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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_PopesIf these "Prophecies" have come true, then that would mean the next pope will be the last... If Peter Turkson is elected pope, would that warrant a fulfillment of the prophecy?
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 12:09:57 AM » |
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I'm not sure why Peter Cardinal Turkson is being singled out specifically--he is one papabile among many. In case, it is impossible to say whether or not the prophecy is authentic--even assuming the prophecy is authentic, God is certainly capable of changing the future. |
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2011, 12:47:19 AM » |
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It's funny, there is this nutty fundamentalist author who uses this prophecy to say Rowan Williams will be Peter II because he sligtly resembles the icon of St. Peter at Saint Katherine's monastery on Mt. Sinai.
The other Popes in the prophecy are referred to by their regnal names. Whoever get's elected, I seriously doubt he'd style himself Peter II, the idea is kind of taboo in the Vatican AFAIK.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 07:51:29 AM » |
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Exactly. No one else is allowed to adopt the name Peter after ordination as Pope. It'd have to be something else. Sorry.  The 'last' Pope, whomever that is, will be named something else. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 08:17:31 AM » |
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Exactly. No one else is allowed to adopt the name Peter after ordination as Pope. It'd have to be something else. Sorry. The 'last' Pope, whomever that is, will be named something else. Care to cite the canon or dogmatic constitution on that one? After he accepts his election, he can take any name he wants (even if he was a layman: the Vatican has never sorted out the transmission of the "manus" something of a problem in view of this in LG But when either the Roman Pontiff or the Body of Bishops together with him defines a judgment, they pronounce it in accordance with Revelation itself, which all are obliged to abide by and be in conformity with, that is, the Revelation which as written or orally handed down is transmitted in its entirety through the legitimate succession of bishops and especially in care of the Roman Pontiff himself, and which under the guiding light of the Spirit of truth is religiously preserved and faithfully expounded in the Church. If the legitimate succession of pontiffs transmits Revelation, then the lack of an official list of said succession, and the revisions to the ones usually in use, are a problem. Anyway, we had a thread here on a pope elected, who changed the rules of succession, and then died before his consecration as a bishop). |
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 10:01:52 AM » |
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For me, the provenance is just too questionable; and listing a last Pope is too much like "picking a date" of the Second Coming. IIRC, I heard a rather thorough debunking of these prophecies on EWTN on one of the call-in programs within the last six months. I couldn't find it, but there is this brief comment: http://www.ewtn.com/JohnPaul2/_mourning/forum/vq_detail.asp?ID=435255&pgnu=2For me, the alleged Papal Prophecies of St. Malachy are just too "Coast to Coast A.M." Sorry. |
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 12:07:13 PM » |
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oh, the end of the world again.  probably the antichrist will come from a country with a large population and a great movie industry. maybe the mayan prophecies are right and it's 2012 (great movie by the way!) maybe the pope is the antichrist (i met people who actually believe this!!??)  or maybe we can calm down and busy ourselves with being more like Jesus Christ so when it actually happens, we will be ready.  edit: just to make it crystal clear - the pope is not / will not be the antichrist, the key to the end of the world or anything like that. he is / will be a man with a lot of responsibility who needs our prayers. |
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 12:33:52 PM » |
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Of this folly George MacDonald has written well. “Do those,” he asks, “who say, Lo here or lo there are the signs of his coming, think to be too keen for him and spy his approach? When he tells them to watch lest he find them neglecting their work, they stare this way and that, and watch lest he should succeed in coming like a thief! Obedience is the one key of life.” - C.S. Lewis, The World’s Last Night
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 05:45:33 PM » |
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For me, the provenance is just too questionable; and listing a last Pope is too much like "picking a date" of the Second Coming. IIRC, I heard a rather thorough debunking of these prophecies on EWTN on one of the call-in programs within the last six months. I couldn't find it, but there is this brief comment: http://www.ewtn.com/JohnPaul2/_mourning/forum/vq_detail.asp?ID=435255&pgnu=2For me, the alleged Papal Prophecies of St. Malachy are just too "Coast to Coast A.M." Sorry. Agreed. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2011, 05:53:48 PM » |
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who is that in your avatar? I want to say Francis Turretin, but I could be wrong about that.  |
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2011, 11:21:09 PM » |
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who is that in your avatar? I want to say Francis Turretin, but I could be wrong about that. Arcengelo Corelli. Notice the violin. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2011, 11:27:58 PM » |
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I love Corelli.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 02:06:00 PM » |
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I find the whole prophesy very interesting and I do read about it from time to time. However, I did find myself wondering that if the prophesy was true and after Peter II came, maybe there are no more popes because they'd realise their error and come back to Orthodoxy which, the office of the Pope, as it is understood now, would vanish.  PP |
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