11:10:52 PM »
My local library had kids activities, story time, arts/crafts, a bunch of adult things. The one thing i see alot less of is books.

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2018, 01:13:26 AM »
That makes sense. As 'physical' books become less relevant they'll need to be given less space, to make room for other tools for learning and interacting.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2018, 01:26:22 AM »
I loath using physical books now.  I much prefer ebooks even to the point of dreading reading a physical one.  Whoever invented the book spine should killed by a thousand paper cuts.

Thankfully, many public libraries can loan ebooks too.

E-books are the devil.  Smell my paper and hear the glory of my spine.

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2018, 02:09:18 AM »
I loath using physical books now.  I much prefer ebooks even to the point of dreading reading a physical one.  Whoever invented the book spine should killed by a thousand paper cuts.

Thankfully, many public libraries can loan ebooks too.

E-books are the devil.  Smell my paper and hear the glory of my spine.

Behind me satan! Audiobooks is how I get through most books nowadays.

Even worse.
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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2018, 03:57:49 AM »
I loath using physical books now.  I much prefer ebooks even to the point of dreading reading a physical one.  Whoever invented the book spine should killed by a thousand paper cuts.

Thankfully, many public libraries can loan ebooks too.

E-books are the devil.  Smell my paper and hear the glory of my spine.

Behind me satan! Audiobooks is how I get through most books nowadays.

Hopefully using Overdrive and your library card. ;)
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2018, 04:18:23 AM »
I loath using physical books now.  I much prefer ebooks even to the point of dreading reading a physical one.  Whoever invented the book spine should killed by a thousand paper cuts.

Thankfully, many public libraries can loan ebooks too.

E-books are the devil.  Smell my paper and hear the glory of my spine.

Behind me satan! Audiobooks is how I get through most books nowadays.

Hopefully using Overdrive and your library card. ;)

Audible  ;)

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Re: Libraries vs. Amazon
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2018, 05:16:37 AM »
I loath using physical books now.  I much prefer ebooks even to the point of dreading reading a physical one.  Whoever invented the book spine should killed by a thousand paper cuts.

Thankfully, many public libraries can loan ebooks too.

E-books are the devil.  Smell my paper and hear the glory of my spine.

Behind me satan! Audiobooks is how I get through most books nowadays.

Hopefully using Overdrive and your library card. ;)

Audible  ;)

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